Marijuana Mental Addiction

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim knows most of DF sneers at the concept of marijuana addiction, and Swim did search and found nothing but a 3 year old thread relating to it.

Swim is mentally addicted to marijuana. Hate Swim if you want. Swim has been smoking every day for at least 5-6 months. Swim started over a year ago at about once a month. He quickly picked up it more and more often, having a pothead roomate.

Swim has ZERO physical problems from the marijuana. He coughs a little, but that's it. Swim is just very unhappy knowing he can not stop himself smoking every single night, at least. He has never smoked more than 3 times a day, but finds smoking more than twice a day to be pointless. He smokes average regs, nothing special too. Tastes and smells bad but does the job.

Swim's addiction happened this way: He was VERY big on tramadol for a few months. He was afraid of getting physically addicted to it, or one of the other opiates and benzos he consumes on a weekly basis. He was starting to use opiates every other day and stopped, forcing himself to smoke pot instead of use other things. It has been that way since then, using pot to avoid doing other drugs, which has worked GREAT for that purpose.

Swim knows he has a nonaddictive personality. He could have heroin, crack, cocaine, or most opiate/benzo pills in 15 minutes of wanting them, but has never been even remotely addicted to them. He has stolen drugs from family members (tramadol from his girlfriend who had an accident, and then he lied about it. also, he stole lorazepam and hydromorphone from his family. this was earlier on. he has not stolen again, and plans to never. those both were firsts. he stole the lorazepam and hydro over several visits too.) Swim knows he stole, and that relates to addiction, but Swim would steal them and sit on them for a few days to weeks before using them. Swim just wanted them around, not to maintain any addiction. That was the most addiction related thing he has ever done. Swim has gone months without having any benzos, and same for opiates. Swim has willpower with those and knows when to stop. Right now, he is also cutting back on overall drug consumption. He also feels weak doing benzos and opiates every week at least once, so he is cutting it down to one "Other" drug per week, which is good enough for Swim. Swim does not have access to ANY psychedelics, and Swim hates anything speedy. Swim only likes stimulants while on them. He hates them before and after using them. He will use a stim once every few months just for something new. But all in all, Swim loves a good, hard nod on some strong opiates.

Now, the problem at hand is Swim wants to stop smoking pot, but cannot will himself to. He has willed himself to stop doing anything else, from lines of coke, to eating propyl inhalers, to popping oxycodone or alprazolam. He can always stop when he wants. But he feels like he is powerless with the pot. Like "it can't hurt, what does it matter? No big deal."

Does anyone out there have suggestions to help wean Swim off? He last smoked yesterday, and has not yet today. He wants to smoke no more than once weekly, and he wants his "old" highs back. He wants to smoke less for health too, and to prove his willpower over the pot. He is also stuck on smoking to fall asleep too. He already has severe insomnia issues, and is trying to see a doctor for this right now.

Swim's first idea is to avoid stimulus that reminds or encourages pot, for example, not listening to music he gets stoned to.

Any thoughts anyone? Swim would greatly appreciate any and all thoughts, opinions, and attempts to help.

And yes, Swim feels like this issue requires help from others. His friends are currently trying to help him too.

Edit: Swim has met fellow smokers who feel like him, hopeless to say no. He even has a friend in the same boat he is in.

[Laszlo1]

Swim knows the feeling. It's just weed right? That's always been swims logic. He's involved in drug testing, which could get him kicked out of his school for a positive test, but somehow he smoked this summer. The logic is always, oh it's just weed, it's harmless. Swim would definitely recommend that swiy avoid weed songs, weed hangouts, and people who will smoke around swim. That's the obvious and healthy stuff. For swim though, he picked up drinking and smoking cigarettes (more than he did while smoking weed) it's helped a lot, though I really wouldn't recommend it to everyone. Swim wishes you the best of luck though, and wishes he had more [constructive] advice to offer. Isn't it ironic that the drug that is non-addictive and least harmful is a really hard one to quit? Actually it kind of makes sense, but that's just the "it's just weed mentality talking swim supposes.

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[fiveleggedrat]

Thank you for the reply

Yeah, Swim has way less desire to do other drugs but smoke.

