Drug info - Fluorotropacocaine

[vantranist]

SWIM has recently got a source for Fluorotropacocaine

but he knows nothing of it, how does it compare to cocaine? I am aware of wiki having a page on it however im more intrested in actual info from people who have used it/known people who used it.

How long would a gram last ect...

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please dont post sources

[0utrider]

yeah, also interested in the compound!! any infos??

[vantranist]

From what SWIM heard from someone who has said to have tried it, a member from bluelight, "Its more like ritialin than coke" "you feel as if your coming up but never really get there" He also called it a shit drug in his post.

But thats just 1 report.

[fonogoodreason]

swim tried some last night (insuffulated). it was the citrate salt and pretty painful, (it has no anesthetic properites). swim has heard reports that the citrate salt does nastly things to the stomach and that the best method was plugging, but he is not overly keen on that method.

to swim it felt like good coke, but the effects lasted much much longer. good coke makes swim quite tired and yawny and nice and fuzzy inside, similar to the come up on mdma swim is not a major fan of coke, or this, but it was a worthwhile experience and swim would repeat again, though swim doubts he would buy more as it is fairly pricey.

this morning my nose feels very dry and slightly uncomfortable. swim got through about 200mg.

aparently the base (sulphate i think), is better as it is not as painful to snort and is stronger and lasts less.

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THANKS!

[vantranist]

Yes i heard its hard on the stomach too over at Legalhighs...


SWIM wants 2 try some, apperenly this chemical might have some promise.

It seems to have very similar stimulant aspects of cocaine. Some prefer it to cocaine because price and duration it seems.

Its reported to have a much longer duration (3-5 hours) And is less potent. from what i could gather its slightly less euphoric than cocaine, and has some nice sexual effects like coke too, I imagine Fluorotropacocaine to actually be better for sex than coke because its increased duration.

He must research this chemical in person.

[0utrider]

dont seem to be many experiences or sources.. swim guesses it would be smart to give it a lil more time, but read somewhere that street C might be laced with it, but swim doubts it..

[Richard_smoker]

Hey...SWIM has spent quite a bit of his time, gathering TR's & basic info on this RC...not sure how welcome this info will be here, but SWIM figures that in THIS circumstance, it couldn't be all that bad, especially seeing as there's essentially NOTHING on here to guide folks---one way or the other...
here are some quotes (edited) from the experiences of others:

feels very...coke-like.

(citrate form) lasts 3-4 hours and...(did not have feinding urge to do more every 20minutes)

(35mg citrate form, insuffilated)
sharp stinging sensation...that has rapidly faded. I feel more alert and awake, slight euphoria, it seems to be building.

(unknown form) (insuffilated 20mg + 25mg at t=1hr)
definate stimulation...a coke like feeling which lasted 5 hrs...weak at this dose and will try 30-40mg at once next time.

From 1st time researcher...
FORM: freebase
METHOD OF ADMINISTRATION: oral
DOSE: 50-60mg.
TIME UNTIL EFFECTS: 45minutes (full stomach)
DURATION OF EFFECTS: Peak effects for...about an hour
DESCRIPTION OF EFFECTS: a steadily building euphoria and enjoyment
COKE-LIKE QUALITIES: YES. 2 things made it feel VERY much like cocaine:
1. cocaine sexual energy
2. the desire to redose
OVERALL IMPRESSION: effects mild (at this dose), would probably do 75mg next time.
ADVISE TO OTHERS: I could see this being quite feindish for a lot of people so beware!

From the experience of 2 users trying together...
FORM: freebase
METHOD OF ADMINISTRATION: oral
DOSE: 50mg
TIME UNTIL EFFECTS: 1 hour
DURATION OF EFFECTS: about 3 hours
DESCRIPTION OF EFFECTS: was definitely active, but neither found it particularly interesting. One of them likened it to taking a bit too much pseudoephedrine.

...it's like cocaine, but had more serotonogic activity with the para-fluoro group. Some people liked it better than coke - probably a matter of what you're expecting from it...turned me into just as big a fuckwit as cocaine does.

