Telepathy & Psychedelics

[sylenth]

everything is made up of energy no matter what you break it down to atoms/molucles etc so if one is part of the universal consciouness & has a good strong relationship with it anything is possible considering we made up of molucles.

i've reported this in my first thread post on the forum...smurf was on xtc one night & felt very dodgy & uncomfortable with an undescribable feeling & had to leave. smurf got home which was far from this other location & found his bubble of good energy being his home had been intruded. smurfs home was broken into by criminals. there's many more i can share but it seems whats the point.

so i picture the universal consciouness as a blanket & we part of this blanket & our senses are tapped in to the cosmos to a certain level. coincidences hmmmmm way too many convincing ones. psychic abilities have been present for many years.

[Greenport]

SwiM's rabbit think it is not a coincidence at all. She believes that humans are all interconnected to each other in some way. It seems like dreams, meditation, and psychedelics all seem to cause these connections to be more easily displayed/shared.

When swiY is around a certain person, she knows to act a certain way in order to fit in, so to speak. She knows that by how the person acts, walks, dresses, etc. - all the stuff she would notice in the first five seconds of looking at the person. Of course that changes after one gets to know that person a bit more perhaps.

Because swiY and her friends were together and basically on the same wavelength in terms of thought patterns and the like, perhaps the guy looked like he was going to the gym in the first place and that because of the acid, this was brought to the foreground. It has that wonderful ability thinks the rabbit.

If a bee were to compare the structure of DMT, the hallucinogenic neurotransmitter produced naturally by us in the pineal gland - psilocin, the hallucinogenic compound in magic mushrooms, and LSD, that one hallucinogen...the bee would see that the DMT structure is contained in them all. We already know that DMT is produced in larger amounts when we dream, when we meditate, as we're born and before we die. If LSD and psilocin work by being metabolized in the body to DMT, that would explain a lot of its mystical nature.

Could it be a link to psychic ability? Perhaps it's such that we have these abilities, but we don't know how to utilize them properly under normal states of mind. If DMT is a necessary key for consciousness, then what is really happening when we release more DMT than normal? Do we reach a higher stage of consciousness? Are we able to know or figure out more things than under a normal state?

Anyways that's just what was on the rabbit's mind. She thinks there is a direct link between psychic ability and psychedelics.

[fnord]

The other night grandma and her ex girlfriend were hangin out on LSD when grnad ma said oh my god theres this band you have to check out i know youd love it,then grnadma couldent remeber the name of the band for the life of her,well her ex just pops right out of nowhere and says "is it gogol bordelo?" which is a obscure gypsy folk/punk something band.

Out of the hundreds of thousands of bands out there how did she just pick that out of thin air? Creepy shit.

[sylenth]

very recently smurf lied on his cirruculum vitae applying for a job by adding one to fit the job description even though smurf has got experience in the job required. smurf said he worked for a company & thumb sucked a name & put the reference contact name 'frank' on the cv. smurf put his buddy's cellular mobile number on the cv & warned his best mate of the phone call & name to use when the company calls to check for references .

smurf had never worked for this company & put their faxmille land line number on the cv. smurf decided to phone their actual land line number & see if there was a frank workshop manager there just out of curiosity.

smurf asked for 'Frank' the workshop manager & the recepsionost replied by saying i'm putting you through to frank & it started ringing. yeah weird.

[sylenth]

as i have mentioned in another thread i believe strongly that us humans have'nt discovered all there is that we can not see & is only a question of time for the discoveries to happen. dolphins amongst others communicate on this kind of level. humans think we have discovered all there is in the air such as sonar, microwaves, etc... but there is no proof for now i agree. fact knowing how little humans use of their brains leaves wide doors open to possibilities.

as for walking through a brick wall. if one can astral travel & believes in it. walking through walls consciously in this non intoxicated state is easily possible. but once again there is no proof of this been more than a cheap mind trick only reports from people across the globe.

patience reveals all, time will tell.