Swim started smoking tobacco at 17, and quit a few months later. The shit was too harsh on his body, and he figured it was dumb too, nothing personal at you, of course. He did it just to look cool, he hung out with a group who smoked tobacco like chimneys.

Yeah, Swim hates drinking too. Swim's biggest temptation is to turn to smaller opiates and low dose benzos. Maybe low dose DXM. Swim is getting the desire to just feel intoxicated.

Right now, Swim wants his daily pot so bad, Swim has been able to hold out from it 3 days, but no more.

Should Swim perhaps switch to every other day, then every 3rd day, and so on? Maybe Swim needs to "taper" off instead of "cold turkey", lol. Using such strong words for such a simple drug.

Yeah, saying no to the influence of pot is really difficult for Swim. For Swim, he gets his fill of drugs using every now and then. Pot, he needs way more often, at least in his mind.

To add to things, Swim's relative's Xbox360 was going to be a staple of keeping Swim busy, and the dumb kid pissed off his parents and just got it taken away. Swim ALWAYS smokes when he gets bored. Swim feels like DF is not active enough to keep him busy right now too, which has helped before.

Swim is just bored out of his mind, and can't stand that. Stupid "Pot is good" rhetoric, lol.

[Metomni]

SWIM agrees. It most certainly is a reality. Weird thing is, SWIM has absolutely no addiction potential after doing cocaine, smoking cigarettes, or boozing. The ONLY drug that has induced any sort of addiction onto SWIM is herb. And he's not upset about it.

He CAN go without it, but he's a little more depressed (though, in all honesty, it's simply the state he was in for the first 19 years of his life, the herb just helps with it and while smoking he forgets how hard it is to deal with being so sad all the time). He thinks about smoking it and sometimes will stress out if there's no bud, but he can function perfectly well without it. He sleeps still, just not as well. Everything is simply enhanced by the smoke, and that is where the addiction stems from SWIM believes.

He doesn't really care to get over it as he has noticed absolutely no poor side effects other than the financial costs, which if taken care of responsibly are fine. SWIM believes it just really helps some people. He's reasonably manic depressive and has been diagnosed ADD. He HATES uppers almost all of the time so anything that a doctor would prescribe him for attention problems fall on deaf ears. The herb really helps SWIM concentrate on tasks, it gives him the desire to do things, it gives him the will to do things well instead of simply getting them done, and it makes him happy and joyous.

The mental benefits it gives him outweigh any possible negatives by such a wide margin he doesn't see a reason to stop. He does better in school when he smokes. He does better at sports when he smokes. He sleeps better. He eats healthier. He's happier. His whole attitude and view on life turn more positive when his mind is put at ease instead of forever turning on that endless treadmill.

Imagine doing a rubik's cube that envelops your life. Naturally, SWIM is trying to frantically get the green side, but before he even gets two rows, he goes to the blue side. Then the orange side. Then, before he knows it, there's no side with more than 2 greens! After SWIM smokes he concentrates and thinks about how to get the green side. He gets it, and then while doing the blue side, he makes sure to keep the green side in tact. Then, he moves to the orange and so on.

His mind is so much more structured and calm and original and at peace. And that is what has developed the addiction.

Is such an addiction even bad?

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	sounds good, wish swim could still enjoy those benefits instead of just getting hazy and all bored or add-dy

[fiveleggedrat]

It makes Swim feel weak. He feels like it leaves an open door for other drugs. Or is Swim just afraid? Swim is unsure how strong he is.

When Swim got into drugs, he felt like he was a weak, weak person with ZERO self control and ZERO willpower. Now, seeing how most drugs don't produce any feelings of addiction, and that he has been able to hold himself from getting addicted for 2 solid years, he feels better. Most hard drug addicts he met start right from their first dose. For example, Swim recently discovered propylhexedrine, which for him is the best stimulant he has ever done. Yet he has zero desire to go get any.

Also, Swim is asthmatic and has bad allergies. He does cough quite a bit daily.

It's hard for Swim. He moved back in with his family after losing his job and apartment. He makes less than 200 bucks a month right now, and he is financially able to keep the herb flowing. It is a hassle to get, he has no more connections, he cut them all off because too many crackheads were involved, no offense to crack users.

