Modern slavery

[SomeOne]

Few people realize that what is offered to them as jobs, is in fact a new form of slavery, wrapped up in a cloth of payslips and taxation.
The new slave masters have come to the conclusion over time, that outright slavery could be conveniently replaced by payed slavery, and developed over one and a half century a modus operandi in which the modern slaves truely belief they have a choice.
However, what is offered to them as freedom of choise, is in fact simply a change of masters.

In the last decades extortion came to the mind of the masters, and was played upon their slaves.
They are now being extorted to the extend of a borderline existence , where the reward for their labor is just enough to pay their monthly expenses, and leave no room anymore for accumulation of some sort of personal wealth by saving a substantial part of their income.

Even the lower echelons of modern slavemasters, those who managed to climb out of the quagmire of laborers, are now being eradicated by a new form of capitalism, concentrated capitalism.
For the past decade, merging and monopolizing has been the masters new adagio.

The impact of the masters faulty interpretation of Darwin's law, survival of the fittests, has reached it's final stages.
It will be interesting to see what happens next.

Monocrops destruct themself in the end. LT/

[Stingray_313]

We are all</span> slaves in a way. If
you are at the bottom of the line (like a hobo or something), then you
are a slave to money. If you are a middle class citizen, you are a
slave to money. If you are a rich tycoon or someone, you are still a
slave to money. Money seems to DEFINE us in this era of time. Therefor,
we are all slaves to its utmost power. The power of money. If the
system of money and coinage was abolished, there would never be a
system of slavery.. unless you look deeper...



If no money existed, and we all fended for ourselves, then we would
still be slaves. Not slaves to a person, or to a thing, but to the
idealology that we are against the world. When you define slave, it
means something similar to "One that is forced to do something". When
we are on our own, we are slaves; slaves to ourselves. We have to go
and get food or get clothing or build a fire or find shelter... we have
to WORK for ourselves. It is impossible to escape this system of
slavery.



Look at it this way... sure we are slaves to "modern slavemasters" (as
SomeOne put it), but without those slavemasters, there would still be
slavery.



Slavery is the ever-prevailing system of rule.

[P!MPJU!C3]

What bullshit!

Slavery is forced work with out pay.

Paid, unforced( u have the choice to not be employed)slavery is thus no longer slavery.

People might oten refer to their work as slavery. That is in a joking manner. Slavery is often associated with hard work. House slaves were treated very well and did not work hard at all.

I must repeat myself

WHAT BULLSHIT!

P!MPJU!C3

[unico_walker]

Choosing to be unemployed, at least in most areas of the world isn't really a choice at all.

Thats like saying you can stay inside by the fire or go out into the blizzard naked, thats not really a choice.

[amtripper]

not neccesarily... you could go to the mountains somewhere and live off
the land... no one is stopping you...what are you waiting for? get off
your computer and throw away every luxury you have and live like a
native... you can survive... but would you wanna live like that? it 's
your own personal choice to go live in a country somewhere in africa
with a tribe.. you can do it..you just don't want to

[unico_walker]

Not everyone has the skills or the willpower to do it, myself?

I think I could live off the land at this point, I wouldn't live well or like some noble savage thats for sure.

Quite frankly I wouldn't want to, at least for long periods.



Well I am willing to live in a country and am going to shortly that is at the technological equivalent to 1980's America.

And you know what? I love it! When you're police force is so inept and
corrupt they can't stop the takeover of the government from small
insurgency groups you get beautiful sights like an old man smoking a
mighty spliff in the park next to the police station.

Liberating and I'm young so right now I don't give a rats ass about
comprehensive healthcare so I can chill with my cheap script pills and
affording a second SUV to fill out the driveway.

[SomeOne]

I will try to explain myself a bit more labourously to those interested, slavemasters have one adagio.

<center>GREED</center>

In my opinion, politics and those who benefit the most from it, politicians (so not YOU, the average citizen), is basically a breedingground for GREED</font> in most socalled democratic governments, but one nation outgrows all others, the USA.

For myriads of well-informed Europeans and Asians, there is a day by passing day growing concern that the politicians of the only surviving superpower, the United States of America, are able to pull off the biggest scam in human history on their own populace, without being brought to justice.