[oggy]

Originally Posted by sylenth

as i have mentioned in another thread i believe strongly that us humans have'nt discovered all there is that we can not see & is only a question of time for the discoveries to happen. dolphins amongst others communicate on this kind of level. humans think we have discovered all there is in the air such as sonar, microwaves, etc... but there is no proof for now i agree. fact knowing how little humans use of their brains leaves wide doors open to possibilities.

as for walking through a brick wall. if one can astral travel & believes in it. walking through walls consciously in this non intoxicated state is easily possible. but once again there is no proof of this been more than a cheap mind trick only reports from people across the globe.

patience reveals all, time will tell.

Your right there we have discovered nothing yet. Humans have been evolving for a long time and soon there will be no need for the human body, I think this will be the next step in evolution. Telepathy is something we lost when language was invented so its nothing new.

[sylenth]

so here's another coincidence to the smurfs path in their life that happened today. the place the smurfs took a heavy dose of lsd 2 weeks ago is where they want to be & relocate & decided to make this a goal it is beautiful & perfect the same place i have pics of in my album. smurf mentioned the strong bond in their relationship with each other. the job that i applied for that i mentioned in a above post where i lied in it to try secure the job....

smurfette applied online for a personal assistant job in the same town. the place got back to her & the guy asked if she was my fiance she replied & said yes how did he know? he said it was the same company that i applied for as he saw the adress we gave. they obviously did'nt use the same email adress, probably submitted the add from their home residence... so fate, destiny, psychic ability? who knows just another coincidence again!

so it seems our path in life is just going perfect day by day coincidence by coincedence. the smurfs have had all the materialistic things we could possibly want house's' car's' bike's' businesse's' etc & it all went bang after they lost it cos of our economy. there was always problems in that life. now that the smurfs are'nt materialistic the path is clearer than ever & it gets better than ever. things they wish for happen at 'godspeed'

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nature boy.
Quit avoiding the point. Produce evidence. It's nice to theorise but there is no scrutable, tested experiment that has proven any of the wild claims of telepathy. What we see in the psychedelic experience is not telepathy, it is something far more elegant and something that might one day be explained logically.

elegant & might be explained one day logically? so here there is no guaranteed proof that there is nothing beyond an altered state of mind either. you dont see telepathy 'that's right' it happens. i have already said that humans have not yet got the invention to measure this kind of phenomenan. so how much proof you are willing to accept is up to the individual. one day this might be explained more logically too.

nature boy.
That's convenient isn't it. Anyone who happens to have this supposed ability just so happens not to like money. And there's never been a sour grape in the bunch. Seems peculiar.

these spiritual people such as myself gain this ability more when not following things materialistic such as money. smurf had it all 'material' trust me on this one pls, and following that path there was a block of the senses. yet some thing kept trying to come through in my mind telling me that it's not right & hapiness can do alot more in life than been materialistic causing problems & smurf basically ended that path ''before'' the economy screwed them. that is pretty psychic if you ask me. the smurfs sold their business & spent 250k on a spiritual enlightenment journey consisting of a holiday & alot of drugs & it still bears the after effects good & bad. a fucked credit name from alot of debt from properties etc & the good been the enlightenment from all of it.

if one is'nt on the path like the spiritual path such as these people, you cant understand the events & abilities claimed. you understand your events cos that is your path you have chosen yet us spiritual people can understand your path as we have been on that path.

nature boy.If there was one shred of evidence indicating a consistent method of telepathy, it would have been found already, BY A SCIENTIST (that's their job, not yours or mine). None of the evidence gathered directly points to any supernatural ability

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that is quite alot of faith you put into other people & science that is continously researching & discovering things. yet it could be tomorrow that the discovery is made to fully prove that it is possible & true. becos someone has'nt got the label & qualification saying they are a scientist does'nt mean they have'nt got ideas & answers that are waiting to be discovered by scientists. there are alot of people who study things with out this label & answers come to them. why do animals such as dolphins not communicate by the sounds they are capable of producing through their mouths? cos it's an extra ability not the main form of communication.

nature boy.
You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true. This is getting tiring. Same old roundabout nonsense that's in the "God, Science..." thread.

yes this is all getting tiresome trying to prove things by explaining your life to other people who are'nt as enlightened as you without offending them & having ego issues.