Swim is afraid of depersonlization, Swim felt like it was starting to happen. He does not want the drug to change him. But then again, what defines a person?

Swim was suicidal for 5 years as a child/teen, and spent years in and out of psychologists/psychiatrists, which were useless for Swim. Swim eventually changed his diet at age 17, from fatty foods and junk to healthy food, lost 1/4 his weight, and lost the depression and felt way better.

Eh.

Oh yeah, and the highs suck now. Very short and weak. Used to get super strong, long lasting ones. Swim is tired of smoking and only being high for 30 minutes with a 30 minute afterglow, after having 4 hour highs and 4-6 hour afterglows that were almost as intense as the high itself.

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Swim is very hungry, and seeing TV shows he loves to smoke and watch. It's very hard to say no. Swim can't believe it is only 1:06am, he feels like it is 5:00am at least. Swim is exhausted. Swim'll try to get to sleep now. Swim'll keep everyone updated on how he's doing.

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Going to those lengths to improve quality of life is greatly respectable sir. :)

[AngelicFruitcake]

Originally Posted by Laszlo1

Swim would definitely recommend that swiy avoid weed songs, weed hangouts, and people who will smoke around swim.

SWIM has currently just quit weed, but can't cut out her friends who smoke weed just because she's quitting! Surely it's better to get used to being around people smoking it etc rather than avoiding it? I just think if you get used to being around people that smoke it/things that remind you of weed in the early days, it would be easier than avoiding it for ages because then if you do happen to be around someone smoking it the temptation would be higher?

[~lostgurl~]

Originally Posted by AngelicFruitcake

SWIM has currently just quit weed, but can't cut out her friends who smoke weed just because she's quitting! Surely it's better to get used to being around people smoking it etc rather than avoiding it? I just think if you get used to being around people that smoke it/things that remind you of weed in the early days, it would be easier than avoiding it for ages because then if you do happen to be around someone smoking it the temptation would be higher?

This may be the case if you are a marijuana SMOKER but if you are a marijuana ADDICT what you are suggesting would be very difficult to maintain with the temptation being right in front of you on a regular basis.

[AngelicFruitcake]

Originally Posted by ~lostgurl~

This may be the case if you are a marijuana SMOKER but if you are a marijuana ADDICT what you are suggesting would be very difficult to maintain with the temptation being right in front of you on a regular basis.

Weed isn't physically addictive though...? you basically mean if you are a occasional smoker or heavy smoker? you're right that it would be difficult, SWIM hasn't seen her weed smoking friends yet (it has only been 4 days lol) and is worried about giving into the temptation when she sees them, however she feels it's better to deal with not giving in sooner than later, what I mean is surely it'll be impossible to completely avoid people smoking weed forever so if you do for ages, then one day are offered some, the temptation would be much higher than if you had dealt with it very soon after quitting?

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim still struggles to this day with marijuana self control. Honestly though, the focus has changed. It's used as a mood boost (one bowl is INSTANT peace of mind!), or to help Swim's DAILY and VERY PAINFUL stomach pains and Swim's insomnia, which continues to worsen. Swim sleeps 3-4 hours per 24 hours awake. It's getting bad. Swim's diet is FINALLY in control, and Swim has lost 15lbs in a 2 wk period (went from 3-4k calories a day to 1.5-2k)

Anywho, Swim smokes daily usually, sometimes less. That one hour of peace is so worth it...Swim does yearn for the high of older times.

And probably the biggest reason it's so hard to quit smoking? A quarter pound and a pipe/lighter about 5 ft from one's bed makes it hard, and Swim has no where else to keep his goods. Tough to avoid the stuff. Swim's only friend is also a heavy smoker, but she still gets stoned. Swim can't remember what it's like being stoned...

So remember how Swim said smoking made him cough? No more. It went away! Swim smokes MORE than ever, but the cough just went POOF! I have no clue how/why either.

[cnsns2ccl2]

Swim can relate. swim wants to cut down weed consumption too and swim also find that most of the time she has to go through a crackhead to get it and it's so not worth it. Swim has negative side effects from weed though but it's true, it's so hard to just stop doing. Swim said that it, this isn't worth it, swim is cutting down and with the strong desire swim was able to cut down to like a joint every other day. swim plans to cut down more but finds THC withdrawls suck so wants to ween off it more so than just stop. Surprisingly getting annoyed with it and deciding to do something about it when really serious isn't too hard to do. The compulsion is there but it's manageable.

