Experiences - latest breakthrough,,god?

[SpaceKitten]

well swim have been smokin /and drinking the tea for some tim, with pretty much only positive experience,,the tea could be rough though,,,

he has rumored to be been smokin DMt from severela batches and vendors/home-extractors, he has never been dissitisfyied with purity though one whos somewhat know for being shady sent him whats most liklely somewhat dilluted dmt, and once 5-meo by mistake,,a 60 mg 5-meo trip was not what my friend had in mind but that was manachagable though he faced a demon but won ,

any way on to this experience,,he just got a tiny bit of very pure crystals of another friend so he decided to try it out before shareing with his best friend
/45mg was put in a home made foil device and smoked,)
this isnt an amount that he usually find completely minddblowing more of a fun dose borderline breakthrough..after a few sec regular dmt hallucinationations came on music turned lively and beautiful, eues closed, but insted of an inner,,ride of hallucinations and emotions he think is the best way to describe it
it was like he was thrown into another place not a room but more of a closed state of mind that shuts you out of your normal existans ,,not unlike his few high dose 5-meo trips although there was a strong feeling of love, wich is why he call this batch the love-dmt,, he thinks 5-meo is a little sneaky and have some scary possibilitys like salvia d..

Any way in this state he heard the voic of someone he knew who said im god, thre tims he repeated this,, then he heard another family member (wich who swim has had quite a trouble past) say the same sentence over and over over,,
now when some oneone is in full breakthrough expreience he always talk in real voice to the enteties,, when borderline he likes/loves to talk in tounges ,,you know mc kenna style, it greatly enchances the experience, so he heard a 3rd voice of an ex gf (also trouble past) say I am god a couple of times SWIM said out loud a couple of times,, well if you are god,,call on the phone, knock, on the door,, mentionin it when you get home, then i belive that you are god,, why dont you call on the phone
he then heard the voice of person no 1 (father,,,really troubled past,,) say again i am god twice.

then swim was back to reality , somewhat shook up it was never a threatening experience just super intense,, what was on his mind though was,, was the dmt lying to him? was this experience just nonsense,,it kinda bothered him beacuse this is def not how he defines dmt...and what was the point of all this then,,

a couple of minutes latyer it hit him what this experience was about,,a message from "everyone" that
everyone are/should be seen as god,, and especially thath you treat everyone you interact with with the love and respect like you would treat god. ,

Now how would you treat God? swim hope he is able to hold on to this little insight though.


sorry if post is a bit messy...my first ever written trip report,,i just had to pass it on..

peace

[Heretic.Ape.]

It is traditional in India to greet one another saying "namaste", which is basically the recognition of God or divinity dwelling within the other person, and to treat visitors as a visiting aspect of deity. I imagine this or an equivalent practice would be an interesting method to keep such a realization fresh in one's mind.

[jaffacake]

I think the conscious mind trie to apply ideas like "God" to the psychedelic experience because that's the only thing it can think of. I prefer to see the psychedelic experience as alone and seperate from man-made ideas like "God".

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by jaffacake

I think the conscious mind trie to apply ideas like "God" to the psychedelic experience because that's the only thing it can think of. I prefer to see the psychedelic experience as alone and seperate from man-made ideas like "God".

I would think that's quite true to an extent. Believers, the old-fashioned indoctrinated type, will often go through their entire lives with this mental conflict over the existence or nature of God (see Mother Theresa's final letters). A deeply-rooted but extremely fragile belief such as this will typically play-out during an intense psychedelic experience. In a sense, it would be very entertaining to experience such a live morality play but SWIM's never had any serious belief in the supernatural so the issue wouldn't apply to him. It could make a DMT trip seem very interactive though. Then again, it could become a very horrible situation. We often talk of underlying issues in regards to the use of psychedelics here. Talking to God is one of these.

Most people SWIM's ever tripped with have been secularists for the most part. He once tripped with a religious guy who had a very bad time with it. Doubts flooded his mind to the point where he nearly had a full-blown panic attack. I'm sure the dosage didn't suit him either however.

[oggy]

Originally Posted by SpaceKitten

a couple of minutes latyer it hit him what this experience was about,,a message from "everyone" that
everyone are/should be seen as god,, and especially thath you treat everyone you interact with with the love and respect like you would treat god. ,

I think this is true about everyone being God, not from drug use (not yet anyway) but from books and other religious cultures. Even the bible talks of one God but I think its trying to tell us we are part of it whether we like it or not. IE if you deny God(yourself) then evil will happen.

Originally Posted by SpaceKitten

Now how would you treat God? swim hope he is able to hold on to this little insight though.

When you learn what God is its not scary any more. God is nothing more than divine love. And love is to live the opposite of evil. But as you can see mystical things do happen and if you can learn to live in love then mystical things will happen all the time.

A good book to read is the flower of life by Drunvalo Melchizedek. It seems as though he's manage to put the puzzle together from all religions as they all do hold some truth. Forget all the evil stuff about hell western religion has tried to push on us!

This will get you hooked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2mX36pyTKM

[Nacho]

Genesis 1:26-27

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."


I think that may make reference to that. When they are saying "I am God," that may reference to that verse, meaning: We were made in the image of God and like God and should be treated so. Maybe that's your subconscious mind giving you a way to try and mend those relationships.


I think you should look into yourself to see what it means though. That's where this came from


(disclaimer: I know nothing about the Christian faith. My post is just a thought and should be treated as such.)

[Jamesthebluewolf]

You forget that this is a hallucinogen. Expect random things.

[Nacho]

Originally Posted by Jamesthebluewolf

You forget that this is a hallucinogen. Expect random things.

I think that statement discredits any meaning of the trip for no good reason.

Peoples' dreams have meanings, why not their DMT trips? They are completely related. DMT is produced in the pineal gland (during REM sleep, in which you are in a deep, dream state) which is also where melatonin, which puts you to sleep is produced. People have known that dreams are related to their conscious state in atleast some ways, so why not a DMT trip?

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Good point about the dreams:)

[oggy]

Good point about the dreams nacho. People do study dreams and its well known they have some deeper meaning. Why would DMT be different?

[Nacho]

Originally Posted by oggy

Good point about the dreams nacho. People do study dreams and its well known they have some deeper meaning. Why would DMT be different?

Thank you

DMT fascinates me a lot. I actually think it may be some kind of link to seeing the more spiritual world of things. The pineal gland is referred to as the "third eye" because at some point a long time ago it had some sort of purpose like that (i heard that on the discovery channel) and it has a couple components that our "regular, 2" eyes have. What if our regular, 2, eyes let us see what goes on in the "normal" world and our dreams and DMT trips are what go on in the subconscious, spiritual world. Maybe DMT trips are so life-changing and fascinating because people see the other 1/3rd of what goes on. It's like a major epiphany.

I wouldn't have a clue though. That's just what I like to think.