Opinions - Children and LSD

[Acid_Flux]

Mother arrested after boy eats LSD-laced candy

By Associated Press

CEDAR PARK, Texas -- The mother of a 3-year-old boy was arrested after her son ate candy laced with LSD during a weekend party.

Ashli R. Freas, 22, was charged Monday with child endangerment after taking her son to a hospital. She was released Tuesday on $10,000 bond.

According to a police affidavit, Freas and her boyfriend took her son to a party at an apartment. They went outside, leaving the boy inside with another adult.

The apartment's leaseholder noticed that his roll of SweeTarts, which had been laced with the hallucinogenic drug, was open and that nine candies were missing.

Freas took her son home, then to the hospital after he began hallucinating.

Chris Van Deusen, spokesman for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, said the boy will be placed in a foster home after he's released from the hospital.

swim heard another story about a father who was arrested for giving his six-year old child acid. When the cops asked him why he did it he said; "because it's beautiful." This man seemed to think he was giving his child acid out of pure love.

I am always worried when I attend psytrance parties and see mothers pushing strollers with babies in them while obviously under the affects of some psychedelic.

I've come across various groups of modern day "hippies" in South Africa that have these comunes of chidlren running around. They're under the impression that this is an environment of "free love and free thinking," but qutie frankly...it's child abuse.

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	Good thread. :)
	interesting how stupid parents reallty can be

[newgrower]

Who would have laced candy around kids? Swim locks everything up and would never put it in a form that would be enticing to a child and would avoid taking their children into any questionable environment.

One thing swim has to give this woman credit for is taking the child to the hospital. She had to know there would be consequences. Whether it was the correct decision or not, or if she was responsible for the problem in the first place - once the mistake was made she did put her child's well being above her own.

[cra$h]

true, and from swim's point of view, it wasn't even the mother's fault. She handed the responsibility to another adult, which seems like the other adult knew about the lsd candy, or atleast someone should have known.

[Spare Chaynge]

Swim lived about 10 minutes away from where this women lives... Apparently she had taken her child over to a party and the kid got into candy laced with lsd...

sounds crazy.. but in this part of Texas.. cedar park is a suburb of Austin basically.. LSD is very very common.. Swim is not surprised by this at all. Texas anywhere outside of austin is not supportive of hippies so they all fled to austin.. Which has resulted in large amounts of psychedelics in a a city only about 700,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin,_Texas

Swim can easily imagine how this happened. Swim feels really bad about this whole thing.. The mother if she truly did not care seems like she would of just taken the kid home and let him deal with it... she sounds like a good mother who just needs to learn that drugs are everywhere and it is best to keep your kid in a controlled environment at all times or the cops will take them away..

[podge]

Originally Posted by Acid_Flux

I am always worried when I attend psytrance parties and see mothers pushing strollers with babies in them while obviously under the affects of some psychedelic.

People bring their young children to psytrance parties with them ? Thats completely bizarre in itself not to mention looking after their kids while in an altered state.

[Metomni]

Yeah, SWIM sees quite a few children at festivals too, it never ceases to amaze him when the parents are blatently out of their mind and the kids are only napping a small portion of the time. Not to mention the staggering amount of small children actually on psychedelics. It not only endangers them, but it puts a more negative view on the drugs.

[The Dreamer]

Does anyone know of any studies about the effects of LSD on young children? Is it actually harmful to them or are we all just taking the moral route here?

[newgrower]

It looks like it may not be particularly harmful. I found this study on treating Autistic Schizophrenic children with LSD. These kids were older - 6-10 years old.
http://www.erowid.org/references/ref...owDoc1&ID=2185

Results with LSD and Conclusions
A summary of the re-evaluation of the children in the course of treatment is as follows:
1. All tolerated the drug without side effects, toxic features, regressive behavior, or other untoward responses.

But I am against giving any mind alterning substance to a child except in extreme cases. I view this the same as ADHD drugs. We don't know the long term effects on brain development so the benefits should be large and demonstrable.

Parents tripping while watching children is another thing. I'm probably more overprotective than most parents in general and can't imagine having kids in such an uncontrollable situation while not being able to watch them properly. Kids have a way of getting in the way of party time but that's just part of being a parent.

That said, I remember seeing several kids on dead tour but never got the impression that they weren't being properly watched or were under the influence of any drugs. If one sober responsible adult is watching the children (preferably one of the parents or someone with children), I don't see a problem. In this story (and apparently in what others have witnessed), it doesn't sound like the child was left with a responsible adult.

[Jatelka]

For more on the historical research with LSD in Autistic Children see here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=117&id=3425

(isn't our df archive great?)

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Thanks!

[sknkv2]

A kid gets a hold of some alcohol and gets drunk and it's hilarious.

A kid gets a hold of some acid and gets high the parents are evil.

[Acid_Flux]

A kid gets a hold of some alcohol and gets drunk and it's hilarious.