The level of lack of honest information in the US by their local media and government officials during the last decades has reached such proportions, that their (mis)information has mounted to such blatant heights, that the rest of the world doesn't understand anymore, that such media machinations are accepted at such a huge scale in a nation crowded with supposedly intelligent citizens, who visited the moon, who gave us many great inventions, who wrote great books and produced so many great films.

Let's try to analyze what's going on in the shades of US politics and government.
(These are mixed parts and some edits of a rather lengthy and chaotic radio interview transcript with Walter J. Burien, Jr., on December 17th 1999, http://cafr1.com/ )

One reason for the impotence of the US populace to change the way they are being governed, is ofcourse the totally gone-hayward justice system they have to endure.
An example:

The judicial branch is the millionaire boys' retirement club. Every state judge in f.ex. New Jersey was guaranteed $5 million after serving one year tenure. In other words, they didn't have to work five years, ten years, fifteen years, twenty years to get their pension. All they had to do was their tenure - one year and they got their full benefit package, which was excessive. Now, district ... let's go to federal.
District court judges, how many of you out there think that district court judges have a pension or retirement fund? I guess you would assume they have a pension or retirement fund. Well, they don't. District court judges are appointed for life. They get their full paycheck for life and benefits for life. And, in fact, two years ago they just took the action that when they die they can assign their full paycheck and benefits for the life of their surviving spouse or dependent relative. Now, that's a sweet deal.

The US government biggest scam explains as follows :

Governments across the USA on the city, county, state levels, and federal, have created a two-tier accounting structure. One tie, the annual operating budgets, the cost side of operating government for the year - the ready money they bring in for the year to handle that cost and what they expend.
What's being left out is the other tie, the decades -- the decades of investment wealth, enterprise ventures which generate hundreds of billions of dollars each year, which are not inclusive in the budgetary basis.
The US Government has turned into a financial empire across the board.</font>
And the public, basically, allowed the foxes to write the laws on how many hens they could eat from the hen house. And of course, foxes being foxes, they've eaten all the hens.
When you start looking at composite totals of revenue and compare it to the private sector, government currently now is substantially bigger than the private sector. We are standing at about 65% government, 35% the private sector.

Now, when you look at stocks, for example, New Jersey State Government had $70 billion in common stock ownership. Which one of you ever even thought about New Jersey as a state owning $70 billion in stocks? Composite totals city, county, state and federal on stock ownership, which equates to approximately $32 trillion. That means over 53% of the entire open interest of all issued stocks from all exchanges is owned by composite government sources. You won't have one city or county or state owning a phenomenal base in one stock, but you'll have thousands of the different cities, counties and states owning the composite totals. They own over 51 percent. So, when you look at individual corporations, Xerox Corporation, IBM, AT&T, the primary owners are composite government funds, and they'll be listed as institutional funds - when you see the word "institutional funds" - that is government money, in most cases. So, when you have a supposed public corporation - say, 72% owned by composite government funds, you wouldn't call that a public corporation;
you would say that's a government operation</font>.
Xerox is approximately 72% owned by composite government funds; AT&T is up around 42%, so on and so on...

You always thought government was maybe 5% of the GNP of this country and this was a free-market economy, and you learned now you were wrong. Basically, what the public has done here - we all have done this, also in most other socalled democratic nations by the way - we left the vault door open. In fact, 95% of the public would say, "Vault? What vault?" And those sharp little crackers at all higher levels in federal and lower government said, "Thank you very much. Have a good day."

The federal government, in 1981, mandated that all local governments prepare a Comprehensive Annual Financial Report -every city, every county, every state, or, in the alternative, a Combined Financial Statement, if they did not prepare a Comprehensive Annual Financial Report.

Now don't you start to wonder why in fact there's for decades already, a total press blackout of mentioning of the name of this report</font>, - the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report.

The background on the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report: a group by the name of GFOA, Government Financial Officers Association, in 1946 created the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reporting accounting structure.
Supposedly the city of Manhattan produced one of the first ones in 1951, as a large entity. So, the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report has been around for quite a long time. There are 54,000 separate government corporations; cities, counties, school districts, authorities, that produce their own separate report - that's 54,000. You start looking at the composite totals of the revenue from 54,000 reports - the cities, the counties, the states - and you see the $60 trillion inclusive with federal government's revenue.