[quote] nature boy.
I'm not sure I'm aware of these "new model" theories. I thought this was about telepathy. C'mon, proof, chop chop! You can't even explain this underlying intelligence yourself yet you insist it's there. I don't know what makes you so convinced. Simply because the ludicrous can't be disproved, that doesn't make it true.

if we all knew the answers why cant we answer where everything came from? why can we only travel so far in the universe? why cant we cure diseases such as aids & cancer? we so great & know everything scientests have discovered it all. we may as well just stop research then & call it the day we all realised that we know it all. we are progressing but if one does'nt believe in something been a possibility we'll never have the research done to prove anything. if this debate has brewed some kind of other name other than telepathy into psychic ability or tapping into the universal consciouness a moderator can move it where they choose appropriate.

[psyche]

Contact highs and telepathic experiences don't prove any supreme consciousness. People tend to think same way when they have known a long time. Also, conversations are usually a trance-like state, so it's a bit like hypnosis; people can have intimately similar trains of thought. And another thing to consider is that usually people think in a hazy way instead of thinking about exactly one thing at a time, if you know what I mean. They "think" many things at once. That's the way any single thing has any purpose or meaning; in relation to others.

SWIM used to know very well what other people were going to say, it was just obvious so he never thought about it. He never thought of other people to be at the same level as him, but he never thought of it in the first place because it was so from the beginning. Until few last years. When he started thinking about it, he became obsessively intrigued by the phenomena of consciousness and human communication. After time passed he found similarly fascinating and amazing insights in the communication between humans and found startling explanations to why he'd just know some things. The thing is, I think it would be almost godlike ability to be at the same time aware of what goes inside other people's brain during conversations and of the reasons why one is aware of them. Not that I'd think it's desirable. I'd give up gladly a lot of self-awareness to get back the other-awareness. It should matter none if it has physical basis or not as long as you know it works.

But it's still up in the air. The question of universal consciousness, or, exactly to what extent there is universal consciousness. As staples reminded about the quantum physics, there is a lot to learn. I remember vaguely reading that quantun particles can have effect on one another once they've been in contact despite big distances, among other oddities. I'm not convinced about actual telepathy, as I am convinced about the fact that death isn't the end of conscious experience, but one must keep on searching.

[podge]

Originally Posted by psyche

I remember vaguely reading that quantun particles can have effect on one another once they've been in contact despite big distances, among other oddities.

I think your talking about quantum entanglement, absolutely fascinating area no doubt.

[podge]

Originally Posted by psyche

Contact highs and telepathic experiences don't prove any supreme consciousness.

Oh and im not claiming telepathy and contact highs are proof, im saying Universal consciousness is the mechanism within which these phenomenon can be explained. Obviously one needs to research Super string theory/M theory, holographic theory and relate the various aspects of quantum mechanics to them to begin to see how powerful and profound this explanation is.

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Originally Posted by Nature Boy

If that's good enough for you, fine. It just isn't good enough for anyone that matters.

Well if other peoples experiences along with ones own experiences, related to scientific principles arent good enough for "anybody who matters" then i wonder where these people get their idea's from.

Its a pity you get so terribly flustered by new idea's that all civility and reason gets flushed down the toilet. Il let you get back to reading Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, and even a bit of Dan Dennet for good measure i suppose. The holy trinity of Atheists who apparently "matter" more than anybody else.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by podge

Its a pity you get so terribly flustered by new idea's that all civility and reason gets flushed down the toilet. Il let you get back to reading Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, and even a bit of Dan Dennet for good measure i suppose. The holy trinity of Atheists who apparently "matter" more than anybody else.

I was referring to peer-reviewed scientific discovery, not philosophy or journalism. So Dawkins yes, Hitchens is more for entertainment and the enjoyment of his stylised writing. I'm not very familiar with Dennet really. Aren't you forgetting Sam Harris? He's the final member of the "Four Horsemen of Atheism". Are you familiar with any of his work? Not really my cup of tea, but he's a 9/11-motivated anti-theist who examines spirituality and attempts to derive the best from it by applying it to oneself for personal improvement e.g. meditation, shamanism etc. I think you would be a fan even if you didn't agree with him 100%.

Anyway, I've gone off topic enough. I'm ducking out of this one. I need to stop paying attention to things that clearly have nothing to do with me because I'm trapped in my little materialist bubble. Or something. Adios.

