The Cure - Ibogaine for drug addiction.

[Ellis D.]

Originally Posted by Dickon

What I'm trying to get at is this: is Iboga an effective treatment because of the psychedelic experience in itself or does it have specific efficacy as a treatment for opiate addiction? Personally I'm sceptical that it's a wonder cure, but addiction is a difficult disease to treat and the more arrows in the medical community's quiver the better peoples chances.

Ibogaine works in the same receptor sites as opiates. So if SWIY is withdrawing and SWIY takes Ibogaine, SWIYs withdrawals will go away because the ibogaine is filling the same recoptor sites as doing some H or any other opiate would fill. Once the main ibogaine exp is finished it leaves Noribogaine (sp) in your brain which will last for months and will help SWIY feel better and not so depleted from SWIYs opiate use. The interesting thing is it is completely non addictive so once you do Ibogaine you won't have to do more, even though it fills the opiate receptor sites SWIY does not become addicted to Ibogaine, like SWIY would by switching from one opiate to another. it's more like pressing a reset button.

In terms of it being a cure, it is not a cure but it is the closest thing to a cure. It simply breaks the addiction, giving one a second chance at sobriety. Depending on how long SWIY has been using SWIY will still feel some mental craving to want to use, but there will be no physical addiction.

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Although there is some opiate receptor activity, this certainly isn't the primary mechanism of action. Ibogaine is not l...

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by Dickon

SWIM used LSD quite often when using opiates, and often ended up interupting my habit for a few days. I wonder, but very much doubt, whether any one has done a (double blind placebo controlled) comparison between LSD and Iboga, or between Iboga and other psychedelics of comparable strength.

What I'm trying to get at is this: is Iboga an effective treatment because of the psychedelic experience in itself or does it have specific efficacy as a treatment for opiate addiction? Personally I'm sceptical that it's a wonder cure, but addiction is a difficult disease to treat and the more arrows in the medical community's quiver the better peoples chances.

SWIM noticed a similar thing with mushrooms and opiates. He would feel very positive after tripping and not feel like he needed heroin for a couple days. He is doing a fast taper again and really wants to try a mushroom trip after getting totally clean as an experiment to overcome cravings, get a positive afterglow, and see if it helps sort out some heroin issues.

If he can pull it off he'll try and write it up for the benefit of others here.

EDIT: Oppps, didn't see how old that post was. Ah well.

[0utrider]

you might wanna give a look at this thread and help me make the article better please
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ighlight=iboga

[0utrider]

did he detox before or did he still have w/d symptoms? makes a big difference, if not w/d symptoms, no need for that a high dosage afaik

[Ellis D.]

Originally Posted by outriderx

did he detox before or did he still have w/d symptoms? makes a big difference, if not w/d symptoms, no need for that a high dosage afaik

SWIM isn't too sure what you mean...SWIM was addicted to heroin and went from using a 4+ times a day to not using at all,(tripping on Ibogaine over night), without any withdrawals because of Ibogaine.

[0utrider]

yeah thats what i meant. iboga is also very good, if you detox before, so you are "clean" when tripping, then you won't need a high dosage, 15mg / kg is perfectly (more than) enough

outriderx added 1 Minutes and 5 Seconds later...

on the other hand, thats also exactly what iboga is good for, making withdrawal easier.
however, how lang has SWIY been clean? has he been clean? what about other drugs?

[missparkles]

Originally Posted by Ellis D.

If you are skeptical please do some google-ing and you will be amazed at the 100% successful ability to cure that this substance has for all addictions, it even cures hepatitis and herpes! Praise nature:

Sparkles just wants to point out the total inaccuracy of the highlighted sentence. To say it can cure Hepatitis and Herpes, is dangerous. People could become seriously ill, even die, believing this BS. Touting it as a cure for certain "incurable" diseases is irresponsible, it just preys on the fear and vulnerability of desperate people. The OP was either misinformed, uninformed...or fuckin' chloroformed when they wrote this.
Whilst Ibogaine may be suitable treatment for some people's addictions, it isn't suitable for everyone. The fact that the OP has dabbled with heroin since the Ibogaine therapy proves it's not perfect. Any addiction treatment is just part of the whole process. Get rid of the substance of abuse and the mindset, behaviour and lifestyle remain. These must be changed to ensure an addicts best chance at recovery.
Sparkles.

[Wehr]

Swim thinks the op may be employed by an ibogaine clinic or be involved with 1 in some way i.e an affiliate. Sounds to swim like he's making a pitch to sell a product. It all just sounds to good to be true.