[fiveleggedrat]

I know it's hell for anyone weening off harder drugs. I mean, if Swim is having such a hard time breaking a small mental addiction, it's got to be literal HELL breaking a strong addiction, like IV Heroin or Meth.

Swim wants to grow, but can't afford the starting costs. He's trying to get his pothead friend with him financially, he's studied growing for 6 months now. She wants him to grow too, but she just can't afford it either.

Swim wishes there was some type of marijuana that built up less tolerance and got out of the body quicker.

Being on the bottom economic rungs sucks.

Swim wants at LEAST 3 or 4 days weed free, but really wants to hit at least a week. Swim wonders how long it'll take for tolerance to go down.

[purplehaze]

Tolerance will be down within 7 days. Quitting weed is not hard. You just have to do it, if you can make it to day 3 then 4-7 is not that bad. Once over day 7 you can make it to two weeks. After about a month you won't even want any. And if you do decide to smoke you may find that the effects aren't that pleasant.

Untill you fall back into smoking everyday.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim did not truly enjoy smoking until he got a decent amount of tolerance.

Swim would get way too high when he never smoked.

Thanks for the numbers, that definately helps Swim.

Swim only intends to quit long enough for the weed to get out of his system, completely, and tolerance to go back far as it can.

Swim loves and accepts weed and that he is a smoker, but he feels like he is just chasing a high that won't come, and when his weed highs suck as bad as all his other highs, he will be tempted to try new and larger doses of other drugs.

Swim mostly just feels he has no self control with it. Swim means sure, he doesnt just whip out a pipe in the middle of a restaraunt, or run off to hide and smoke somewhere, but he can't just say "No, I will not smoke tonight."

Today is day 2 of being sober so far. It's stressful, knowing Swim can't run to drugs for relief. Swim sat up till 6:00am here. He would normally have smoked and gone to bed around 2:00-3:00am. Swim is slightly irritable and had trouble sleeping last night. Other than that, it's just mental cravings.

Swim is also trying to cut back on other drug consumption, too, to note. Not that important, but he might have something else in the next few days.

Swim wants to make a week. Swim thinks any more than that would be harder.

Swim hopes it gets easier as time passes.

Swim will never understand why he can eat large amounts of "hard" drugs and can stop, but stopping for pot more than a few days sucks.

[humdroid]

SWIM has had personal bad experiences with mental addiction and herb.
SWIM coped so badly during one dry spell, a speed addiction ensued.
Speed stopped the spliffyness (craving MJ)

Without sounding like SWIM is spouting yet more, anti-drug propaganda, SWIM feels that there is not nearly enough publicity about this down side of MJ. While there is much publicity about MJ's dangers, while on the drug, SWIM feels that the following should be made public.
If abusing MJ dosent get you when you're on it, it sure will when you come off, cue, mental cannabis withdrawals.

SWIM found that tapering useage down to nil, with the help of other herbs was the biggest help.
While there are no legal herbs out there which get you stoned, there are many which level you off.
Kanna, a.k.a. sceletium totuosum, chewed, snorted or smoked is a great straightener.
SWIM also made use of the legal smoke blends. SWIM was careful not to compare them to MJ, instead, to choose them, based on what SWIM got from MJ.
SWIM decided Calmness, agitation busting, mind opening, and sync with nature, colours patterns etc, was the things which kept SWIMS mind healthy.
SWIM found some legal smoke blends (orally effective for non smokers) and using these meant SWIM could enjoy MJ if available, and not worry if not available.
Various supplements and minerals for mood and nutrition also included.

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ps. Avoidance of alcohol, no matter how tempting, as too many drinks affected SWIM mentally bad.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim purposely put himself in front of his pothead friend, and had her light up to see if he could resist. He did! And boy, did that dirt weed stink. It's like he never has smelled it truly before. Wow.

Swim has made it sober so far today.

Let's hope Swim can keep it going.