[sylenth]

if people can believe we evolved from apes then people should be able to understand that we are mammals just like dolphins & they have the capability to produce sounds through their mouths/blow holes yet they communicate via sonar. so there should be the possibility that we have the capability to communicate through other methods too. dolphins are claimed to be the 'second' closest intelligent life force on the planet to humans. we 'first' apparently... facts dolphins have a large brain dense with neurological wiring, comparable to the human brain. The functioning of the dolphin brain and entire neurological system has been studied extensively. our brains are still evolving dolphins are here for 25 million years. We've only been here with our present brain size about two-tenths of a million years.

the cia has been & is still busy with research for many years already with these studies & we know how top secret their studies are along with the other governments ways...

nice new signature change natureboy. humanshit is the worst as it comes out of the mouth & ass... lol. pls dont stop paying attention to things you think have nothing to do with or take offence.

i would love to be proved wrong with the answers been proven so i can move on expanding my knowledge to other things just like you. i dont know it all & it's not a competition. just stating the different phases of life i've been through. we all in the dark here to the truth 'well at least i believe i am.' peace.

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heres some reports from the cia's 'project stargate' that i came across.http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/stargate.htm

test reports from peoples psychic abilities with a 20% sucess is not bad for the time. i'd say.

[lostmente]

swim thinks you are all quite deluded for various reasons.

Traditional communication is what we recognized as effective in the past. What people a long time ago established as safe. This doesn't mean that other forms were thrown out, but the current form which has the highest chance of physical representation was taken to be the best to concentrate on. Other avenues which all can co-exist under the physical laws (that traditional thought has come to accept), and probably do happen regardless of intent to do so.

Consciousness is associative. The thread of consciousness that you are currently concentrating on need not be the only one going on in your brain, subconscious thought doesn't have to justify why it happened. It only needs to build up enough momentum to be assimilated into the majority of activity....however it does that is the simplest for someone to accept at the time.

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[84735]

With the Indigo generation anything is possible !

[ADVOR]

Originally Posted by 84735

With the Indigo generation anything is possible !

I've never bought into that "Indigo" bullshit. I was born in that era of time and SWIM thinks he's just another person just in a different generation and age.

[belllllaaax]

that sentence thing happens to SWIM all the time, nmw were all on. its a good feeling with everyone on the same level..

[lostmente]

odd, swim really likes the puscifer song - indigo children. Didn't think much of it. Swim wonders who will be their bougaise leader...pied piper so to speak

[psyche]

Oh and im not claiming telepathy and contact highs are proof, im saying Universal consciousness is the mechanism within which these phenomenon can be explained. Obviously one needs to research Super string theory/M theory, holographic theory and relate the various aspects of quantum mechanics to them to begin to see how powerful and profound this explanation is.

Well I see the consciousness in the core of matter as a manifestation of it's tendency to form into intelligent design like human brain eventually. Taking into account that the mental functions pretty much can be seen to correlate with certain brain activity, though we propably never are able to fully comprehend it. I think all matter and organization there is, beginning from the smallest particles is a manifestation of that intelligence, but I don't see that it would implicate that everything is connected at a level of our consciousness.

[lostmente]

our counciousness would pale in comparison to the universal collective except that it is your own. It's omnipotent and omnipresent. Shit, swim is barely aware what day of the week it is some times..

Having said that, if you break it down to perhaps earth's collective counciousness then maybe it isn't even aware yet. Maybe there is not enough awareness in humans or other existing patterns on this planet to really say its awake or not, certainly it stirs, it reacts yes.

[Richi]

A close friend of mine can identify with Advor's post on marijuana. He has noted very similar experiences where one notices many things they otherwise wouldn't while under the influence.

Originally Posted by Panthers007

Psychedelics increase one's awareness to normal processes within the psyche. This includes such phenomena as telepathy. A friend of mine said it best - "I think it's more like an atrophied muscle." - as regards the ability to communicate without words. Perhaps it's a leftover from earlier times before the development of language. One needed to warn the family there was a Lion approaching. But one can't talk. So...through a biological process ingrained in the survival-instinct, one conveys the knowledge without speech.

