Drug info - 120x Salvia Extract - Legitimate?

[ejwys]

I have seen a select few websites claiming to sell '120x' salvia. Can this possibly be legitimate, or are they just tagging a fake name on it to sell it for more money?

[Milk man]

Swim has seen several headshops with 120x salvia. All thoses x's must make the incense smell real nice(lol).

[RaverHippie]

It's probably a legitimate, highly-enhanced product but they're just playing off the american tendency that "more is better" so they bring about a stronger product, charge a huge premium for it, and make a killing off of ignorant users that don't realize such a n enhanced leaf isn't necessary.

[Richard_smoker]

i don't know how to answer this question.

the answer is probably YES.

but, more importantly, why the fuck are you interested??

anyone who has any experience with enhanced salvia would know that 10x, 20x, 40x...it's all the same active ingredient...only difference is that it takes LESS of it to achieve the same effect.

I'm not sure about swiy, but for swim, all it took was one good, reality-DESTROYING hit of the super-potent salvia...after this, salvia was put away FOREVER!

salvia can bring about one of the most frightening experiences imagineable...imagine the feeling of your skin being torn from the fabric of 3-Dimensional reality...like a clock's hand, sweeping across your body in a circle, left to right, until your entire body has been swept with a terrifying sensation of being "not-real"...followed by gradual re-introduction to normal "feeling" body.

doesn't sound good to me at ALL. in fact, makes me want to throw up a little bit.
-DICK

[cra$h]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

anyone who has any experience with enhanced salvia would know that 10x, 20x, 40x...it's all the same active ingredient...only difference is that it takes LESS of it to achieve the same effect.

exactly. higher concentration, more of that chemical hitting you in the same size inhale, and the more chemical, the more effect. but people tend to black out at high levels of salvia, and unless you've been around as long as this sage, it's probably going to be a waste of money, for some. swim isn't sure, swim's never experienced a blackout, but hasn't had that kind of money to push up around 80x

[ftatrockisy]

Ok, 120x is just insane, 80x!! is insane. Swim uses 10x, a 1/16 of a teaspoon in a bong can bring on a trip thats almost too intense to handle. Swim wouldnt ever go over about 15x at the most, theres absolutely no reason for it. Swiy is either asking for trouble, or its some really shitty sally.

ftatrockisy added 6 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

i don't know how to answer this question.

the answer is probably YES.

but, more importantly, why the fuck are you interested??

anyone who has any experience with enhanced salvia would know that 10x, 20x, 40x...it's all the same active ingredient...only difference is that it takes LESS of it to achieve the same effect.

I'm not sure about swiy, but for swim, all it took was one good, reality-DESTROYING hit of the super-potent salvia...after this, salvia was put away FOREVER!

salvia can bring about one of the most frightening experiences imagineable...imagine the feeling of your skin being torn from the fabric of 3-Dimensional reality...like a clock's hand, sweeping across your body in a circle, left to right, until your entire body has been swept with a terrifying sensation of being "not-real"...followed by gradual re-introduction to normal "feeling" body.

doesn't sound good to me at ALL. in fact, makes me want to throw up a little bit.
-DICK

LOL, thats is funny you mention this, cause swims wife just experienced the same thing last night, she was very frightened, to the point where she SAID she wouldnt touch that fucking shit again, but she knows she probably will. Sally is just too hard to resist, even if it is a little frightening. Mostly for swim because swim knows, no matter what, youll always come back. But, you definitly have to mentally prepare yourself for something that is completely unimaginable.

[Richard_smoker]

LOL, thats is funny you mention this, cause swims wife just experienced the same thing last night, she was very frightened, to the point where she SAID she wouldnt touch that fucking shit again, but she knows she probably will. Sally is just too hard to resist, even if it is a little frightening. Mostly for swim because swim knows, no matter what, youll always come back. But, you definitly have to mentally prepare yourself for something that is completely unimaginable.

i just don't get it...maybe swim just had one really bad experience and he prematurely hung up his hat???

Is this stuff actually "good"??? is salvia "fun"??

are those trips to salvia-world gratifying??

thanks. -DICK

[ftatrockisy]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

i just don't get it...maybe swim just had one really bad experience and he prematurely hung up his hat???

