Drug info - why isnt swims oxy's working???

[frankz81]

hi all,

swim hAS just purchased 60 x 80mg oxycontins.
swim has used them for about 3 years now, the last 6 months recreationally.
the current lot swim has had for bout 3 days now.
he is stressing as he does NOT feel a thing from iv'ing a whole tab at a time.
he only uses them about 1 week each month so it is NOT tolerance.
every other month swim had buprenorphine patches on too which binds stronger than the oc's they would work very well, infact he would divide one tab into 3 ml's and having 1 ml would acheive desired results.
having now the whole 80mgs in one hit only really makes him nod, but not the good way of nodding, and causes a weird sensation in his head and sometimes stomach.
swim knows these are proper oxy's as they are the same brand as always, and were sealed in the box and also the blister packaging they were in.
swims gf uses also, having about 30mg at once as always, and she is loving them as always.

what the hell is happening? this is stressing swim out as he just spend 700 on these lil fuckers and he may aswell purchased sugar pills.

there is 2 things he can think of,
one is that some of u may know swim had too much paracetemol on the weekend and was thinking if the liver is impairer it may have something to do with it as swim is under the impression the liver is used to metabolise them. but is the liver needed via iv? swim had a blood test yesterday for paracetemol and liver damage and showed up normal, such a releif but doesnt answer the question.

secondly swim has a bit of the flu, and its the first time he has been sick since starting to use opiates.
could this be the reason??

swim has also not worn the bup patches for around 2-3 days b4 getting the oc's, could taking them off had an effect?

swim is desperately asking for a miracle here as he doesnt wanna be allergic or anything like that to them, and justs wants to enjoy as always,
please help!

[RaverHippie]

AFAIK bup will bind to morphine receptors for a long period of time thereby eliminating cravings and withdrawal symptoms, but at the same time create an immense tolerance since other opiates won't be able to bind to those receptors. But I have very limited knowledge of opiates.

[frankz81]

in saying that swim has never had a prob with oxys when on subutex and bup patches, and this time around swim hAs even gone about 4 days with out bup b4 taking the oxy's.
i know the bup binds more than the oxys, but if the oxys worked every other time when fully on the bup , that cant be the reason this time as swim was only on 1.5mg daily of bup anyways, which means over the 4 days prior to the oxys, swim should have just about fully been detoxed off the 1.5mg anyways.

[olddirtycr]

Originally Posted by frankz81

in saying that swim has never had a prob with oxys when on subutex and bup patches, and this time around swim hAs even gone about 4 days with out bup b4 taking the oxy's.
i know the bup binds more than the oxys, but if the oxys worked every other time when fully on the bup , that cant be the reason this time as swim was only on 1.5mg daily of bup anyways, which means over the 4 days prior to the oxys, swim should have just about fully been detoxed off the 1.5mg anyways.

Buprenorphine itself binds more strongly to receptors in the brain than do other opioids, making it more difficult to become intoxicated via other opioids when buprenorphine is in the system.

Get off the bupre and you'll get WAAAAAAAY more bang for your buck. No reason to be on both unless your trying to get off opiates but why would you buy 60 80's then.

Anyways a low dose of Bup will loose its blocking power after 3 days or so, but prolonged use of a slightly higher dose could take 5-6 days even. Wait 5-6 days and ride it out.

SWIM's just curious but from everyone SWIM knows they all agree that snorting the OC vs injecting it provides a much better high. Has SWIY tried snorting it and didn't like it so switched to injecting it or what?

[frankz81]

its been roughly 10 days since taking the bup patches off and still basically nothing.
swim gets faint euphoric spells but basically frustrates him even more!!

swim has never snorted oxys< is it worth a try? he has only ever iv or im"d them hence no need to try anything inferior but gathers that anything would be worth a go now....

and as for the last post, swim isnt physically dependant and is not prescribed bup for dependance, but rather for pain releif which is why the patches are used.
when he gets 60 oxys, he makes up a daily planned which he uses to avoid getting physically hooked and develops a plan 'b' should he get hooked whilst still in possession of oxys and a plan 'b' for finding out he is hooked when the last one is gone so most bases are covered in which enables him to use recreationally and for analgesia and avoid running into the obvious traps.

if swim tried snorting and that therefore still has no effect, wat would swims options be? can for some reason he just turn allergic to them for no given reason??

swim does know that the problems he is having are NOT due to tolerance or the blocking effects from buprenorphine.