A kid gets a hold of some acid and gets high the parents are evil.

uhm...what?? its definitely not hilarious when kids get hold of alcohol either.

and alcohol, although bad, does not have the psychological effects that LSD does. How would you feel if you accidentally ingested LSD and had no idea what was happening to you?

If allowing an 8-year-old watch an R18 movie is bad, imagine the psychological trauma of a bad LSD trip. that child will be messed up for the rest of his life.

the parents weren't exactly evil, just highly irresponsible. Children should be nowhere near places with drugs. Drop little jimmy off at grandma's for the weekend, for gods sake.

[sknkv2]

Well, from SWIM's personal experience, he has seen adults laugh at stories of children stealing wine and passing out drunk.

I totally understand LSD is more powerful psychologically but I think you're missing the point. I was mainly referring to the fact that the child was sent to a foster home, if it were booze there's no way this would happen. The fact that LSD is illegal is pretty much the only reason the parents lost their kids.

Originally Posted by acid_flux

imagine the psychological trauma of a bad LSD trip. that child will be messed up for the rest of his life.

Wow, blowing it a bit out of proportion there. What do you really think would happen to a kid that had a bad trip? I know many people who have grown up in families surrounded by drugs/violence (a much more traumatising situation) and turned out to be fine. One bad trip on acid doesn't mean they're going to be "messed up for life", may as well say one bad dream will mess them up for life.

Anyway, I'm not trying to defend the parents, they were obviously irresponsible, just highlighting the hypocrisy.

[sylenth]

personal opinion is, smurf has seen full grown adults suffering for years cos their drinks were spiked & they did'nt know. this can have a huge impact on a person especially a kid, if they're unaware of the reasons they feeling different it can be a total mind fuck. it's the same as 'giving a cat or dog lsd' you just do'nt it is not their free will & no one has the right to decide whether it's ok or not.

sylenth added 4 Minutes and 46 Seconds later...

reminds me of the same kind of logic a friend swimmer had when going to a rave with a huge turbo sound rig pounding away whilst she stood there with a big belly carrying a 7 month old bady due soon to be born whilst under the influence of drugs & dancing away proudly...

[Acid_Flux]

The fact that LSD is illegal is pretty much the only reason the parents lost their kids.

do you forget that alcohol is illegal for children under 18?

Wow, blowing it a bit out of proportion there. What do you really think would happen to a kid that had a bad trip? I know many people who have grown up in families surrounded by drugs/violence (a much more traumatising situation) and turned out to be fine.

i doubt they turned out to be fine. they probably have hidden issues that will only emerge much later. and yes, i strongly believe that a bad trip can cause permanent psychological damage.

But i understand what you're saying, the police may be more leniant to a parent who gave their child booze over one who gave their children LSD, and this is most definitely hypocritical. Believe me, I'm not one of those people that slates psychedelics with a glass of Jack Daniels in my hand... please go to this link!!! http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60603

but i dont think you should underestimate the effects of LSD on a child. their minds are still developing...they don't have the coping mechanisms that we do.

[Metomni]

You also need to consider that if children are administered LSD for a mental issue the doseage is going to be highly pure, highly controlled, and highly monitored.

A 3 year old eating candy with god-knows-how-much LSD in it is much different from a 10 year old being administered 5 micrograms to see what happens in a controlled setting.

Need you be reminded that at that age they're still learning vital body functions? They probably aren't even perfect walkers by the age of 3.

Also, all the good things that are obtained through the LSD experience couldn't even be interpreted or understood by a 3 year old. There's no benefit for them to be dosing on this.

[Burnt]

it was an accident no one got killed no big deal, i dont think the parents deserve legal penalties, this will discourage parents from taking their kids to the hospital in these situations (not that these situations should occur but still, why waste the time, i think the parents learned their lesson). could have been worse if the kid wigged but other then that SWIM sees it as a lesson learned (ie kids and drug laced candy is a volatile situation).

LSD wont fuck with a childs brain except that if the child remembers it or had something tramatic happen while under the influence, no physical damage would occur. but yea kids and drugs = bad parenting.

[Metomni]

SWIY is either undervaluing the potency of LSD, underappreciating the importance of brain development in young children, or both.

To say the kid can't remember it is silly. We all have very old memories, even the ones that are only partially there. An event as profound as LSD could definitely set off a trigger to be remembered forever.

Just because society wrongfully has a harsh view on the drug as a whole, doesn't mean that precautions don't need to be taken.