This no doubt happens all the time. Only difference being that under the influence of mind-expanding molecules - one becomes aware of this.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

I don't think telepathy is the correct term though. I think it may be a heightened sense of awareness in the actions of others, such as how you might read facial expressions more deeply for example.

Both Panthers and Nature Boy are describing what Aldous wrote about in his well known Doors of Perception, if I am correct.

Marijuana and psychedelics alike tend to attune the mind to what would otherwise be taken for granted, or go un-noticed. This is part of the reason why psychedelics have spiritual and therapeutic potential. They allow the user to view and interact with the world as if it were for the first time.

Originally Posted by podge

Reading somebodies body language is a very different thing then what is considered telepathy. Body language cant account for people knowing what people are going to say before they say it, free will makes it clear that this far more than just coincidence.

I wouldn't say so. In approaching a girl, for example, I can quite often tell exactly what will be the result of the situation at hand, and I attribute this to body language. Some might call it telepathy.

Most people would argue that taking the substance isnt nearly enough, the psychonaut must have knowledge or certain intentions going into the experience if they hope to access information otherwise unattainable.

For example the Shamans in the Amazon dont just take Ayahuasca and come back with information for the tribe regarding health,weather, the future etc, they are trained for many many years to use the substance in such a way where they learn to develop control over it and the realms which it gives one access to.

Learning to swim in the shallow end is not always a precursor to diving strait into the deep end.

Originally Posted by oggy

Telepathy is something we lost when language was invented so its nothing new.

If we had telepathy, there would have been no need for language.

[podge]

Originally Posted by psyche

Well I see the consciousness in the core of matter as a manifestation of it's tendency to form into intelligent design like human brain eventually. Taking into account that the mental functions pretty much can be seen to correlate with certain brain activity, though we propably never are able to fully comprehend it. I think all matter and organization there is, beginning from the smallest particles is a manifestation of that intelligence, but I don't see that it would implicate that everything is connected at a level of our consciousness.

Sorry i dont understand what you mean here.

Originally Posted by Richi

Marijuana and psychedelics alike tend to attune the mind to what would otherwise be taken for granted, or go un-noticed.

And what term is better for attuning ones mind to somebody else's thoughts other than telepathy ?

Originally Posted by Richi

I wouldn't say so. In approaching a girl, for example, I can quite often tell exactly what will be the result of the situation at hand, and I attribute this to body language. Some might call it telepathy.

Body language and someones inner thought processes are different things, because one is easily understood doesnt mean the other is too. Yes body language may contain tell tale signs of what a person may be thinking or feeling, this still doesnt explain away all the cases of how people can glean detailed information from another persons brain.

Originally Posted by Richi

Learning to swim in the shallow end is not always a precursor to diving strait into the deep end.

I fail to see what this analogy has to do with what i said.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by podge

And what term is better for attuning ones mind to somebody else's thoughts other than telepathy ?

Telepathy, as a term, has certain connotations. It reminds people of ludicrous sci-fi comics from the 1950s and clowns like Uri Gellar. You can call it a lot of things: psychedelic awareness, a deeper state of consciousness, atrophied instinct, outward introspection etc. Telepathy implies direct communication, as if you can pick out specific chunks of information entirely guarded by the other person's mind like a specific memory, any random word, a series of numerical code etc. We can only detect minute mannerisms and frames of mind, not precise data. I think that's where the difference lies.

Originally Posted by podge

Body language and someones inner thought processes are different things, because one is easily understood doesnt mean the other is too. Yes body language may contain tell tale signs of what a person may be thinking or feeling, this still does explain away all the cases of how people can glean detailed information from another persons brain.

How detailed is the information? Cold readers, much like astrology columns, can make vague guesses in which people experience the Forer effect but could someone, for example, who's never met me or anyone I know, accurately list out my telephone number, social security number, who I've slept with, name my first childhood pet, list all the names of my teachers etc. I don't think so. Conceal the information and they are merely back to their wild guesses. Each and every one of them is a scammer.

[podge]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Telepathy, as a term, has certain connotations. It reminds people of ludicrous sci-fi comics from the 1950s and clowns like Uri Gellar.

