Dose - Safe amount of MDMA per dose?

[Tweak322]

What is a safe amount of the powdered mdma that should be put into a capsule? I was thinking about buying size "3" (324mg) capsules and filling with 250mgs of mdma or would this be to much?

Any advise? thanks

[Fantasian]

Many would consider 250mg verging on toxic in terms of dosage range but everyone has their own tolerance and natural sensativity to the drug.

Normal dosage ranges from 100mg for a low recreational dose all the way to 180mg for quite a heavy dose. Beyond this most find the side effects ie feeling overstimulated, jittery and other amphetamine like effects increase without a suitable increase of euphoria gained from the more serotogenic side.

Most good quality ecstacy pills have roughly 80-100mg of MDMA in them

SWIF uses a dosage of 140mg most times when he goes out with a booster of another 60mg if required but often it isnt.

SWIF doesnt know much it terms of capsules he's always "bombed" powdered drugs which involves wrapping them in a rizzla and swallowing the rizzla whole. but he would imagine it's the same.

[old hippie 56]

Agree, 250mg is too much. Stick with 100-125mg.

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good advice on dosage

[freshacejay]

depends on what safe means. swim took 1,5 grams the other night (1500 mgs) wasnt a good idea but he felt fine in terms of physical health. Swim would recomend 100-200 mgs as a nice dosage. Depends on your tolerance 100 for low and 200 for high. DO NOT BE AS STUPID AS SWIM and take more than 300 mg!!!!!!

[Shampoo]

Most people feel that with many drugs, especially MDMA, there is a 'sweet-spot' to be reached rather than applying a more is better philosophy. Many users say that the 'gold standard' MDMA dose is ~120mg with a 62.5mg booster at t+2:00 hours. Higher doses tend to elicit higher side effect profiles as mentioned above which include dehydration, jitters, anxiety, dysphoria, confusion, physical discomfort, nausea...etc.

Freshacejay, 1500mg is a very excessive and dangerous dose, please tell your friend to be much more careful in the future as doses like that can lead to a user becoming an unfortunate statistic and further demonizing a relatively benign chemical.

[KomodoMK]

SWIM tends to dose 150mg orally and 10 minutes after ~50mg intranasally... this gives one hell of a come up and a ride. SWIM is very experienced with MDMA but only uses once every 3-6 months now. (Lesson learned...)

That said, it doesn't mean it's the right dose for everyone, we are all different. It always pays to remember you can always up the dose but you can't reduce. Play it safe.

[robertone]

Swim once had the opertunity to ask groups of people which [starting] dose of MDMA they preferred. It turned out that they preferred 125 mg on small parties (mostly privat with about 20 people) and 110 mg on mega parties.

[Tweak322]

Thank you all for your replies.

[freshacejay]

@ shampoo:lesson learned dude, lesson learned. Swim had one of the most akward nights ever. Swim will NOT ever do any dose higher than 300 mg per night. The sad thing is swim knew a safe dose and ignored fellow swimmers advice. Is it a valueble lesson learned? no, he already knew. Is it dumb as f**k, yes.

@Tweak, glad we could help.

[rintoul]

SWIM was at the complete stone roses concert in Edinburgh last weekend and managed to get hold of some MDMA. SWIM who had been out drinking since 1pm before the concert which started about 8pm, so stupidly when very very drunk decided to just swallow the whole gram in a one go. Looking back at it SWIM was stupid but still had a fecking brilliant night.

Could anyone enlighten me on how much the average MDMA user takes at a time or throughout the night?

cheers guys

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dude, thats just silly. I know you know this but still, A whole gram in one go!?! Ur lucky to still be here.

[RaverHippie]

a safe, reasonable amount is anywhere from 75-175mg for many people. This bit of information gets thrown by the wayside in many UK clubs, dance parties, and festivals all the time unfortunately. While some neurons got fried due to the neurotoxicity of MDMA, SWIY will be fine with time. SWIY's mood will likely be affected by the recent events for a few weeks, just as a warning. Other side-effects may manifest themselves since serotonin is used for an awful lot of htings in the body.

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good post

[robin_himself]

Yeah raverhippie is right. The dose is much lower then swiy took. A gram is far to much, also it would be a good idea to know for sure what's in swims drugs. If you don't know for sure what you have, swallowing a whole gram of powder/crystals could be very dangerous.

[Wierd Logic]

Monkey knows several people who have done this all of whom got very very mashed indeed. Although they were all fine I'd assume that its bringing their bodies pretty close to the most it can handle...

[Samadhi]

ah hypertensive crisis... I can smell it.

please be aware that this chemical is a stimulant with a methamphetamine skeleton. A normal dose is better than larger doses because the stimulant effects will get harsher the higher the dose goes.

Glad swiy is okay though.

