Setting - FIRST TIME.. ALONE?? reccomendations from anyone who drops alone..

[nichole]

hello all.
everyone will say to have a sitter when you do acid.. at least the first time..

swim is planning on trying cid, has a tab in the freezer and is waiting for a good time to use it. however swim isnt sure theyll be able to have a sitter and doesnt want to wait for the other person to have time..
swim is contemplating just droppng it on their own..
any opinions on that? should swim be alright?
what kind of place should swim go to drop? what should swim do while on it, keep in mind while being alone.

basically, anyone who drops alone, what do you do? where does your mind go? reccomendations please..

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Your thread helped to bring up important points about tripping alone versus with a sitter

[Nature Boy]

I would strongly recommend AGAINST dropping on your own as a first time user. Unless you have a very good handle of similar psychedelics like magic mushrooms, mescaline cactus or research chemicals, there's no way you can be prepared for what is typically an overwhelming and long-lasting experience. Even if you and a couple of trusted friends have no schooling in psychedelics, at least dropping in a group will allow you to share the trip and talk through any possible rough patches that might arise. A disillusioned individual tripping on their lonesome might be a recipe for disaster unless they have an uncanny ability not to over-react when their mind faculties are put to the test. Is that a risk you want to take?

[Richard_smoker]

in my earlier years, i've known of a handful of people who have experienced acid for the first time, by themselves...some experiences were glowing experiences, filled with phenomenal insight into otherwise everyday objects...but one was a tad frightening...and the individual thought that he 'saw' satan cut into the top of his head, followed by a flock of demons flying into his brain...needless to say, he was messed-up for several months after the experience.

So, there's a good chance you will NEED the comfort & companionship & sanity of another person to reassure you, for example, that you're not GOING CRAZY!!

think twice...LSD is a very powerful drug. and in some ways, it can be a very SOBERING drug--if that makes any sense whatsoever (especially when done by oneself)...don't jump into something that you're going to regret for the next 8 hours!

whether or not you'll have a good experience is a total coin toss...it could be great to be alone...to explore your thoughts on your environment, your life, etc...but then again, it could be a terrifying experience that may have long-term consequenses on your psychological well-being.

a 'sitter' wouldn't necessarily prevent a 'bad trip'...unfortunately, this is an aspect of the drug that you just wouldn't understand until you've been there...in fact, i have NO IDEA how to put into words what I'm trying to warn you about...just know that the presence of another person can be VERY calming and reassuring to the first-timer...another person can mean the difference in laughing at something as opposed to crying in the corner, rocking back and forth...

Personally, I wouldn't be so concerned about jumping out of a window--but then again, this could happen if you were to get SO wrapped up in a false, negative delusion--and you didn't have anyone else to reassure you that the devil doesn't live inside you, for example...

I'd recommend against it, at least until you've experienced what the drug is all about.

does anyone else have an opinion on this?

-DICK

[nichole]

alright, thanks for the feedback.. i think swim is going to wait to find a sitter... im definitely looking forward to see what swim will experience.

[tryptamaster]

swim dropped acid for the first time alone and same with srhooms. swim has never had a bad trip on any psychedelic. Swim thinks jsut being calm, opitmistic, and senseible will leave you fine. But a sitter wuld robbaly make the trip more comfortable anyway.

[Mammon]

For what it's worth SWIM first took a load of shrooms on his own and loved it. However, that guy has always been extremely hungry for new drug experiences and absolutely wanted weird stuff to happen.

If SWIY is only curious SWIM would split whatever amount is there and do it with one of his really good friends.

He repeats, though, that to enjoy LSD or shrooms you should read a bit about what happens and really, really want to go somewhere extreme.

[Jatelka]

Is it me, or are there a lot (well, at least 2!) of threads asking for advice re solo trips today?

