Spiritual - philosophical view of LSD

[alessio_3]

Does anybody here believe in the "cleansing the doors of perception" view on lsd? would you believe at any point, that the world is distorted at all times, and only some times we see it as it is. Or the religious factor, which is even more scary.
The first time on LSD, swim, "realized" that the world is ruled by dark forces, which we do not yet comperhend. After a few days he realized it was just a bad trip, like a night mare that goes away a little harder.
But something just as shoking happened, the following months. Swims friends also tried it, and most of them saw the same things, scary, dark, religious, fear of demonic possesion, and shit like this.
Anybody here ever felt the same? and did it go away after 2 3 days? thanks a lot, sorry for misspelling, and note that swim only tried once.

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by alessio_3

Does anybody here believe in the "cleansing the doors of perception" view on lsd? would you believe at any point, that the world is distorted at all times, and only some times we see it as it is. Or the religious factor, which is even more scary.
The first time on LSD, swim, "realized" that the world is ruled by dark forces, which we do not yet comperhend. After a few days he realized it was just a bad trip, like a night mare that goes away a little harder.
But something just as shoking happened, the following months. Swims friends also tried it, and most of them saw the same things, scary, dark, religious, fear of demonic possesion, and shit like this.
Anybody here ever felt the same? and did it go away after 2 3 days? thanks a lot, sorry for misspelling, and note that swim only tried once.

these feelings are normal & one gets used to the acid vibes. these feelings go away as swey gets to know the drug & themselves better. it will make one think the world is different cos you are using a mind altering substance which is known to be up there out of all of them. as long as you stick to the do's & dont's while tripping swey will enjoy it more & more each time.

these feelings should go away after a few days, it's normal to analyze things experienced after each trip to try get a better understanding & perspective of them.

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good answer and advice.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by alessio_3

The first time on LSD, swim, "realized" that the world is ruled by dark forces, which we do not yet comperhend. After a few days he realized it was just a bad trip, like a night mare that goes away a little harder.
But something just as shoking happened, the following months. Swims friends also tried it, and most of them saw the same things, scary, dark, religious, fear of demonic possesion, and shit like this.
Anybody here ever felt the same?

SWIM found LSD to be intense, disconcerting at times but a beautiful experience overall. A certain level of respect has to be paid to it as first-time ego loss can be a pretty frightening sensation for most. SWIM didn't feel like that. It was a fairly liberating pursuit although he did feel a level of humbling fragility also. Religious connotations and demonic possession however? No. If he believed in that stuff he'd keep well away from LSD and would probably campaign against its use seeing as his depiction of LSD would be that of a satanist tool.

LSD requires you to let go. If you can't do this, it will scare you.

[waitingfortheworms]

i think it comes down to wether or not, religion aside, you believe God exists and created us, because if thats the case, as long as God is who he says he is in the Bible, and the Koran, and other monotheistic works because they are all practically the same, then, while humans are flawed as we clearly are that its ok and if we are repentant and listen to his teachings we can live happily and be spiritually and mentally sound

but if you believe we are here by accident and we are just some highly evolved form of life trying to make it in a world physically ruled by selfish principles only for the purpose of furthering ones self in a survival of the fittest cut throat game, then yes by the nature of economics and scarcity we are doomed to controlled by these manifest demonic forces of human nature

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good one

[Nature Boy]

Human existence is not comparable to the cut-throat survival we see in documentaries about the sub-Saharan African plains. We have a highly evolved sense of altruism that allows us to flourish in a world of verbal communication and shared technologies. This seems to be one of the most common misconceptions going around about evolution through natural selection. Although we do not see altruism at the same level in the animal kingdom, it still exists, only on a more primitive level compared to our mental superiority. This is analysed in depth in Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene. I suggest you read it.

[alessio_3]

Thanks a lot. I see you understood my problem. The thing is i am not a religious person, I believe there is something out there that we do not yet comperhend, but not God and the devil. Things like that dont bother me, at all in my everyday life. But somehow, swims first acid trip was just like that and it was a bit frightening. It slowly went away, and left a small amount of skizo paranoia, that everybody wants to hurt swim. But that faded away as well

[pseudonym0]

sounds to me like you experienced a frightening encounter with the unconscious. you shouldn't simply ride it off as 'just a bad trip'. the world and the unconscious is indeed filled with many dark forces, but they should not be feared, they should be understood and brought to balance by the light of consciousness. Jungian psychology delves deeply into this subject. Here's a link to a thread you will find interesting if you wish to explore this concept further.
http://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthr...edelics+shadow

[Songcycle67]

Yeah, this definitely sounds like unconscious bleeding into the conscious. The devils or "evil beings" may represent anything from what they're actually portraying (devils and demons) to an experience you had in the third grade on the playground. SWIM has also noticed that during LSD sessions his brain is almost *tempted* into seeing ghastly visions. It's like part of him is saying "show me some of the really crazy shit you can do" and he wants to suspend all disbelief and just have the shit scared out of him---sort of like the experience one would seek in a scary movie. He doesn't understand why this happens, but he would assume it's a basic sub-conscious desire for most humans.

As for Huxley's view of the world--SWIM's not so sure. SWIM believes that is partially true--that we can see and notice wavelengths of energy we couldn't before taking LSD. But he believes it's mostly the "mindtricks" phenomenon--i.e. seeing what you're hearing, hearing what you're tasting, etc. All of the sensual input becoming confused together into one massive system would definitely account for a lot of the visions and distortions of reality, it seems to SWIM.