Culture - Who says DEA is ineffective??

[vantranist]

Because it seems like they did a pretty good job cleaning it up, getting kids discuraged from it, and making it hard to expensive to find.

If you Lived in Socal in the 80's 90's and did speed you should notice?

SWIM Didnt get into meth untill 2006 but it seems it was as dead as its ever gonna 2005+.

He understands it used to be way more common, higher purity and cheaper back in the day. How many speed freaks were tweaking back then, could you tell us how it has changed over the years?

obvously you can still get it but who wants to add?

Really ur opinion is only important if u live in Cali, or a few other US states.

It seems when the government actually wants to shut down a drug they don't have much trouble... Perhaps not enogh money can be made with speed since it was all Independent Labs... No real drug lords to bust and money to seized.

[fiveleggedrat]

Amphetamine and Methamphetamine users Swim knows report WAY better product in the 80's and 90's. Today, almost all Swim's older aged tweaker friends complain about how hard it is to find, much less find good stuff.

Swim also says that the drug dealing chain for meth, for example, is very different than the traditional drug chains.

Current day speed/meth users have very low standards. Commonly, he hears how they prefer propylhexedrine and such over methamphetamine because the meth is such poor quality.

However, almost all drug markets are going up in price and down in quality. This is consistent.

Swim keeps up with the local, state, national, and global drug economies. He is fascinated by them.

[SmokingBowls420]

Swims foaf, whose been smoking for 10 years told his fish that the prices have gone way up, to the point where he almost wants to quit for the fact that what took to get a gram now gets swim .40 grams of lower purity....Swims foaf says its because of the mexican mafia (if there is such a thing and for the sake of swims life he swears there is no such thing) becoming the main Cali supplier, as well as the fact that they had a flood in mexico, fucking up most of their labs, the shit should get cookin in a year or two though, so prices will go down, but as for purity, it might go up....However, the days of 20 hits for .20 grams is forever gone except in rare cases or Hawaii....Swim knows foaf's whove had foaf's who cooked the shit, nobody wants to sell pure dope though, since as soon as the pigs find some pure meth, they will snoop to the ends of the earth because its a slap in the face to what they've done to meth so far...Hence, even if swiy could be getting it 1-2 steps down from a cook, swiy would never know because most cooks are scared to sell pure shit.

[Dexyfiend]

No drug will EVER be beaten completley. The besat the authorities can do is make it so rare and expensive for it to be impractical for most people.

[old hippie 56]

Meth was better in the 80s, it does not do the trick nowadays. Ain't worth the trouble to locate.

[fiveleggedrat]

Off topic, but with cocaine dealers, same thing. They are afraid to sell pure, but only because it attracts attention from other jealous low level dealers.

The cocaine dealing world is a mess, they all rob each other for supply.

Hitting Licks, as they call it, is just a fancy way to put robbing each other.

[cra$h]

going along the lines of a dead drug, PCP is on its deathbed. the only way you're going to find it anymore is in false-marketed weed.

[jord4n007]

pcp wasn't really killed by the dea.... It was just a fad, too extreme for main stream, and therefore not very profitable...

[cosmicruler]

"Because it seems like they did a pretty good job cleaning it up, getting kids discuraged from it, and making it hard to expensive to find"

thats called market control,rather than actually 'cleaning up the streets' ......

Given the fact the DEA and CIA have flooded the US streets with high grade Heroin and cocaine for many,many years,getting there own troops addicted during times of war and then flooding markets and jacking prices,swim doubts very much that the DEA has cleaned the streets of Methamphetamine.....unless of course its cutting into their heroin and coke profits...?

and in relation to the harder to get etc comment,swim isnt from the states but given the fact that recipes for making meth are readily available and plentiful online and the fact that precursors are available at hardware stores,swim finds this hard to believe.

Prices of course have increased since the 80s,as they have for ALL drugs!

and access to information on cleaning/recrystallisation TEks is easily available online also so why dont swiys just clean there product!?

[vantranist]

"and in relation to the harder to get etc comment,swim isnt from the states but given the fact that recipes for making meth are readily available and plentiful online and the fact that precursors are available at hardware stores,swim finds this hard to believe."

This is no longer true.

SWIY cannot go off what swim reads on websites and info from the DEA.

whats happening on the streets is a truely different story.

The majority of meth on the streets in the US is no longer made in domestic labs by small time cooks.

Its now a done by drug lords in other countries who can actually make it for a reasonable cost, and have the capabilitys of supplying the drug on the large scale.

Some one please correct swim if he is wrong.

Meth being made by anyone anywhere is really a thing of the 80's and early 90's.

[cosmicruler]

"Its now a done by drug lords in other countries who can actually make it for a reasonable cost, and have the capabilitys of supplying the drug on the large scale."

So surely these drug lords have access to lab equipment and lab grade precursers,and can therefor produce a higher quality product than that of the home cooks using regeant grade(hardware) chemicals of the 80s and 90s!?

[jord4n007]

yes, but they usually cut the piss out of it
there are still US based meth labs, but most of the cooks don't know how to clean their ephedrine worth shit these days
the best dope you are gonna get is probably gonna be from a veteran birch cook inside the US - with the ephedrine/psuedoephedrine semi-ban....good luck finding such a source

[vantranist]

Yes exactly ^^^

It may still be made in the U.S. but just not made by shit over the counter these days...

which was ur whole point wassent it? it can be made so easily because it can all be purchased OTC by anyone??

I garentee the meth u buy in the US ( at least Western U.S.) is not made by cooks who get there shit OTC.

The average quality of meth siezed while coming over the border or thats being smuggled into the country on the large scale is about 40%