Effects - Recreational Opiate & Opioid use.

[Vagisil]

I have a question that i've been thinking about for a while. Is there a possibility to keep your use strictly recreational? Because swim really likes morphine, H and all its derivatives. swim used to be a crystal meth head for a few years. but unlike meth, swim worries about the physical addiction part of it. swim doesn't use more then 2 or 3 days in a row. swim heard about not doing it for many days in a row because that is how you can get physically addicted. please let me hear from people who have info on this. and to the people who are physically addicted. were you trying to keep it recreational and then just said fuck it? or your addiction became mental and quite strong that swiy just gave in? thanks.

p.s. Swim tried morphine for the first time about 10 years ago. then throughout the years various painkillers, just got a hook up for Opana. in the last year swim tried H. swim sometimes get h because it's so much easier and cheaper to get then opana or oxys. never been physically addicted to any of it.

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[chillinwill]

SWIM tried to keep it recreational for as long as possible when he was using heroin but it quickly snuck up on him and before he knew it, he was addicted and doing it daily....SWIM tried spacing it out doing it a couple of times a month, and then only on weekends and then SWIM thought well whats the difference, he isn't addicted so he will do it on a wednesday....for SWIM, it quickly got outta control

[Vagisil]

so you're saying you didn't know when u were doing it everyday?

[chillinwill]

yeah SWIM knew he was doing everyday but he would keep saying alright this is it no more and then find himself waking up sick the next day and repeating the same cycle...when he was doing it every once in a while, his thinking was that since he wasn't doing it daily, he surely coudn't be addicted but for some reason, SWIM could never stop his using and from there, it got outta control

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim is completely recreational because every time Swim starts to get any type of tolerance, the experiences become complete shit.

Keep in mind also this about oral weaker opiates like tramadol/codeine/hydrocodone and not IVing anything, esp. heavier ones like morphine derivatives.

Swim has been using quite rarely lately (twice or so a month) and still has stupid tolerance to where he can't get any euphoria.

[Vagisil]

yea, swim's use is strictly oral. about 4x a month.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim did that for about a year. Swim has a very non addictive personality.

He sold pure cocaine and lots of other strong, hard drugs and had to test them for purity all the time (daily!), but never did them outside business except for his allotted time. EG, Smoking a few times a week, and maybe some opiates once a week, benzo once a month. Never suffered any addiction at all but to being addicted to drug use overall. Swim almost did get psychologically addicted to tramadol when it used to be real good though.

One year later, he smokes pot every single day and uses lots of nitrous and sometime uses opiates still.

[Vagisil]

yea, swim does benzos sometimes and opiates sometimes. he used to be bad with alcohol. but he went to rehab. knows how addiction works. so when the mental need for it is there. it's hard. but swim doesn't submit to it.

[Ididnotinhale]

Very few people are able to do opiates recreationally. If swiy looks around the website, he/she will find hundreds of posts of people who tried to do so and failed.

Swim tried to do so and failed and is now an addict. It sucks balls.

Swim begs swiy to never do opiates more than once every couple of week.

If swim decides to continue doing them recreationally, please post in about 2 months or so and let us know if you are an addict yet or if you truly have been able to keep it recreational.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim recently got a sweet hookup (on average half market price) for hydrocodone in a 10mg Lorcet generic 120ct/mo script. Of course he CWE's.

Now, he currently is only getting around 30-60 month. He also came into a small amount of money to be paid monthly. Therefore Swim has good chance theoretically to start using more and more often. Swim has always had lots of trouble getting any opiates honestly.

Swim already learned he has no interest in a 2mg alprazolam script 60ct that also became availible (got a few recently,his first day with some and he binges and then drives half a hour away, and blacks out 2 days worth of shit, nasty hangover too.) He figured if he ever got hold of benzos, he would use often and use more stimulants too (he won't touch stims without benzos, cannot handle comedowns), but so far, he hasnt used anything different lately. He has some propylhexedrine he has been meaning to try. He also lives with family now that are anti drug, and has to hide his usage. He can hide opiate usage and usually hide being stoned, but hiding tweaking or being drunk on benzos is impossible for him.

Anyways, Swim will keep DF updated on his usage of opiates.

[Vagisil]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

He also lives with family now that are anti drug, and has to hide his usage. He can hide opiate usage and usually hide being stoned, but hiding tweaking or being drunk on benzos is impossible for him.

Anyways, Swim will keep DF updated on his usage of opiates.

that's the same situation swim is in. swim killed a prescription of klonopins in 4 days. lucky for swim the strict parent was traveling. it was a bitch explaining why swim was acting drunk since swim doesn't drink anymore. even after swim went to rehab for alcohol. just blamed on too much new and different medication. lol

[Ididnotinhale]

Originally Posted by Vagisil

that's the same situation swim is in. swim killed a prescription of klonopins in 4 days. lucky for swim the strict parent was traveling. it was a bitch explaining why swim was acting drunk since swim doesn't drink anymore. even after swim went to rehab for alcohol. just blamed on too much new and different medication. lol

Be careful with Klonopin. If swiy has a massive amount and comes off without tapering, it is very likely that the user will have a seizure. Swim has seen this happen to a friend. It was either the day or two days after he stopped that the seizures started. He had to go to the emergency room and ended up having two or three all together. The doctor prescribed him some type of benzodiazepine to come off them.