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Perceptive post.

[missparkles]

Originally Posted by Wehr

Swim thinks the op may be employed by an ibogaine clinic or be involved with 1 in some way i.e an affiliate. Sounds to swim like he's making a pitch to sell a product. It all just sounds to good to be true.

Sparkles totally agrees. But recovery is about enabling others to live healthier lives, not giving dangerous info that might kill them. Next the OP will be saying it cures HIV.
Take care.
Sparkles.

[Highland.habit]

SWIM knows a couple of people who have gone down the Iboga route, one who's Docu about it was on BBC, he as far as SWIM knows is still of the methadone and has been since his Iboga treatment. He got this in london about 7 hrs ago, but due to out lovely authorities over here this treatement is no longer alloowed from these particular geezers. They were charging just under £2k for the 3 day treatment. Which is nothing if it mreans cleaning up, but SWIM does know not everyone can get their hands on this kind of money without stopping off at their dealers house,

He knows another fella who recently went to Holland where their is a Girl who does the treatment over their(or she did last he heard), he has heard nothing abut good stories about her & the way she does the treatment also.

SWIM knows for a fact their are some dodgy one's out their trying to cash in on the quick buck of giving iboga treatments & ripping of addicts in the process. SWIM thinks that anyone looking to go down this route should really read up on who they are using first before going for it. He also thinks that one night and 2 days is not enough time for a proper Iboga treatment but could be wrong. As from what he was aware this is a 2 days & 2 night's at least treatment, evemn though the trip last 36 hrs, you need a recovery period, at the very least.

Basically SWIM thinks anyone looking to go down this route should do their homework on who they are using first before jumping into something which may just be just a quicker way to spend one's dough than using, and it wont be long before they are using again, if they go down the wrong route.

Some of the bad Iboga stories that SWIM has heard came from people going to ex eastern block countries to get the treatment, and most using within a week of being back as the Iboga treatment has not been used properly.


You tube has some interesting Iboga stuff. If anyone wants to know what the Dutch Girls Chanel is, to check PM me, as i dont want to put her name up here, just in case, it's against the many rules.

[cowsgomoo]

ive been addicted to drugs for many many years. ive been to rehab twice and it hasnt done much good, although i was forced to go..

i would like to give this ibogaine a try, yet its sooo fuckin expensive!

is thier anyway i could just buy the rootbark over the internet and save money that way? as a usa citizen, i understand it is illegal to possess iboga products, so could i just visit mexico and order some there?????
?

[adam7050]

Originally Posted by missparkles

Sparkles just wants to point out the total inaccuracy of the highlighted sentence. To say it can cure Hepatitis and Herpes, is dangerous. People could become seriously ill, even die, believing this BS. Touting it as a cure for certain "incurable" diseases is irresponsible, it just preys on the fear and vulnerability of desperate people. The OP was either misinformed, uninformed...or fuckin' chloroformed when they wrote this.
Whilst Ibogaine may be suitable treatment for some people's addictions, it isn't suitable for everyone. The fact that the OP has dabbled with heroin since the Ibogaine therapy proves it's not perfect. Any addiction treatment is just part of the whole process. Get rid of the substance of abuse and the mindset, behaviour and lifestyle remain. These must be changed to ensure an addicts best chance at recovery.
Sparkles.

MisSparkles took the words out of my mouth. well put. One of the 1st things I learned when I started learning about addiction, is that anyone claiming that their "special, magic" program has a 80, 90 or 100% sucess rate.... I'm on my way, yeah. . But by the time I read that I was still laughing about the Hepetitus and Herpes Cure. I cant even spell Hepatitus and only continued reading out of amusement. I've been reading only for 2 days about this, from You Tube News casts, to this forum, and just googling it, trying to form my own opinion. So Far, I agree a lot of what Ms Sparkles had to say, and if I can add, Ir appears to be somewhat effective to what degree, who really knows just yet, but the bigger picture is that progress has been made, and it's certainly not a bad thing.

[Odie2Short]

Jeeze Ellis.... Your really pushing this Ibogaine shit eh.... Talking about how other people are government or wrong because there against the drug, but you wont take ANY criticism at all... Kind of odd. Wouldn't surprise me if you weren't a guy making 3 - 8K every time a helpless addict comes your way... just promoting your business... I'm just saying... Be open to criticism if your going to preach it.

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good points made, you have to be open to all ideas.

[outdoorbob]

There is a clinic in Vancouver, B.C. and an Ibogaine group? society? in Victoria.