Let's return to f.ex. New Jersey's 1998 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report. They had $295 billion in liquid investment funds. Isn't that awful? But you're just looking at the state report. There's 21 counties, a couple hundred cities and municipalities, autonomous agencies - all separate reports. If you take the composite totals of the liquid investment funds, you're well in excess of $1.2 trillion. If you take the population of New Jersey and divide it into $1.2 trillion, that comes out to a cash allocation of $146,000 per man, woman and child living in the state or, for a family of five, that equals to about 730,000 dollars.
The obfuscation of the wealth has been excessive.

But just one notation regarding the federal, because this is not just going on in local governments - you know, cities, counties and states. Federal government's playing the exact same game. And I've noticed a lot of people always point the finger at the federal government as the bad guys, but when you break down the actual revenue of the $60 trillion, two-thirds of it belongs to the local governments - the cities, counties and states - and one-third belongs to the federal government.

Now, with this much money out there, this phenomenal base of wealth, empires that are being built, it is mandatory to keep the public oblivious to what was going on. If the public was aware that this type of wealth was being built and obfuscated as tax dollars are being drained out of their pockets, where people are citing a shortfall of budgetary revenue, there would have been an uprising 30 years ago. But the government, to perpetuate this game, they needed the 100% cooperation of the syndicated media. That they have. You will not see ABC, NBC, saying, "Oh, by the way, we just happened to find out about the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report and we found out that the budgetary basis is this big (small noted) but the revenue shown on the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report is this big. (Large noted) You will not see that happen. They have been in cooperative nondisclosure for 25 years. That's why the situation has taken place.
New Jersey's report f.ex. was sent to every editor of every paper - had been for 25 years. They never mentioned it. Worse, when asked by someone who stumbled upon it, they refused to publicize, quoting :
"We've received your request. We do not have the staff or the resources to report on a story of this magnitude. So your request is declined."

Depending upon what city, what county, what state you're looking at, the ratio of the budgetary basis, (the annual service budget to be paid), to the reality of the total accumulated decades of wealth, usually ranges from a percentage of 1:8 to as high as 1:40. That comparison between the budgetary basis and the reality of the wealth is not made public at all.

Well, when you look at the financial takeover of the wealth by composite government in the USA, it dwarfs the control communist Russia had, in comparison, based on that financial control.
In fact, did you ever wonder why Gorbachev went democratic?</font> He looked and he said, "Hey, the boys in the United States have more control than we do, and they're making ten times as much."

What you americans have in your country is 100% Communism under the guise of a free market capitalist system.Edited by: SomeOne

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Great post ; very informative and structured ! (Modern Slavery)

[SomeOne]

"The government owns everything."
Now, the public is constantly complaining about higher taxes, higher taxes, more money being taken for this, for that. And they're conditioned - year in, year out.
You had the Boston Tea Party-- wasn't that for a 3% tax on tea --, that caused the American revolution.
And here you've been conditioned to 45% of your pay going back to government. And when you look at all aspects of what the government's getting - export tax, import tax, duties on manufacturing, the composite total is phenomenal on the money that's taken by your government.

The principle of operation in this country of yours is, the boys running this structure - they keep the chipmunk running on the treadmill chasing the carrot when through trickle-down economics they provide just enough revenue to keep that chipmunk running at optimum proficiency as they tap off 80% of the energy produced. This is not right. The country was established for the public to rule in this country - for prosperity, for your families, education, the whole nine yards. If you see the country going down the tubes, it's strictly due to the factor that you have greed taking place on an unprecedented level in all levels of city, county, state government and federal government. Empire- building, power mongering. When you start breaking down the figures, using fifth-grade addition skills, just knowing where to look, adding up the composite totals; as mentioned there's 54,000 local governments, separate reports, separate corporations, school districts, cities, counties, states, autonomous agencies - 54,000; the totals of that revenue is phenomenal.

Look at the summary from the state of Washington, Just for an example - We're not picking on Washington. But Washington state, on the statistical section which is in the back of the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, it shows a ten-year demographics of revenue taken in, population growth, the whole nine yards. Retail sales, the top employers, Washington state, in the course of a ten-year period of time, there was a 100% growth in government. During the same ten-year period of time government took 115% more revenue. The population growth in the state of Washington was approximately 8 percent during the same time period. The revenue doubled in ten years in what they're taking from the public. You have a runaway freight train. As mentioned, the public left the vault door open. And the sharp little crackers said, "'Thank you very much."