I suggest UTFSE

[Debris]

My first time acid was alone, I wouldn't recommend it but I tried almost every drug on my own. First it was very disapoiting, and I was thinking of going to sleep because it wasn't very interesting. But after a few hours I was tripping pretty hard.
I was sitting at my computer, it was no problem till I couldn't read the letters anymore. Then I almost started to panic. But I just walked away from the computer to calm a little. And 15minutes later everything was back normal.

You can do acid alone, but I wouldn't recommend.
And I think you have to be strong, mental.
Just believe in yourself and remember, it's all in your head .

[leadcoffin]

The priestess prefers to be alone, since other people who aren't tripping tend to function differently than a person who is. However, the state of the passenger dictates. Pink Floyd -- OK. Teletubbies -- OK. Nightmare on Elm Street -- NOT I repeat NOT OK.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by Debris

My first time acid was alone, I wouldn't recommend it but I tried almost every drug on my own. First it was very disapoiting, and I was thinking of going to sleep because it wasn't very interesting. But after a few hours I was tripping pretty hard.
I was sitting at my computer, it was no problem till I couldn't read the letters anymore. Then I almost started to panic. But I just walked away from the computer to calm a little. And 15minutes later everything was back normal.

You can do acid alone, but I wouldn't recommend.
And I think you have to be strong, mental.
Just believe in yourself and remember, it's all in your head .

I'm sure SWIY is talking about their friend right ....remember to read the rules about self incrimination and use SWIM or something similar

[mondaybar]

Swim think's that lsd isn't a drug you're supposed to consume on your own; experienced or not. It's best to do it with other people.

[xpacificsynergyx]

dont listen to hearsay
read Albert Hofmann
LSD My problem child

Its a free book online from the inventor of lsd a research chemist

It;s about informative use

the book helps you understand

dont listen to Hearsay
SWIM dropped the first time solo and then with " friends" but he usually ended up wondering away from these " friends" SWIM thinks he noticed the stupidity and childlike behaviors SWIM think that he was a more serious individual SWIM has grown to be able to drop comfortably solo he feels as if it is safer at this point in his life not having any friends and the social network is one of " haha thats funnyling it always seems seems to be turns out lame most of the time i always get to like people act all cool around but then some other will come along with their hearsay "hesaidshesaid" then im thinking well you can act cool in front of me but i guess yur really a lame cause you can talk those things but not directly to me are i think to myself u scared or lame late thatswhy i mostly dont care what any1 says

xpacificsynergyx added 84 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

btw to answer the rest


somewhere that SWIM has been before at a river/creek somewhere where it is national park or something not private land

bring supplies for a nights stay preferably in a vehicle you can comfortable lay in
make a bed SWIY;s good to have a bed ready before and be ready to stay put for about a half a day and take a nap later!
this place swiys can drive down or into and no ones usually there and if their is SWIM just minds his own find his own area

this place is cool to be at SwiyS enjoy SWIYs arent goin to be disturbed

swim goes to this part of the river thats 10 miles out of town and its a unpaved road off the highway that falls along the riverside but in the canyon so you are secluded

sWIM has parked there many times its a usual spot for a chill person to be a cop has drove through in daily rounds SWIM was just chillin didnt act concerned didnt mind him and that was that and SWIM kept in mind that if anything did arise that its just a little trippity trip & a lil weeds aint on dope SWIMs just chilling watching nature life with enhanced senses tonight SWIYS likes the mid afternoon into dusk enhancements prefreablly all of lifes

swim has parked here ready for a nights stay w blankets food h20 a heater be ready to be aS swiy;S AS POSSIBLE
hehe
be comfortable be cool relax walk out learn and take a pee

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	good advice! I'm going to read your book suggestion!
	exellent post!

[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by [B

leadcoffin[/b];456263]The priestess prefers to be alone, since other people who aren't tripping tend to function differently than a person who is. However, the state of the passenger dictates. Pink Floyd -- OK. Teletubbies -- OK. Nightmare on Elm Street -- NOT I repeat NOT OK.

lol, this is really great advice!