Ididnotinhale added 32 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

Vagisil, if swiy ended up having to go through rehab for alcohol, you obviously have an addictive personality. If swiy start using opiates occasionally, swiy is fucked. Get ready to say good bye to a happy life.

As a side note, swim finds it funny that the people on this forum are complaining about parents who are "strict", in that they won't let them do drugs. There are very few parents out there who are okay with their children drinking (if under 21) and even fewer who are okay with occasional marijuana use.

Any parent who is okay with their children doing opiates, speed, coke... is either neglectful or just a bad parent. At least that is what swim thinks.

Hopefully the opiate users on this thread are older than it seems, because opiates can be especially harmful to a brain that is still maturing, and swim remembers correctly it will stunt the growth of the pleasure system and many other parts of the limbic system.(not possitive)
Does anyone on here knows the detrimental effects of opiates, especially on teens

[doppey]

"As a side note, swim finds it funny that the people on this forum are complaining about parents who are "strict", in that they won't let them do drugs. There are very few parents out there who are okay with their children drinking (if under 21) and even fewer who are okay with occasional marijuana use.

Any parent who is okay with their children doing opiates, speed, coke... is either neglectful or just a bad parent. At least that is what swim thinks. "

This is obviously only a reflection of the people you have met in life. Most of SWIM's friends parents growing up were okay with them drinking and/or using drugs. Many drank or used drugs themselves and even with their children as they got older. These are people from all walks of life, many differnet races and in different financial situations.

It comes down to the amount of trust the parent has in their childs judgement and level of personal responsibility. If you doubt me you should really get out more, not to be offensive in any way.

Peace,
JJ

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by doppey

"As a side note, swim finds it funny that the people on this forum are complaining about parents who are "strict", in that they won't let them do drugs. There are very few parents out there who are okay with their children drinking (if under 21) and even fewer who are okay with occasional marijuana use.

Any parent who is okay with their children doing opiates, speed, coke... is either neglectful or just a bad parent. At least that is what swim thinks. "

This is obviously only a reflection of the people you have met in life. Most of SWIM's friends parents growing up were okay with them drinking and/or using drugs. Many drank or used drugs themselves and even with their children as they got older. These are people from all walks of life, many differnet races and in different financial situations.

It comes down to the amount of trust the parent has in their childs judgement and level of personal responsibility. If you doubt me you should really get out more, not to be offensive in any way.

Peace,
JJ

SWIM has seen this from several of his friend's parents he knew when growing up and but the farthest it went was drinking and some weed smoking....any parent that did lets say heroin or crack with their son or daughter now that is totally irrensponsible

[Vagisil]

yea swim also had a friend or two who smoked or drank with their parent. it was pretty cool.

[Ididnotinhale]

Originally Posted by doppey

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This is obviously only a reflection of the people you have met in life. Most of SWIM's friends parents growing up were okay with them drinking and/or using drugs. Many drank or used drugs themselves and even with their children as they got older. These are people from all walks of life, many differnet races and in different financial situations.

It comes down to the amount of trust the parent has in their childs judgement and level of personal responsibility. If you doubt me you should really get out more, not to be offensive in any way.

Peace,
JJ

You are right, this is a reflection of the people swim has met in his life, just as how everyones opinions are based on the people they have met.(or read about, saw on tv...etc). By the way, thank you for making it clear that swiy was not trying to attack swim.

Swim has met people of all types, from those who have a multi million dollar endowment and will never have to work, to those who have and always will live in the ghetto. Swim has no problem with parents smoking weed or drinking with their children, once they get older.(because younger use, especially of alcohol can be dangerous, and use at a young age greatly increases the chance of addiction and brain damage)

Swim simply believes that no one should ever reinforce the use of crack, or heroin, whether they are friends or family. These drugs are just too dangerous/damaging, even using them once can ruin someone's life (swim has seen it damage many lives). If swim was aware that his/her kids were using either of these drugs, swiy would try to put them in treatment, not imply that the use of these drugs were fine and safe to use by doing them with his/her child.

Does swiy believe that it is okay to use hardcore drugs with their children?

[fiveleggedrat]

Everyone will have different opinions on this.

Getting off topic on parent-child drug relationships here.

[cra$h]

Originally Posted by Vagisil

yea, swim's use is strictly oral. about 4x a month.

if you keep it to that, and no more, you should be alright. But in all reality, it's probably not going to happen. The best sign of addiction for swim is when swim's personality is changing, even the slightest bit.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim personally became STRONGLY aggressive regarding his drug behavior whenever is was discussed.

He was in the first stages of mental addiction.

He is mentally addicted to weed but it does not interfere with his life so he lets it happen.

[cuddlesthefox]

The line between recreational use and full blown addiction is so fine swiy will barely notice the point you crossed it.
Even then swiy will keep telling swiyself that he's the one in charge.
But damn, it's a good feeling to feel.