Is this stuff actually "good"??? is salvia "fun"??

are those trips to salvia-world gratifying??

thanks. -DICK

Swim would say thats its more interesting than "fun". Swim considers it more of an experience, and its an experience that you cant find anywhere else. Fear is just part of that experience. The most unpleasant experience swim had on it was some very similar to Swiys. But, what happened to swim is it felt like each layer of his existence was sliding from the front of him to the back where it would fall off, and be stuck in that moment in time for eternity. And each time part of his existence was shed off, swim was actually stuck in that moment in time forever, while he watched his real self continue on with life. Swim felt great sorrow and sadness that he would be stuck in time forever, and never get to live and enjoy life like the self that was continuing on. (believe me, i dont expect you to understand it) So, while that was frightening and a little sad at that moment in time, 2 minutes later when swim came back to some semblance of reality, and could actually think back on the experience that he had, he actually found it quite interesting. Intense and strange, but interesting. And, Swim is able to feel his spirit trying to still leave its body, and can actually feel his aura completely surrounding him. The funnest part would have to be not the trip at the moment of the trip, when everything is very confusing, but being able to look back on the trip and examine the entire experience, whatever can be remembered of it. Hopefully that makes some kind of sense. But, everyones and EVERY experience will be different. The only thing that stays the same for swim is its like a cartoon world, it even tastes like a cartoon. And what keeps swim in the game is that he knows the intenseness and the chaotic emotions he feels will only last a few minutes, and even if it was unpleasant during that first few minutes, the feelings afterwards are incredible. But, swim personally wouldnt touch anything over 10x. It seems thats just asking for trouble. Light doses is all you need. The heavier the dose the more intense its gonna be and the more frightening the experience could be. So yes, swim would say that sally land is gratifying for the simple fact that he enjoys new experiences, and sally can give that to him every time. just take it easy on the doses. That doesnt mean he doesnt get a little nervous before every hit he takes (and those hits are really not that often, cause you do have to be mentally prepared for anything, and that is hard to do with sally) But he usually just says, "fuck it", puts the bong to his mouth and takes it all and lays back and lets sally rule for a few minutes.

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hey...thanks for answering the question. cheers!

[cra$h]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

Is this stuff actually "good"??? is salvia "fun"??

are those trips to salvia-world gratifying??

thanks. -DICK

if you like the idea of taking a massive bong hit, that for a first timer might be a little harsh to handle, and holding it until you turn blue, but before you get the chance to exhale you're rocketed off into another dimension where you actually feel like you're becoming something else, while everything is twisting and turning, and salvia guides you through a journey that seems a lot longer than it is, than definitly try it. oh, gravity gets really heavy, but once you broke through, there is no gravity. you'll laugh uncontrollably, and just lay around, rolling for a half hour or so, then once you come back the first thing you think is "holy shit! what the fuck just happend?". of course this is at 25x, and definitly a must for any psychonaut.

[chinpokomaster]

SWIM smoked some of the 20X stuff a few years back and entered another dimension. It's hard to imagine what greater effect could possibly come about.

[purplehaze]

Phaze has experimented with all types of salvia. He has never gotten any that was more potent than the 10X. He has concluded that its a marketing gimmick. Phaze doesn't know about gratifying, or if he is learning something. He doesn't do it that often anymore. He just done it for an experience. Since it was relatively safe, the proper research had been done etc etc.

40x salvia wasn't even as good as 10x, actually nothing was any better than the 10x and some of the higher X dont even work at all. One thing phaze found different was pure salvia extract and just salvia extract, the pure salvia extract was shit.

He felt he had something to learn but he isn't sure anymore, it's not something he is running out to get more of anymore. It's just always as fucked up as the last time. A trip. By definition.


His curiousity got sparked when he felt a lady, and read that others haev felt a lady, he wanted to know what the similiarity or correlation between salvia trips and a lady were. But phaze has to wonder if its a mothers love. Still not sure.


120X would probably be bunk, just try some 10x.

[purplehaze]

Phaze just remembered something, he also had the clock like motion building thing. He watched a huge bookcase be built infront of him in one of his trips. It started around six o'clock and went clockwise all the way around to six o'clock again. He didn't think to describe it like that but defintiely , maybe theres something to that aswell as why things happen in clock like motion.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by ejwys

I have seen a select few websites claiming to sell '120x' salvia. Can this possibly be legitimate

Extremely unlikely. The dose of 120X would be 16mg or 0.016 grams. If the advised dose is 16mg, then this would be legitimate. Simply ask the vendor for the dose to find out.

Let's say this would be legitimate. 16 mg. That's a very small flake. One would need a reliable mg scale or even a microgram scale to be exact. Even it it where true, then it would be bloody stupid. I am far from amazed that salvia is getting banned left and right.

The dose of salvinorin A is 200 - 500 micrograms. So there would be between a quarter and half a mg of salvinorin A stickied to 15.5 mg of leaf ./ plant material. That is pretty hard to do.