Yes but the term in itself does not carry any of this excess baggage with it, only the mind of the individual carries such connotations. Also Uri Geller as far as im aware claims to be a mentalist and not a telepath.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

You can call it a lot of things: psychedelic awareness, a deeper state of consciousness, atrophied instinct, outward introspection etc.

I personally have no problem with using these terms, the term doesnt matter, the act in itself is what is important.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

We can only detect minute mannerisms and frames of mind, not precise data.

Im not sure what phenomenon your speaking about here, body language ?

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Cold readers, much like astrology columns, can make vague guesses in which people experience the Forer effect

True, astrology columns tend to be vague and allow people to read into it. But i dont see the relevance to telepathy, these are different things entirely. Astrology is based the positions of planets and celestial bodies, telepathy isnt, i wouldnt bunch them into the same category.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

but could someone, for example, who's never met me or anyone I know, accurately list out my telephone number, social security number, who I've slept with, name my first childhood pet, list all the names of my teachers etc. I don't think so.

Apparently yes some people can. But i think your confusing telepathy with fortune telling here, these again are different things.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Each and every one of them is a scammer.

Most likely a large percentage are, but i personally wouldnt be so hasty to judge. Like i mentioned earlier, the people who have truelly mastered these abilities dont use them for show, or for personal gain, because going beyond the egoic state of consciousness seems to be essential for these abilities.

So they dont sell their gifts, they tend to use them quietly and with humility for the benefit of others.

I hope you dont think im trying to give credibility to charlatens taking advantage of gullable individuals here because im not.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by podge

Yes but the term in itself does not carry any of this excess baggage with it, only the mind of the individual carries such connotations. Also Uri Geller as far as im aware claims to be a mentalist and not a telepath.

He's a mentalist alright.

The term does carry baggage though. No-one calls a little burning stick a "faggot" anymore do they?

Originally Posted by podge

Im not sure what phenomenon your speaking about here, body language ?

Body language has a large part to do with it but it can also appear to be spread by language or via an artistic channel, like music for example. That's where the true potential lies. It's very hard to put a finger on it though.

Originally Posted by podge

Apparently yes some people can. But i think your confusing telepathy with fortune telling here, these again are different things.

Fortune telling is cold reading. No more, no less. Yes, they are different things but many fortune tellers claim they find their answers through telepathy, which is a blatant lie.

Originally Posted by podge

Like i mentioned earlier, the people who have truelly mastered these abilities dont use them for show, or for personal gain, because going beyond the egoic state of consciousness seems to be essential for these abilities.

So they dont sell their gifts, they tend to use them quietly and with humility for the benefit of others.

Again, you're only assuming that you need to abandon egoic attitude in order to reach these states. The psychedelic experience would seem to suggest it because it often involves releasing your ego but not always. One righteous individual could use this talent, raise millions and feed starving children i.e. really helping people instead of this romanticised secret superhero guise. Shit, we could have a real life Dr Xavier on our hands.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by podge

And what term is better for attuning ones mind to somebody else's thoughts other than telepathy ?

In regards to noticing what is otherwise un-noticed, not strictly someone elses thoughts: awareness, insight, understanding, perception, to name a few.

Body language and someones inner thought processes are different things, because one is easily understood doesnt mean the other is too. Yes body language may contain tell tale signs of what a person may be thinking or feeling, this still does explain away all the cases of how people can glean detailed information from another persons brain.

Of course it cannot explain all cases. I was merely pointing out the connection and similarity.

I fail to see what this analogy has to do with what i said.

Originally Posted by podge

Most people would argue that taking the substance isnt nearly enough, the psychonaut must have knowledge or certain intentions going into the experience if they hope to access information otherwise unattainable.

In this case, the analogy applies to first learning how to swim in the shallow end before diving into the deep end. The psychonaut must first learn the basics before accessing more advanced information.

I don't believe this to be true. The application of my analogy describes that sometimes no previous knowledge or training is required. It is possible that one may begin a visionary journey into their mind with no preparation whatsoever, no forewarning, and no idea what to expect - and come back transformed or enlightened nonetheless.

I'm not arguing the probability of either. Nor pros/cons. Just sayin...