[purplehaze]

Getting your tolerance back to 0 and getting it completely out of your system is two totally different things.

The tolerance will be gone if you stay quit for 7 days, check the cannabis wiki for more info. But if you want to piss clean it will be more like 30 days.


Quitting marijuana is not hard, the main thing is you don't ween off from it. Thats not how you quit, with weed there is no physical withdrawl so theres no need to ween off. You have to quit cold turkey, and it isn't because MJ is addictive mentally, or physically, its the same thing as a candy bar, you want it, you can have it. YOU just have to stop eating them, but if you eat a quarter of one your still gonna be supporting your addiction to candy bars.

The first 3 days have always been depressing for phaze, simply because life seems boring, he is irratible, cant sleep, and knows that he can't get high so his mind goes into a cycle, constantly obsessing over getting high. This is just addiction, this can apply the same to anything in life.

Quitting Marijuana is easy as pie, just do it if you want to, if not no need to, but if you really want to all you have to do is just quit. Like i said after day 3 its easy, and most likley after day 7 you will have the willpower to keep it going as long as you need to.

But if just for tolerance reasons, 7 days will suffice.

The easiest way to quit, is keep yourself entertained, go places and do things with friends. And dirt weed is dangerous anyway, if you do smoke in the future it might be best to wait until you can find some clean weed.

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http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...rs_of_Cannabis

Heres the wiki link, scroll down a lil to see tolerance.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim just wants his tolerance down.

If he had to piss for a test, he'd fail for too long a list to mention here.

Swim thanks everyone kindly for the help and info. Very useful!

life seems boring, he is irratible, cant sleep, and knows that he can't get high so his mind goes into a cycle, constantly obsessing over getting high.

That is exactly how it is right now.

Swim is having trouble keeping himself busy, he is trying to use the internet because it's all he has. He has no one to call, nowhere to go, and can't think of anything to do.

And about the dirt, Swim lost his job, and barely makes enough doing odd jobs and getting help from family members. He refuses to pay the absolutely insane prices for higher grade pot (6 times the price of regular pot!)

[tryptamaster]

Swim smokes pot used to smoke pot 3 times a day at the tune of 2 grams per day. by used to i mean swim is clean 3 days. Swim is also very depressed, swim tells himslef the marijuana makes his depression feel betteer but then realizes this could also be a rationalization for his addiction. Becasue of the lack of physical side effects many people dont see herb as a problem. Swim has acess to many drugs at unlimited amounts such as clonazepam and amphetamine. Swim does not like to use these drugs often at all due the thier physcial effects. Swims theory is basically since u get no neagative effects from the green u allow your use to escalate to the point that your mentally addicted to it.

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Touching the root of the problem

[fiveleggedrat]

Originally Posted by tryptamaster

Swims theory is basically since u get no neagative effects from the green u allow your use to escalate to the point that your mentally addicted to it.

Yup. That's how Swim and all his pothead friends feel.

[Evil GIR]

Cannabis might not be addictive but tobacco is, swim being from

europe often smokes his pot with that dirty tobacco. Problem for swim is that he never smokes normal
cigaretts, So its joints or nothing.

So swim needs to quit pot because swim smokes far too much and so

isn't motivated to do anything. Plus swim is getting older and so the risks of cancer increase, swim
doesn't want cancer.

The way swim sees it, is if swim drank alcohol as much as swim smoked the he would be an

alcoholic.

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[fiveleggedrat]

If Swim did anything as often as he did pot, he would be VERY much so physically addicted.

Luckily, Swim has rational thoughts when it comes to opioids, stimulants and benzos.

Yeah, Swim's friend used pot to quit tobacco. Down here, the quality for pot is not that great, so no one smokes it with tobacco. Swim has honestly never even heard of ANYone really doing it in America.

Now she can't stop smoking pot.

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Today day 3 of no pot.

Swim is feeling slightly fewer cravings for pot. Still have lots of overall drug cravings.


Swim is only halfway through his day, but is unsure how things will go.

Swim found out today, for unknown reasons, the only college class he is registered to take this term dropped him. He logged online to check times to be in class, and saw he was dropped. What the fuck, he does not need this stress.

Swim would have pretty much lit up the second he saw that, if he could've.