On the government pension funds - city, county, state, federal - they're standing at about $28 trillion -$28 trillion. The private sector will never see $28 trillion in their lifetime. Let's go back to that word "Russia" and communism under the guise of a free-market capitalist system. The figures are there. We're not talking about any gray area; there's no speculation here. This is outright their own figures. This is a massive operation -it's a multi-trillion dollar organized syndicate of composite government wealth. They needed to keep their own accounting of their own structure - the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report was their accounting. The Comprehensive Annual Financial Report showed the wealth. And the reason it was never mentioned to the public was it did show the wealth.
Well, the figures are all there. It's all there. They account for everything. There's the billions of dollars.
You're seeing the billions of dollars that you never saw before in your lifetime. You're now seeing them for the first time, you now realize the scope of the billions. And understand why they instructed the media to neglect the subject already for decades.

If you go back 25 years ago, government was approximately 6 to 8 percent of the GrossNationalProduct of your country, gross national product total revenue base. Currently, today, composite government - city, county, state and federal - it's 48% of the GNP based on cash and ownership. This is not right. You fell asleep at the wheel. You allowed it to happen. You have to realize this is the worlds largest organized syndicate - a multi-trillion dollar organized syndicate - with thousands of facets that spends billions, billions of dollars, to make sure the public is looking off in right field as they conduct business as usual in left field. You'll see the orchestration in the media on different events which keep the public spinning their wheels over here as the boys are making their billions of dollars over there. They laugh their asses off on the way to the bank every single day. They're becoming wealthy, empires are being built. When you look at the $60 trillion in liquid investment funds, the composite totals - the billions...

Let's look at the state of California, with approximately $12 trillion under management. Now, under the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report you'll see about, oh, a total of maximum of about $3 trillion. But when you start tracking down the cities, the counties, all the revenue base, you're up to about $12 trillion. Now, in California, say, for example, one of the investment managers who is handling, say, $400 billion in funds, and he had, say, $150 billion -with American Express institutional banking. That's a very powerful position. If that individual contacts the director of the institutional banking, and said his brother in Argentina needed a $120 million loan in Argentina for a sugar cane energy development project, unsecured, do you think he's going to say NO? I don't think so. He'll have one of his associates from another company that he deals with closely cut the loan. If it's defaulted on, he'll just make up the difference on some business he'll do with that firm.

The power mongering and the elbow rubbing that takes place here is obscene! And it's not just one group, one organization, doing it, it's the principle of operation.
Stop focusing in on a leaf, branch or tree in the forest. Start focusing in on the forest; understand the principle of operation of the forest. There are ten thousand of these operations going on all over your country.

Every problem seen in your country to this date has to do with extortion of revenue from the public. Period. It is the root of evil in your country - the wealth being taken from the populace. And one of the problems here is, a lot of people have been looking for the needle in the haystack, trying to find government corruption and wealth being stolen from you.
Well, we're not looking for the needle in the haystack here, folks.
It's the haystack sitting on top of the needle.
All you have to do is look and start adding up the composite figures. Stop being distracted by one leaf or branch or tree in the forest. Start qualifying the forest. And when you do you'll see the clear and unequivocal financial takeover of the wealth of this country of yours by composite government, right from the city level to the state to the federal level. It's power mongering, it's empire building. The boys that are in there on the inner circle; the wealth is absolute.

The game is absolute, and we're talking about so much money behind the game, and you have the participation of the syndicated media in the game, the public really has not stood a chance. The only way the public stands a chance is through full and open disclosure of the wealth.
Corrective action is needed and is needed immediately. With the scope of the financial takeover that is in existence today, they're consolidating that ownership. Within several years you'll have composite government owning 85% of the wealth in your country. And at that point in time the public may just become a liability - they don't need them anymore.
The New Order boys have recently published a report in which they stated that the global population must be brought back to 2 billion people, by any socially acceptable means possible.
Any idea what they could have up their sleaves?
So, it's very important that the public starts taking a serious look at what's going on.
The money that's involved here is, on the broad spectrum, it’s one big game. The politicians will lie straight to your face.