[Acid_Flux]

To say the kid can't remember it is silly. We all have very old memories, even the ones that are only partially there. An event as profound as LSD could definitely set off a trigger to be remembered forever.

i totally agree, its frankly dangerous to underestimate the effects of LSD on the mind. to shrug off a kid ingesting a whole roll of candy laced with LSD as a lesson learnt shows a total underestimation of the drug. obviously this amount is far above the usual level...i'd be surprised if that kid didn't totally wig out and will have anxiety attacks, paranoia and depression for the rest of his life

[newgrower]

Originally Posted by Acid_Flux

i totally agree, its frankly dangerous to underestimate the effects of LSD on the mind. to shrug off a kid ingesting a whole roll of candy laced with LSD as a lesson learnt shows a total underestimation of the drug. obviously this amount is far above the usual level...i'd be surprised if that kid didn't totally wig out and will have anxiety attacks, paranoia and depression for the rest of his life

Yes, it's not a good situation and I don't mean to be dismissive of the consequences but I think it's a little early to send the kid out to the psych ward for the rest of their life. Children are a little more resilient than that.

LSD is to be respected and used properly but (can't believe I'm say this) let's not give it more power than it has.

Does anybody have a verified case where LSD dosing in childhood led to permanent psychological problems? I'm sure this kind of thing has happened before and if there was permanent damage it should be documented.

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The Hppd article was already in the archive, but good effort!

[Metomni]

That's part of the problem with the illegality of the substance, it has greatly reduced the opportunity for testing into further effects and benefits of the substance.

This is about all I could find on the subject:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=32&lpage=1

It looks like evidence either way is inconclusive at best.

[Lobsang]

LSD wont fuck with a childs brain except that if the child remembers it or had something tramatic happen while under the influence, no physical damage would occur.

Actually some people believe that HPPD may be more apt to happen in children than adults. In the less mature CNS.

[Burnt]

ctually some people believe that HPPD may be more apt to happen in children than adults. In the less mature CNS.

people believe a lot of things. HPPD is a mild condition most of the time anyway, SWIM used to get it but only after doing acid repeatedly for many weekends in a row. yea it could happen more that the child sees the walls wobble a bit for a few weeks but thats probably about it.

I really think people are overreacting. if people around the child make it out to be such a big deal especially while the child was under the influence and he sees people worried it only gives him more of a reason to be scared. they probably gave him thorazine as soon as he got into the hospital anyway which would have aborted the trip and probably messed up his memory a bit too. just tell him he ate a bag drug or a poison if he understands that better and got sick and really the kid will probably get over it. to think that LSD is going to cause permanent long lasting damage to this child is a bit unlikely.

furthermore to give the parents serious legal penalties is a bad idea in SWIMs opinion. first of all i'm sure if the parents knew someone at the party left a bunch of acid laced candies near their kids they would have said something. theres nothing wrong with having kids around tripping adults as long as some sober people are around. perhaps the person who left the candies there didn't tell anyone it was there. a millions things could have happened. thats called an accident shit happens. if parents get in legal trouble it will on discourage parents from taking there kids to the hospital when things like this happen. not that they should happen but look its life shit happens.

what would happen if the kid accidently got into his mothers bottle of valium? thats way more dangerous then acid, but since the parents could get in trouble for negligence, would it encourage them not to go to the hospital and wait it out? do they really deserve court over that? yes their are parents who are all drugged and leave needles and crap laying around their apartment with kids and thats obviously a dangerous situation. but accidents do happen and to ruin peoples lives and family over a stupid accident is worse then the accident itself in certain cases.

lets look at a case where the parents are seriously messed up on drugs and the kid takes some of their meth or something. now if the parents are all wigged out and think they might go to jail they really might be stupid enough to not take their child to the hospital for fear of legal problems. we have to look at these situations not that parents are poisoning their kids on purpose (because thats usually not the case) but that shit happens and when it does happen saving peoples lives is the first order of business. yea if you work in a hospital and parents are bringing their kids in all fucked up on drugs then yea something should be done but we have to look at this less as a legal issue and more as a societal problem.

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true view.

[Panthers007]

Let's look at it this way: If a parent is irresponsible enough to leave a potent psychedelic unattended around kids - what ELSE is there for Junior to get his paws into? Drain-Cleaner? Wake-up call!

File under: How Stupid Can You Get 101.

[Burnt]

well like i said people are a bit quick to judge these people. if they were aware drug laced candy was sitting right within kiddies reach and still let their kids run around there then yea thats stupid. but if they didn't know how is it their fault? shit happens.

[Lobsang]

people believe a lot of things. HPPD is a mild condition most of the time anyway, SWIM used to get it but only after doing acid repeatedly for many weekends in a row. yea it could happen more that the child sees the walls wobble a bit for a few weeks but thats probably about it.

You clearly do not understand HPPD and what it is. Many people do not. If you had it a few weeks it ain't HPPD. And you have to unddrstand the problem to understand that the term "mild" does not apply. More the type of perceptions. And no matter what the perceptual alteration the individual will react differently than someone else. Some eople go pretty crazy for a long time because of what some would call minor changes and others are more addaptable. Some people suffer in horror every day and all the time wondering when they will be normal again. This is not the territory for kids. And as far as you saying that people "believe a lot of things". Well the people that believe it are the ones studying it in depth. So they might know a little about it after seeing many many cases. Bit to clarify. The walls moving a bit a few weeks after some acid is not. I repeat not HPPD.

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Good post