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Swim managed to get into another class at the last moment, thank goodness.

Swim has managed to not smoke. Tomorrow will be Day 4 of soberland.

Drug cravings continue to slowly subside. Swim has also managed to get his eating in check! How nice. (Swim is a compulsive eater, and stress eats sometimes too. Swim also eats very unhealthy, and Swim also previously has had anorexia, although def. not now, lol)


Swim def. notices being more aware of his problems, now that he can't run from them by being high. Not much of a change though, really. It's purely mental, and not a big deal. Swim thinks all the positives coming from quiting are him just realizing he has more control over his life and his actions than he though he had.

Swim really does have more willpower than he thought.

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Pot cravings continue to decrease, as does Swim's overall food intake (a positive.)

Swim is tempted to have some alprazolam, but is low in supply and also has classes tomorrow morning. Swim would still be drowsy and perhaps memory addled in the morning, which is not good for the first day of a new class.

Swim is pretty sure he can and will go the rest of the day with no pot.

Swim has also pretty much decided that after at least 1 full week, Swim will go back to smoking every 3rd or 4th day. Daily will not happen again, and every other day will not be acceptable often.

[Archangel]

Swim stoped MJ cold turkey after 5 years of *heavy* (almost exclusive) use of MJ.Not cause he wanted or saw a problem in it just because of non-availability in his new habitat.
Swim stressed about a week for not being able to get any and then even stoped doing that.
After years,probably when swim made something ,that he could look at, out of his life realized that the thing that sucked then was that he sat all day smoking,that he thought he could not live without smoking,that he thought smoking defined him as a person(and even more sucky is the fact that it probably did).
Since then swim has outgrown this particular substance.Swim can still enjoy a good joint,but only if he needs a break from this reality,only if he needs (and afords)to take a short vacation to a more fun,relaxed universe.No efort involved.
Its not magic its how things are.If weed hurts swiy ,he should do anything he can to stop its use.If swiy doesnt know if weed hurts swiy,swiy should take a break from it and find out.But swiy shouldnt asume that weed is the source of all of swiy's problems.
Swim doesnt consider that there is any phisical adiction or any mental(in a brain chemistry kinda way).But mental adiction can be a bitch since ,quiting, means swiy will be leaving a part of who he is behind.Is swiy leaving behind a deadly flaw or amusing defect?.....Swiy is the only one who can (and must) know.
Give swiy the days he has decided to give,and maybe swiy will find himself in a beter position to decide.

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[fiveleggedrat]

So Swim's experiment is over, more or less. He got what he wanted from it.

Five days. That's how long Swim did not smoke. He decided to cut the 7 day thing a little short for personal reasons.

All in all, he learned that just making himself stop for a while makes it break his hold of him. Cutting out the pot also cuts out some other drug craving too, and helps him control his eating. Overall willpower goes up.

He learned much on tolerance and how it happens too. After the 5 day break, Swim smoked the next 5 days straight, observing with great detail the differences. The first 3 days or so of smoking, he hit a MUCH higher point than he has in forever, like a completely different plateau. Each day, the plateau got shorter, and he got slightly less and less from the pot, but it was still enjoyable. Swim will never smoke daily again. He plans on smoking somewhere from every 2nd to every 5th day, casually.

Swim highly recommends everyone who is a regular pot smoker to try and take a week break. It teaches MUCH on the nature of mental addiction, habit, and willpower. Very good experience, introspective.

Swim'll do more on studying the effects and nuances of pot tolerance now too.

[Archangel]

It's good to test (and overcome) your limitations .As most 'traits' in life willpower is also trainable and imposing on your self abstinence from something that you are dependent on (substances,wealth,ppl,etc) for a pre-determined time is a good "work out".And , it's a work out that users(or abusers) desperately need , since prolonged use of most substances , suck bit by bit your mental strength and your rezolve and with those , the ability to control your destiny.So I would sugest that you dispair not.Even if you did not fullfill your goal .Its just excersise and next time you feel your loosing control or just dis-pleased with the situation you should do it again.At the very least you will be reminded once more that nothing in life is for free and that is especialy true for drugs and love...

P.S.From I hear this is also true for chocholate .