You have the sharpest crowd, sharpest crackers on the face of the planet that are running one of the most sophisticated structures on the face of the planet - composite U.S. government - that is drawing in trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars. And it has turned into a parasitic situation. The blood that's being drawn off the host ... if you look at the public as being the host for the parasite, the parasite is now substantially bigger than the host. That's a serious problem, folks.
The majority of the public, they keep saying to themselves, "Is there something wrong here? Why are things not right? Why are things going to hell in a handbag?" The problem is these guys are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars each - millions, in some cases. They have phenomenal backing to do it - to perpetuate the game.
While the public is struggling to get by.

You're closer to where communist Russia wanted to be than Russia ever got.

You only have one advantage, folks--one advantage only. As mentioned, this is a $60 trillion organized syndicate with thousands of facets behind it. The judiciary is controlled, the finances are controlled, and the wealth is controlled.
The only advantage you have is that you outnumber the boys running the structure, about 400: 1.
This happens to be your country.
You're up against a very powerful structure, a syndicate. The arrogance factor behind that structure is absolute. The top individuals running this structure on the investment side, the brokerage side, the banking side, the insurance side, they have egos the size of the World Trade Center. They have accomplished their objective, they have the control.

Ask yourself, do you, the inhabitants of what happened to be such a great nation, own the government, or do the collective local and federal governments think they own the people?
LT/

[SomeOne]

For those americans with more than the average attention span of a staggering 15 seconds, calculated by the TV advertisement-spammers , here is a damm good site where you can get amazed even more about your existence as a slave, owned by your masters of deception :

Conclusions

Refunds Equal Higher Wages

""Returning the surpluses to the people will cause such an increase in jobs that companies will have to pay higher wages in order to get and keep employees. Maybe then they will not be able to give themselves a 28% pay increase each year by keeping employee wages down. The threat of companies closing their U.S. operations and moving overseas, encouraging illegal alien migration to the U.S.A., outsourcing of jobs, and not enforcing trade agreements, all have discouraged employees from receiving adequate wage increases commensurate with the supposedly booming economy of the '90s. The booming economy has benefited the top 10%, not the rest of us.

10% Own 73.2% of U.S. Wealth

Another Wall Street Journal article was entitled, "Wealth Gap Grows: Why Does It Matter?" It stated in summary:

"…Yet, the gap in wealth-which includes investments in addition to paychecks-between the richest Americans and everyone else has continued to widen…"

"…Only 43.3% of all households owned any stock… Of those, many portfolios were relatively small. Nearly 90% of all shares were held by the wealthiest 10% of households. That top 10% held 73.2% of the country's net worth, up from 68.2% in 1983."

The article stated "households", not governments. Now add to the 73.2% the surpluses held by governments and the amount owned and controlled by the wealthiest 10% will probably exceed 90% or more of the wealth of America.

When Does Communism Exist, 73.2%, 90%, or 100%?

Remember, communism is a concept or system of society in which the major resources and means of production are owned by the community (governments and a few individuals who control governments) rather than by individuals. In theory, such societies provide for equal sharing of all work, according to ability, and all benefits, according to need. Some conceptions of communist societies assume that, ultimately, coercive government would be unnecessary and therefore that such a society would be without rulers. Until the ultimate stages are reached, however, communism involves the abolition of private property by a revolutionary movement; responsibility for meeting public needs is then vested in the state.

The special elite decide on how the wealth will be distributed among the people. All life styles, standard of living, actions, thoughts, and even life itself is decided by the state because the state owns and controls everything.
Is it possible that communism could be created within a capitalistic society without a revolution? Have we already reached that point?</font>

Returning Surpluses Reverses the Trend

Returning surpluses to the people will reverse the trend of wealth transfers and increase the percent owned and controlled by 90% of the people. This increase in people-control could greatly assist in restoring the "Republic" form of government outlined by the founders. Although this not a cure, it is a step in the right direction.

Can you think of any other item that could do more in our society or provide as many benefits as returning surpluses to the people?" When we asked one person this question, he responded, "Yes - declare Washington, D.C. a foreign country with its occupants having no immigration rights."

Reforms Come From Below.
(No Man With Four Aces Howls for a New Deal.) ""
Gerald R. Klatt Lieutenant Colonel, USAF (Ret.) Former: Auditor/Commander, Air Force Audit Agency, Federal Accountant
LT/

[SomeOne]

For the slightly handicapped among you, who can't bring themselfs to click a link, some more snippets from the Colonel(ret).
Read the excuses from government officials afterwards eventually, but first the conclusion is provided here :

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Excuses+Conclusions

"" Conclusion</font> :

There are a few things you should understand.