...Most coke users would probably be happy with it..."less cardiotoxic" than coke

A PROMISING REPORT:

(160mg, citrate form, rectal administration)
I feel awesome, walking around grinning, truckloads of confidence, I am a happy chemical superman!...nice subtle energy lift, I was constantly smiling and had good euphoria, it was really smooth and subtle though…This would be my drug of choice if I were to go out with friends who were drinking...the euphoria was bizarre, mostly a massive boost in confidence….I have really gone off hard hitting rushy egotistical stimulants like mephedrone, butylone etc, I much prefer a smooth background high, slight euphoria and increased concentration, i.e. drugs that don't turn me into a self absorbed prick...snorting becomes ineffective very fast. (recommendation: take it UP THE ASS!)

...bombed 100mg...high was pleasant...
(but citrate form apparently gave the user) acid reflux for the next day or so....I would highly recommend plugging 120-180mg.

When asked if the citrate form burned or irritated the experimenter's asshole from pugging, he replied:
(citrate form, rectally): a tiny bit uncomfortable, but not really anything significant.
Big libido increase, orgasm is amazing...still going strong!

I'm finding this stuff a great mellow high, not like an upper at all!! le junk (& radiometer) said that pure coke is very mellow and he blaims the jittery nasty stim edge of street coke to amphet adulterants

Apparently, Para fluorotropacocaine may show up on certain drug tests...a byproduct of burnt cocaine...

I have a friend that has tried flouro-tropacocaine that was purchased in both a salt form, and base form...He compares this compound to cocaine in that effects are apparently very similar but states that strength of flouro-tropacocaine is approx 40% that of high grade street cocaine in salt form, and states effects are slightly greater in base form but effects do NOT last the anticipated 10-15 hours but in fact the high last approx 4 hours, retaining peak for about 3 hours.

From a user who claimed that his coke-head friends actually preferred FTC to street product...

For me, it did everything that coke does to me in shovelfuls... turned me into a grade a obnoxious twat...but then again I generally have nothing to do with coke.

FROM AN EXPERIENCE ELSEWHERE:
FORM: freebase suspension in water; "neutralized" by mixing w/tartrate & H2O
METHOD OF ADMINISTRATION: rectal
DOSE: 140mg
TIME UNTIL EFFECTS: ...unknown..
DURATION OF EFFECTS: …unknown...
DESCRIPTION OF EFFECTS: very very VERY mild, central-only effects.
COKE-LIKE QUALITIES? the next day--some real enhanced libido!
COME-DOWN: I will praise it for having no comedown as opposed to, say, MDPV - which barely does anything either but leaves me suicidal for a week.

Regarding smoking Freebase Form:
Apparently the effects are absolutely abhorrent... something never to be tried again.

some additional tips:
--do NOT mix with desoxypipradrol--one frightening tale of a researcher going to hospital because of anxiety, fear, & muscle spasms...

--as stated here, there's no local numbing qualities (unlike it's cousin...OUCH!)

SWIM certainly hopes that members find this compilation 'useful'....hope no one finds it offensive. I've tried to edit everything down to the BARE NECESSITIES!

Someone please let me know if this is inappropriate...

HAVE FUN!
-DICK

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	thanks for doing this legwork
	Great addition of experiences in an area where things were lacking.

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM is getting some of this soon. He has heard that it has about 40% the potency of cocaine but lasts at least twice as long. SWIM will report back once he has sampled it.

[radiometer]

(deleted to avoid confusion now that the above post by R_s was edited)

[sg43]

Quite a interesting chemical, what other forms of the salt is there other than citrate and freebase?

[Richard_smoker]

ooops...sorry Radio!!

I rechecked my notes & I must have merged 2 different 'experiences' together...very sorry for that...i think i "pasted" the experience you mention either right in the middle of a different one or forgot to hit "ENTER" after pasting the 1st one...

I edited the original post. -DICK

Radio--does that look better? I hate this post for this very reason--as it is a compilation of 2nd & 3rd hand info...and perhaps not a very good one at that. I really just wanted to be able to 'throw something out there'...please, everyone...take it for what it's worth. nothing more. -DICK

[radiometer]

Actually I find that sort of post quite helpful when there is scant information regarding a relatively unknown chemical. Also, don't think I minded the mistake, I just thought it'd be best to keep this info as correct as possible.