[olddirtycr]

Originally Posted by frankz81

its been roughly 10 days since taking the bup patches off and still basically nothing.
swim gets faint euphoric spells but basically frustrates him even more!!

swim has never snorted oxys< is it worth a try? he has only ever iv or im"d them hence no need to try anything inferior but gathers that anything would be worth a go now....

and as for the last post, swim isnt physically dependant and is not prescribed bup for dependance, but rather for pain releif which is why the patches are used.
when he gets 60 oxys, he makes up a daily planned which he uses to avoid getting physically hooked and develops a plan 'b' should he get hooked whilst still in possession of oxys and a plan 'b' for finding out he is hooked when the last one is gone so most bases are covered in which enables him to use recreationally and for analgesia and avoid running into the obvious traps.

if swim tried snorting and that therefore still has no effect, wat would swims options be? can for some reason he just turn allergic to them for no given reason??

swim does know that the problems he is having are NOT due to tolerance or the blocking effects from buprenorphine.

Oxycontin is one of the very few drugs that SWIM has heard which is better snorted then slammed. Give snorting a go (what do you have to loose?)

If you still do not feel the desired affects well I'm not sure what to tell you, sucks for you :/

[qlduser]

ive been on bup since 2000 and you really need to be clear of it before you will get stoned (properly). is it subutex or suboxone and does it contain narcan? ...this is a dangerous combo if missed managed ..get rid of the bup until 2-3 days after the oxys run out.

[frankz81]

the thing is i have been on the same amount of bup for months now, and every time swim has had oxys while on bup he has had no problems with it at all! the bup only works out to 1.5mg per day, and its norspan(bup patches) without narcan, and could have stopping the bup 3 days b4 using the oxys caused any adverse reaction?

[qlduser]

well swim had <2mg buprenorphine as a daily pill dose. and would use ms contin 60mg to great effect as long as swim did not have bup on the day ,preferably swim dosed as early as poss the previous day. swim does hardly feel 30mg ms contin

qlduser added 9 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

the more time without bup should mean the more effective the narcotic.
that said swim stayed on 2mg bup for 18 months as he wanted to still get stoned twice a week(on 60mg ms contin) over the bup saturation. swims doctor forced him up to 8mg bup then 200mg ms contin did stuff all.
swim now back to 1 mg bup and nil morphine is now(this very week) switching from bup to otc codeine

qlduser added 6 Minutes and 46 Seconds later...

swim has been in denial about his dependency before and swim had to step up his dose and was in denial no more . sorry bout tripple post

[frankz81]

well u would think any narcotic would be stronger the longer u are off the bup...
to say the least i am very fkn pissed off cos i am also allergic to morphine and if i cant take oc's well that leaves very little thats available, in adelaide anyways.
anyways swim has run out of oc's and will be 2 weeks b4 new batch so he will give them one more try and see what happens.

if swim had lots of paracetemol, could damage done to his liver be the cause of the problems?
i made a post on having too much paracetemol not long ago, but did have a blood test and all was ok, but just seems a coincidence that now the oc's aint working and wondering if my liver may have something to do with it

[qlduser]

wish i had oxys is hard in nazi qld. let me know how it goes next time. if the bup is for pain relief and you get oxys on occasion swim would rather get fentanyl patches , would have same relief without the blocking effect. but then there is the tolerance dependance issue.

if you had a box of 80s or 60s once a fortnight you would still have a tolerance regardless of the gaps between.

[frankz81]

maybe it is a tolerance build up as swim would use oxys,maybe 10 x 80 per day for 10 days a month,the next lot swim will try doubling up as he did have a whole tab at once and felt a lil sparkle,but wasnt brave enough to do 2 so he will next time while being careful.
the fkn government wont let me switch to fent patches, infact they want me taken off the bup patches and on to subs which i told my dr ill just go without...

ill let u know how the next lot goes...


anyone here from south australia?

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim HIGHLY recommends not doing 2.

Just stay off the bupe for a good amount of time. Give it more time before doing more oxy. It's just a waste.

Snorting should not be a big difference than oral, especially for oxycodone. And IVing oxycodone is pretty pointless. Just eat em, unless you have a nasal fixation.

[qlduser]

swim wouldnt have two tabs swim would rather delay having them while tolerance drop.swim is on suboxone tabs and finds they are great. swim has ms contin 100mg or oxy 80 swim must have no bup for 43 days prior. this works for swim.
Either swiy tolerance is up or bup patchs last days and days even after removal....
swim knows that if yoou wait till withdrawel start oxy will work. swim waits till he cant sleep .if swiy had a good night sleep ie no withdrawal swiy has too much in system.....swim finds best time is when its been a long night tossing and turning then up at dawn . thats when swim knows todays play will be good good luck

qlduser added 8 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...

swim means 3 to 4 days sorry