1. Governments are not going to confess that they have been overtaxing the people and have accumulated reserves (surpluses). Such a confession would be political suicide.

2. To protect their actions, governments will use any excuse to justify their position/actions. This is not only human nature, but survival.

3. Getting involved with a government in this type of dialogue is a waste of time.

4. This issue is so important that if the politicians do not understand it and take appropriate action, their challengers during the next election will.

5. With using many excuses, the government is hoping that one item will stick and then demand that the baby be thrown out with the bath water.

Key Response</font>

This is the key response</font> to all excuses raised by governments/politicians regarding reasons they should hold reserves of the taxpayers money.

If a government official/politician can demonstrate that holding and investing the surpluses individually or in total, for any reason including "it is the law", is equal to or greater than the amounts demonstrated in my economic impact analysis when reserves are returned to the people, then we will gladly reconsider our position.

Until that is proven to our and the public's satisfaction, the maximum benefits to the taxpayers are when the excesses are returned to the people (elementary economics). When governments hold reserves, the taxpayers pay dearly. (See Economic Impact Section) ""
Economic Impact Analysis
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Let's hope that the european and asian readers understand by now, that this nefarious scheme is played upon them exactly the same, duplicated by the political instignators, the banks and the major stockholders in their countries, which are members of the same global syndicated network as in the USA.

Since this is a Netherlands based forum, have a look at dutch politics for the last decades there, and you will conclude that you have become a testing ground for US politics and machinations to exploit on the much greater US populace after proved workable in a small country like yours, facilitated to an unprecedented level by the last and present Cabinet, de facto under the same leaders.
When another scientifically trained economist, Pim Fortuyn, entered the dirty political arena with ideas much like the above, and lightning fast got a huge backup from the populace, he was smeared by the rest of the established political wolfpack in such a way, that inevitably he got conveniently murdered by a derailed eco-terrorist, who I highly suspect to have been used in a secret CIA plot, the same as used on Hinckly, who shot and nearly killed president Reagan. (Google the names)
But his most valuable legacy is the fact that politics saw themselfs escape at the last minute from a defacto revolution of the same people who had voted for them in the past based on all the same lies, over and over.
And that legacy lays still smoldering in the minds of too many dutch citizens, and dutch politics got scared to hell by it, and ofcourse also their US masters in the background, they saw that ONE single man with a brain and a lot of wisdom could derail their whole fortress of future plans.
That's the reason why dutch politicians have cowardly sold you out to the US, and follows obediently the leash of the New World wolfpack, which btw is not only US based, if ever you got that impression. LT/

[SomeOne]

If you got interested at all, how to solve these problems, here is the solution the New Zealand government came up with, after their country went to the drain in the eighties, and they were forced to change their burocratic standpoint, as an added benefit proved to the whole world that lesser burocrats realy will make for better and more jobs in the private sector, against all expectations from politicians, there, and in the rest of the world.

New Zealands burocratic reform
LT/

[SomeOne]

If this does not convince the American citizens that there is a cure for their economic sickness of the moment, I'll be floored.

From above New Zealand reform link :

"" Some of the things that government was doing simply didn’t belong in the government. So we sold off telecommunications, airlines, irrigation schemes, computing services, government printing offices, insurance companies, banks, securities, mortgages, railways, bus services, hotels, shipping lines, agricultural advisory services, etc. In the main, when we sold those things off, their productivity went up and the cost of their services went down, translating into major gains for the economy. Furthermore, we decided that other agencies should be run as profit-making and tax-paying enterprises by government. For instance, the air traffic control system was made into a stand-alone company, given instructions that it had to make an acceptable rate of return and pay taxes, and told that it couldn’t get any investment capital from its owner (the government). We did that with about 35agencies. Together, these used to cost us about one billion dollars per year; now they produced about one billion dollars per year in revenues and taxes.