...kudos on taking the time and effort to be very specific about something that is practically IMPOSSIBLE to explain (to someone who's never been there), and for that I give you big props!

oh, and xpacificsynergyx--nice addition to the thread...i'm surprised to see that this is only your second posting here...pretty good and relevant for a newbie! now that you mention it, i am reminded of the "first LSD experience ever"...and if I remember correctly, it was supposedly GLORIOUS, right?? ...ha, the world's longest bike-ride home from work? CAN YOU IMAGINE?? Not knowing WTF was going on!??

-DICKO

*btw, i got a really funny story about a kid i knew & one of his "hobbies" that included LSD & NOT following this advice! I'll post it into a new thread when i get a chance...

[Raoul duke420]

swim says go for it man. Swim fried alone the first time and had a wonderful trip, and always has ever since, swim needs some herb, some good music and a good enviorment and its good to go.

[Lobsang]

SWIM would say that it totally depends on how one feels. It might be good to take it with someone who was also tripping. It might be better alone. Just depends. But eventually one will have to enter the deep dark forest alone.

[calmurphy17]

swim quite often drops acid on his own and has a thouroughly good time but it is good if swiy is with others that are on it as well, as for a first time, swim doesnt feel able to advise,its up to the individual,for instance the first time swim done acid was witha friend,swim made the beginners mistake and took far too much and lost his mind and although he didnt have abad trip it was good to have someone there in the same boat but the first time swim done mushys was by swimself and it was all good.personally swim would just go for it if he couldnt get someone else to do it with him but then thats just swim...

[Panthers007]

SWIM will decide what he decides. But SWIM is advised to cover all bases. If the green-light is given for a solo first-time, have a friend on call via phone who can drop over and listen if such is wished. Or make SWIM a salad and some juice.

[Lobsang]

Yeah...That's what SWIM needed on his trips. A salad and juice maker. Well maybe one in sexy lingerie with crotchless panties. yeah..One that would be on call. So SWIM could be by himself, do art, play electric guitar, commune with nature alone and then when the time was right make the call. Oh God...If SWIM knew then what he knows now.

[Greenport]

SwiM thinks that this drug is something that can be done alone - but it shouldn't be done alone the first time. At the VERY VERY least, tell swiY to have a person she trusts on her phone that she can call or text if things go amiss. Make sure that person knows ahead of time of the situation, and have the number easily accessible so that swiY isn't stuck trying to figure out how to work her phone for 3 hours (texting is hard b/c it always seems like what swiY is trying to say doesn't make sense and the msg constantly becomes erased...when something does go through it's usually something completely pointless )

The issue is loneliness. Feeling lonely when swiY's feelings are brought to the forefront of all emotion means it can spiral the person into feeling upset...and upset feelings could change the room to a dark reddish tint and have satan chase you around with a flaming pitchfork.

SwiM knew a person who did it on her own once. She said it was one of the best experiences of her life and that she was able to fly through some kind of space-time continum and see all kinds of past/future events as well as see the now, in different places. She said that she was able to connect to the thoughts of people around the whole world. There was a lot she was telling me but it's beyond the scope of this thread. Anyways she actually enjoyed being in touch with herself but swiM thinks she was taking a risk by doing it.

[sirdrugalot]