[thepieman1]

There is a brand of salvia which has values which are like 4x higher than what they really are and calls it AtomX or something like that so he 120x might just be 30x if its that brand.

[Alfa]

Sorry, but that is pure bullshit. It´s just hyping up product to make more money.

[thepieman1]

Yeah exactly.

You probably know the brand I'm talking about but I'm not allowed to mention it here.

Anyway I can't imagine you could get/need/want 120x anyway.

Highest swim would go is probably 40x but has only tried 15x and it was enough (but for higher = less to smoke since swim isnt a smoker).

[Alfa]

10X seems optimal, as that gives a dose of 200 mg. (0.2 grams)
The golden rule is to always ask for the dosage, in order to find out what strength of extract one is really buying.

[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by Alfa

10X seems optimal, as that gives a dose of 200 mg. (0.2 grams)
The golden rule is to always ask for the dosage, in order to find out what strength of extract one is really buying.

hmmm...good advice. -DICK

[ftatrockisy]

Originally Posted by Alfa

10X seems optimal, as that gives a dose of 200 mg. (0.2 grams)
The golden rule is to always ask for the dosage, in order to find out what strength of extract one is really buying.

Yes, but Swims question is, what is the correct dose for 10x? Cause you could have a whole lot of 10x and that might not be such a good thing. Or, are you saying that .2 grams of 10x extract is the suggested dose?

[thepieman1]

Yeah that's what he's saying

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by ftatrockisy

Yes, but Swims question is, what is the correct dose for 10x? Cause you could have a whole lot of 10x and that might not be such a good thing. Or, are you saying that .2 grams of 10x extract is the suggested dose?

If you buy salvia from a good supplier, like at a head shop the guy behind the counter should give you a book on salvia aswell as inform you of what is going to happen. Regardless that its sold as incense this is the case everytime phaze has purchased salvia.

With every 10X extract he has purchased the book always says 2 inhalations.

For maximum effect he holds each hit 15+ seconds and doesn't breath before he takes another one.

purplehaze added 5 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...

Also doing to much is kind of unheard of. The technique required to get the high from salvia is by holding the hit for so long, and when it finally does hit you it hits you so hard that it's kind of hard to over do it. Cuz once it's done it's done. No re-dosing, the effects are pretty much instant, Phaze doubts you will even have the ability to hold onto the smoking device, and will probably feel like gravity is pulling on you so hard you can't do anything but lay back.

Just be sure to not underestimate it, and most of all. Do not fight it. Well first and foremost i would suggest a trip sitter, then secondly don't fight it.

Then i would preach to the choir "Setting, Setting, Setting"

[ftatrockisy]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

If you buy salvia from a good supplier, like at a head shop the guy behind the counter should give you a book on salvia aswell as inform you of what is going to happen. Regardless that its sold as incense this is the case everytime phaze has purchased salvia.

With every 10X extract he has purchased the book always says 2 inhalations.

For maximum effect he holds each hit 15+ seconds and doesn't breath before he takes another one.

purplehaze added 5 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...

Also doing to much is kind of unheard of. The technique required to get the high from salvia is by holding the hit for so long, and when it finally does hit you it hits you so hard that it's kind of hard to over do it. Cuz once it's done it's done. No re-dosing, the effects are pretty much instant, Phaze doubts you will even have the ability to hold onto the smoking device, and will probably feel like gravity is pulling on you so hard you can't do anything but lay back.

Just be sure to not underestimate it, and most of all. Do not fight it. Well first and foremost i would suggest a trip sitter, then secondly don't fight it.

Then i would preach to the choir "Setting, Setting, Setting"

No way dude, theres no way swim would take 2 hits of 10x. The most swim has done is one hit off of 10x, and that takes him straight out of the world.

[thepieman1]

Originally Posted by ftatrockisy

No way dude, theres no way swim would take 2 hits of 10x. The most swim has done is one hit off of 10x, and that takes him straight out of the world.

Depends how much you put in though right?

SWIM has had non-breakthrough trips on 4 hits of 15X, except they were all tiny.

(He has also had breakthroughs on one hit though)

[cra$h]

swim doesn't even bother with anything under 25x, but 25x is the average smoke. It's a good price to high ratio. but something like 120x sounds like a hell of a trip, and would love to blast into that, but at the same time it sounds extremely expensive.

[polidelaiko]

I don't think there's a correct dose with salvia, as everyone reacts differently to it. Swim can take off with one or two hits of 6X. And his first breakthrough was with a (super monster) hit of plain leaf.
Besides, it's not only dosage that matters, also how much smoke can you take and how much time can you hold it. Swiy could take a super hit of 20X and exhale too soon and not feel anything.