We achieved an overall reduction of 66 percent in the size of government, measured by the number of employees. The government’s share of GDP dropped from 44 to 27 percent. We were now running surpluses, and we established a policy never to leave dollars on the table: We knew that if we didn’t get rid of this money, some clown would spend it. So we used most of the surplus to pay off debt, and debt went from 63 percent down to 17 percent of GDP. We used the remainder of the surplus each year for tax relief. We reduced income tax rates by half and eliminated incidental taxes. As a result of these policies, revenue increased by 20 percent. Yes, Ronald Reagan was right: lower tax rates do produce more revenue.



What about regulations? The regulatory power is customarily delegated to non-elected officials who then constrain the people’s liberties with little or no accountability. These regulations are extremely difficult to eliminate once they are in place. But we found a way: We simply rewrote the statutes on which they were based. For instance, we rewrote the environmental laws, transforming them into the Resource Management Act – reducing a law that was 25 inches thick to 348 pages. We rewrote the tax code, all of the farm acts, and the occupational safety and health acts. To do this, we brought our brightest brains together and told them to pretend that there was no pre-existing law and that they should create for us the best possible environment for industry to thrive. We then marketed it in terms of what it would save in taxes. These new laws, in effect, repealed the old, which meant that all existing regulations died – the whole lot, every single one.</font>""
LT/

[java]

Thank you for a most inspiring well thought out
presentation,someone,of the problem and one possible solution for
the stick in the mud policies of the US ....now if only my country Mexico
would adopt such a genuine plan for government ........solo

[Funkameleon5]

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[augustine]

I'll be honest. I didn't read most of the big blocks of text in this thread, so I'm just going to address the other things that were said.

To talk about slavery, we should be clear what we mean by it. The only absolute slavery that can exist is if someone alters your brain chemistry and makes you do the things they want regardless of what you want.

Now when I think of 'slavery,' its usually pre-American Civil War (i.e. 'owning' a person). This is slavery only in so far as the government legitamizes it. It says its okay to own someone else and make them do whatever you want. However, that person can clearly still do whatever they want, though they would then face the repercussions from the law or whoever.

The next form of 'slavery' is what the first poster mentioned. There are no laws forcing you to get a job, no one is flooding your brain with chemicals to make you do anything- you are making the choice to get a job so that you can get food, a house, whatever. You don't have to do these things, but if you don't, you'll probably be worse off and possibly die, so some people might not see it as a choice. However, as long as you can choose one thing over another, even if one of the choices is death, I wouldn't consider it slavery.

I'd consider case 2 (pre-American Civil War) to be more of a slave state than case 3 only because its illegal to for example run away, and laws are essentially society. Sure there are laws for us to pay taxes, but most people fail to realize the many services that the government provides that we are obligated to pay for. If you've gone to a public school, used a public road, gone to a library, etc. you owe the government/society what its given you. I know most of us don't make the choice to receive these services considering we start using them before we're born, but how can that be a reason not to pay back what you owe? You'd probably get your ass kicked if you said something like, "Oh, that food I just ate? I've decided I didn't really want it, so I'm not going to pay you."

[afromonkey]

I disagree with you, P!MPJU!C3</span> and also
find a lot of things i agree with in Someone's
argument, and it 's made me think, so thanks, someone! </span></span>

[uqlfy]

That was very well presented and I thank for taking the time it
must have to post that. I never realized just how much the goverment
owns.

[Qish]

money has no value

its you who decides how much of a slave you are to it

i met a girl that truly doenst give a shit about that

thats one of peoples problems...is they just want to boink strangers and that costs money.

money has no value

its us that gives it its value

everyone should become a lazy scammer.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Qish

everyone should become a lazy scammer.

Do as you wish, but leave the scamming out of it.

[hh339]

I hate being dependent on money, and an ideal situation for me would be to live on the countryside where I could grow my own food and vegetables and just take care of myself and my hope-to-come family. I have never been able to adapt to the way things work and what its all about: money and control. I hardly meet with other people due to the discomfort I get when they start talking about money, politics, drugs, employment and so on. People have showed me great disrespect when i have only expressed my feelings and opinions, I have even been beat down very bad for it. I have made a lot of money a couple of years back, I used to walk around with over 5000 bucks in my pocket. Now a lot of people probably think "wow, I wish I had that kind of money", but let me tell you, it caused more problems then you could ever imagine. I got tortured, I got robbed, I got selfish, and worst of all, I got very lonely. Money turned me into everything I hate, and it made me realize: theres no "they" that made me a slave to money and control, I did a good job of that on my own. Fuck that. I got so blinded by that crap that I forgot the basics of life, so I did what I had to do, I gave away most of it to people who really needed it and I took my girl on a nice vacation. Ok, I should have saved some, cuz now is the time I really need it, but my life have never been better than now. I have a hard time living among other people, but there are a few people that proves to me that there is something much more valuable than money and all that it brings. There are many slaves on the streets today, but a lot of them are slaves to themselves. Not to the politicians and people with power. 99,99% of them are slaves too. Thats what I think anyway. Wow, I feel a million flamings coming on, lol!