swim highly advises you not to take acid of any sort alone.
swim is no expert on acid hes taking it about seven times over a period of 10 years. every time it freaked him out swim just dont have the right kinda head for it.
the last time swim took acid it was by him self it was august or september 04
swim had become very paranoid from about 8 years of heavy dope smoking and taking other drugs. he was thinking all sorts of shit like people could read his mind, like he was saying his thoughts out loud. he thought people were talking about him, swim would be in the pub or standing in a in a shop and would think people were talking about him in some sort of code and laughing at him. swim never left the house for about 6 months, and had stopped smoking dope and taking any drugs or alcohol. swim was on effexor rx. swim did not tell his doc about what was going on in his head because he thought he would be locked up or some shit.
any how swim stopped taking his effexor went to a near by field and picked 50 liberty caps, swim knew it was a bad idea but any way he munched 20 of them was sitting there after about 1 hour. he felt not a thing so he munched the other 30.
about 5 minutes after taken the other 30 he was sitting on an arm chair in the kitchen next thing the kitchen table started sinking into the chairs and the most sever anxiety swim ever felt hit him like a ton of bricks. probably because he knew what was instore for him. swim completely lost his mind and was about to hang himself out in the garden all he could hear was a screaming sound of all the scrape metal in the garden and the crows round the garden ripping his eyes open with there yelling. but swim could not go back inside it was worse in there.
after about 4 or 5 hours of this which seemed like 4 or 5 days swim started to clam down. the strangest thing happened then after what swim had just been through his paranoia seemed like the silliest little problem. it made swim value his life and sanity. it snapped swim out of his paranoia and the next day he went out got him self a job and swims been fine ever since.
it was all most like some kind of force drove swim to go out and pick the mushy's that day like it was trying to cure him.
but what ever you do dont take them by your self, that day could of killed or cured swim he was inches away from hanging him self.
do it with your friends with people you trust with your life, i mean it.
and if your having second thoughts about doing it at all dont take them trust me you will thank me for it.
i hope this helps you.

[nichole]

well swim wasnt planning on taking 50 hits.. lol. just one.. but still, the person above you kinda made swim realize that she would more than likely feel lonely and experience a bad trip if she dropped alone.

swim has a "sitter" but the thing is they're going to be completely sober.. is that going to freal swim out when she takes it? or should it be alright anyway?

[sirdrugalot]

a standard dose of liberty caps is around 30 or so swim was all ways told. there a lot smaller then most mushy's. there very comman where swim lives round aug, sept, oct they grow all over the place. mostly in fields that have not been farmed in a good few years, fields that they let cows, sheep, horses graze on (you can spot them easy in the short grass).

as for your sitter being sober swim dont know, as swim said before every time he took them he freaked. by him self, with others who were taking them, and with people who were not. swim just has not got the right kinda head for them. swim would say pick the person who you trust the most. and if you can have about 40-60mg of diazepam on hand to calm you down, in case you do start having a bad trip. (you might not need that much but its nice just to know its there).
hope this helps.

[Richard_smoker]

Nichole, sitter being completely sober is fine...

that's what a "sitter" is, traditionally, anyways... depends totally upon the way your body reacts to the experience...will probably be ok, no problems... just realize (and make sure sitter realizes) that there's a tiny chance that you might just owe that person (whoever they are) afterwards!

[d0wn3r]

The first time Duff dropped Acid was with two friends. The Acid was not very potent, of the Southern U.S. variety (which seems to be much mellower in effect in contrast to the canadian varieties which were available in the late 90's).
Eventually, Duff began to increasingly desire solitude while under the influence of LSD, under the pretext that "nobody understands."
In fact, Duff eventually came to a point where it was imperative for them to be alone on hallucinogenic drugs (specifically LSD and mushrooms); Duff simply could not descend to the same sort of ignorant wave-length which most of their friends exhibited on the drug. (The friends would have little understanding of relevance, no concept of urgency, an inability to empathize with thoughts above their normal spectrum of consciousness, an aversion and denial of ugliness in reality, etc; basically, their attitude remained one of "whoa, I'm really fucked up..." instead of using the intoxication to 'evolve' in some way.)
Duff would watch their friends participate in some mundane reality of which they were not, nor ever could be, a part of. Finally, Duff decided to distance himself from all human contact while on hallucinogenic substances, with rare exceptions. Duff would have to either find "someone who understands," or a "fuck toy," if human contact was at all desired.

Writing this, SWIM feels incoherent, and he hopes that the general message of this post can be comprehended through this fog of cerebral flatulence.

(thank you all for your patience, if you read this entire post)

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I get ya, good point

[roserjoe]

SWIM did acid alone his first time and loved it. But SWIM has also experienced a bad trip alone and been unable to contact anyone for help and it was hell.

If you do it alone make sure you've got someone to fall back on if things go bad. Otherwise you'll probably have an amazing experience.