[discjunkie313]

Yeah swidj is glad swim ok as well..and luckily what he had appears to have been clean..any dirt at all..swim probably wouldnt be here right now...even as swihippie described at high dose of 175 mg..thats like 5 doses at once..no need, a waste, and potentially dangerous-DJ

[Koak]

Originally Posted by discjunkie313

Yeah swidj is glad swim ok as well..and luckily what he had appears to have been clean..any dirt at all..swim probably wouldnt be here right now...even as swihippie described at high dose of 175 mg..thats like 5 doses at once..no need, a waste, and potentially dangerous-DJ

If swiy can roll five good times on 175 mg of MDMA my monkey is very jealous.

[fonogoodreason]

bear in mind your mdma might well have been shit

[Cryptic Concoction]

1.5-2 mg/kg is a typical dose of MDMA. This was indeed a very imprudent decision.

[discjunkie313]

kodak..that's not what swim said.. 1 gram is 1000mg..175mg X 5rolls..equals close to that..my parrot would be jealous 2, lol-DJ

[KomodoMK]

Ideal dose (sweet spot) is reported to be 110-125mg for most. Little fishy likes more for the initial dose and maybe one top up dose later on. However, years ago little fishy didn't know what he knows now and has probably easily dosed over 1.5g in an 8 hour period if not more with little to no problems.

All I would say, is if you have only just started to use the substance, drop the dose significantly and only use 2-3 times a year. When that magic goes (and it seems it does for everyone eventually) it will be a very sad time indeed. And most never seem to get it back regardless of how long they abstain.

If any chemical should be treated with the up most respect - this one is it!

[Cryptic Concoction]

With one gram of MDMA, assuming that no tolerance is in effect, I would speculate that the majority of people will have already reached the peak of their dose response curve (for desired effects) prior to one gram. This, of course, assumes that the desired effects are euphoria, empathy, and other positive subjective mood alterations.

Thus, using a gram of MDMA would serve to drastically increase the adverse side effects of MDMA, including, but not limited to, tachycardia, increased blood pressure, dehydration, muscular tension, and hyperthermia.

Once one reaches the peak of his or her dose reponse curve, increasing the dosage simply will not significantly increase the desired effects.

SWIY should take great solace in knowing that he survived his venture, especially considering his large dose was combined with alcohol. While there appears to be conflicting claims regarding the therapeutic index of MDMA, the risks associated with hyperthermia and dehydration significantly increase as dose mounts.

Of course, doses can vary dramatically from person to person...

While I would not state that 1g would be necessarily toxic, it does seem likely that it would significantly increase the adverse side effects associated with MDMA and amplify the potential dangers.

I may be wrong, but this seems like a dangerous dose, especially given that the actual composition of the drug purported to be MDMA was not known...

[Boca Bitch]

I would like to point out the potential danger of serotonin syndrome. I strongly discourage SWIY from taking such a high dosage!

This life threatening condition, which usually results in death when fully developed, is known to be most likely to be caused by multiple triggers that release high levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin. Because it's doubtful that SWIY will be taking pure MDMA, one gram may prove to be lethal, should it be any combination of MDMA and other amphetamines.

Please, tell SWIY to carefully consider the potential consequences before taking a whole gram.

Information in plain English may be found on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome
Which has sources listed from medical studies and journals.

[Micklemouse]

We're agreed that taking a whole gram is a bad idea then? Cool. Topic closed.

Edit: A Little More Explanation. This forum is primarily about harm reduction, not the relative merits of taking heroic doses of hardcore stimulants. It is widely accepted that large doses of MDMA can result in highly uncomfortable & potentially dangerous situations. Serotonin syndrome has been mentioned, as has hypertensive crisis. Hyperthermia is an increased risk, as is increased water intake leading to hyponatraemia (water intoxication, well covered in various places on this forum). Also mentioned has been disinhibition & loss of control, which while possibly amusing can lead to sketchy scrapes, & also mask more serious complications (see above).

As such I can see no debate about this topic. Taking a gram of MDMA is not a good idea.

[killernet]

Hi all...
SWIM tried their first ever capsule of mdma on Saturday night, and they have taken pills for probably the last 3 years or so. SWIM was quite nervous, as they have never taken pure mdma, and they must say... what an experience! It made SWIM contemplate not ever bothering with pills again. You dont realise how poor some pills are untill you try this. SWIM had quite a small amount also, the capsule was quite small and wasnt even half full! And i dont mean to sound cheesy... but in the past when Iv heard people talk about their ecstasy experiences from the early 90s, and they said how you feel full of empathy and so close to everyone around you and its all about you and the music, well i use to think, yeah right!! But thats exactly how SWIM felt
SWIM didnt leave the dancefloor for over 4 hours, and it felt like their feet were moving themselves, they discovered moves they didnt even know they had!!

[killernet]

The other day SWIM bought some ibuprofen capsules (the cheapest pack of capsules he could find!) to be emptied out, and they had 200mg of ibuprofen in, and SWIM thought that that looked like loads! when SWIM tried mdma in a capsule the other weekend there was only a tiny amount compared to that. Anything more than what SWIM had would have blown SWIM's head off!! ;-)