[hh339]

By the way: SWIMS girls parents does not hardly speak to SWIM because of what he SUPPOSEDLY was up to in the past. Taking their girl(their daughter)on a fancy vacation only proved to them SWIM was up to some deep shit, when he did not even had a job at the moment. They should have considered saving money as an option, but no..SWIM looks like a criminal to them so that must be it! Even IF that was it, what about asking the guy so he could answer for himself? Envy?

[dnb warrior]

put it like this:

as long as there is uneven distribution of wealth, we will be slaves to whoever has the wealth.
wanting material goods is our natural urge, not a choice, and society is able to produce enough material goods to meet its needs to a high standard.

it is the people with money and power, whether government or corporations, who control those goods. they organise people together to work, and then pay the workers as little as they can for it, and cream off the profits themselves.

the people who get the biggest share of what society produces (in profits and dividends) are those with money to invest. they don't work for their money but they get the profits from production. the people who work to produce things get the same low wages however much profiit is made.

some people who have worked all their lives still live a modest existence while some, who never did a days work but had money to invest and invested wisely, live a life at luxury which all the workers of the world work hard to sustain. those at the bottom of the chain work the hardest but those at the top reap the benefits, and people with little money will always be slaves to those with more.

[haxor]

I live in Greece I'm a computer technician and my monthly wages is 600 euro
I pay 300 euro rent, 100 euro electricity bill, 200 for food. I think that Thats a good picture what a modern slave is all about...

[bottlekop]

Originally Posted by SomeOne

The level of lack of honest information in the US by their local media and government officials during the last decades has reached such proportions, that their (mis)information has mounted to such blatant heights, that the rest of the world doesn't understand anymore, that such media machinations are accepted at such a huge scale in a nation crowded with supposedly intelligent citizens, who visited the moon, who gave us many great inventions, who wrote great books and produced so many great films.

.....

What you americans have in your country is 100% Communism under the guise of a free market capitalist system.Edited by: SomeOne

yes, this is what I said about the free chioce of people in modern society in another thread. Thier free choice in regaurd to using (and legalizing) drugs.

basically i gave this analagy:

If you had never eaten chicken in your life. And every day since you could understand words, I told you that chicken tasted terrible, and that if you ate it you would become the most obeice person you could imagine. also you would very likely become a compulsive eater after just trying chicken once. You would spend all your money and time on buying and eatting chicken. This would result in you being the most misarable and deficient human being you can be.

now after years of this, you are old enoughf to think with you own grey matter and decide what you will do.

one day, someone offers you a fried chicken leg, or you can have a juicy tender thigh. you "DO" have the choice one way or the other. you can take it and eat it, no one will find out you ate the chicken. but you "KNOW" that the chicken tastes TERRIBLE, and that it will certainly make you a super obeice and missarable person. So in light of these ""FACTS"" , you don't take the chicken and go on to support the anti-chicken movement, and believe solidly in the "war on poultry".

you did have the choice either way right?... WRONG!!!!

your choice was based on certain ""FACTS"", that were not facts at all. Thus this was NOT FREE CHIOCE. You were led by the false information.

that is why this is indead far worse than any other kind of propaganda. the nazi propaganda was more evil, but it was destroyed because people could see that it was blaitantly evil and WRONG.

However, "the war on drugs" (and its related anti-drug drives), are all false and pure bullshit, yet they are passed off as RIGHT and GOOD. the unwitting and un-informed masses follow this blindly as the right thing, and as a good cause. it is evil-bullshit-propaganda, dressed up as "the governmenty looking out for your best interest".

chew on that...

anyone for chicken?

[FrankenChrist]

Buddha was way ahead of y'all.