[vantranist]

Thanks for that info... much of it i have read but a lot i havent read yet, and when it comes 2 trying new RC's we all know every bit of info is interesting/important... espeacaily when SWIM is gonna actually try it himself.

[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by sg43

Quite a interesting chemical, what other forms of the salt is there other than citrate and freebase?

apparently, there is freebase...and two salts have been mentioned: citrate & sulfate.
-DICK

[fonogoodreason]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

apparently, there is freebase...and two salts have been mentioned: citrate & sulfate.
-DICK

sulphate is a base surely? i have only studied biology in the last 3 years or so, but i am fairly sure.

the other salt is hydrochloride. my source however informed swim that this is almost as painful as the citrate and significantly lower yielding, which is why it is not about much.

[Richard_smoker]

no no...you're right, kinda. sulphate by itself would be a base (or a negatively-charged ion)--like Cl-... I give you that example because you mentioned HCl in your post. H+ is the acid & Cl- is the base.
similarly, the FTC+ is the acid and -sulfate is the base...like you say. BUT, when you PUT THE TWO TOGETHER, you get a SALT!

SEE? the charges equal each other out...you start with a positive and negative separately...FTC(+) and sulfate(-).

add them together and you get the NONCHARGED SALT: FTC-sulfate.

similarly FTC(+) and citrate(-) go together to form another salt: FTC-citrate.

In regards to the HCl form of THIS chemical...like you said, the chem companies find it very difficult to synthesize (low yield--like you said)...but keeping with the same examples i showed you, it's the exact same thing, except you just add Cl- to the FTC+ (although the naming is more complicated here because, Where the fuck did you get that Hydrogen?? well, that's too much detail for this post. think of it like a 'naming thing'...)

oh, and there's only 1 base. it's the FREEBASE form of FTC. in other words, it's the FTC(-) with its negative charge remaining...in other words, if you dissolved it in water, it would react with an acid (i.e. citric acid, vinegar, battery acid, whatever), giving off bubbles, etc...and then you'd end up with A SALT!

that ends class for today! -DICK

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good good

[vantranist]

Little off topic, but what exactly is freebase?

I mean for any substance, is it simply just the compound?

[Panthers007]

A "freebase" is a straight molecule that has the characteristics of a base. Such as alkaloids. Something that is freebase infers it has not been reacted with an acid - such as hydrochloric or sulfuric - to form a salt. Example: Cocaine reacted with hydrochloric acid yields cocaine hydrochloride - this being the cocaine usually available. Being a powder, it's easy to transport. Reacting the cocaine hydrochloride with a base releases the freebase of the cocaine - making it consumable by "smoking" it.

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[vantranist]

So Would it be safe for swim to assume that when a drug is in its sulphate salt form it was acidified with sulphuric acid?

[Richard_smoker]

yep! you're getting it now. -DICK

Richard_smoker added 420 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...

a brief updates to my previous post, based on the experiences of others.

*Interesting to note: there seems to be much discussion about a "massive ego boost" or elevation in self-confidence....apparently this is very similar to the feeling experienced with cocaine.

(compared to cocaine), FTC is a lot less potent and longer lasting, a smooth long euphoric mood lift and confidence boost with no noticable crash...certainly with the massive ego boosting effect

As far as effects go, I've seen plenty of cocaine users who have preferred fluorotropacocaine to their usual indulgence, so it's obviously got something quite impressive about it.

Referring specifically to the ego-boosting effect: FTC made me just as unbearable and obnoxious as cocaine does...

[Stephenwolf]

purposely waited 420 minutes?

[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by Stephenwolf

purposely waited 420 minutes?

yep. i sat here staring at the clock.

[sg43]

This seems to be one another big hit in comparison to mephedrone, hopefully it does not have too many side effects or adverse affects.

[radiometer]

Eddie really wishes he'd had a salt of this compound to play around with rather than the freebase.

Has anyone besides Chinese chemists actually had experience and success turning the freebase of this into a salt?

[Richard_smoker]

nah, radiometer, just get Eddie to react his freebase in a solution with either sulfuric acid or citric acid...keep adding the acid until the pH of the solution 'normalizes'...i.e. pH=7.
-DICK