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Telepathy & Psychedelics
Here SWIM is again. It's funny, SWIM only seems to post threads on this forum when he's coming down from a very inspirational acid trip.
So SWIM and three friends ate some very extremely good blotter last night and at the end of the trip (now), SWIM and his friends discussed how psychedelics can almost bring a group of people together to one being. Last night, SWIM and his friends were literally sharing the same experience with one another. SWIM has experienced this a multitude of times, but never put it into words so well until he had three others to help. During a different acid trip, SWIM was tripping with one other person. They went to the movies and even people listening to them agreed that they seemed to be saying the same sentence. I'll try to explain this. The sentence would start off with one person and another would chime in, saying what the other person was just about to say. This would go on with the entire group the entire night. Even if that wasn't the case, they each knew exactly what the other was saying, even before he said it. At the very end of last night's acid trip (now), SWIM and his friends saw a guy across the street walking to his car. It's morning now and they all assumed at the exact moment that this guy was going to the gym. No one immediately said it. They all talked about how he was probably a douchey man. He was wearing plaid shorts and appeared to be in his 30's. SWIM knew he had a child and seemed like a more aggressive father. They discussed this and as soon as the conversation ended, SWIM said, "Yup, he's goin' to the gym." Immediately another said, "I was thinking that immediately when I flashed my eyes to see him... he's going to the gym." and another said, "I know exactly what you're saying, I immediately noticed it but didn't say anything because it was irrelevant to the conversation." SWIM and everyone agreed that they all felt the same way. What does this mean!? Is it possible that the human race is (or is evolving to be) able to pick up each other thoughts? SWIM wouldn't think that acid creates this ability. SWIM thinks that it's an ability possessed by humans but it is much much more enhanced and defined whilst on psychedelics. Does anyone have some experience they can shed on this? Please tell me SWIM isn't still tripping and just imagining all this nonsense. This is seriously a recurring phenomena SWIM has experienced. I feel like I've discovered a new ability to human-kind!!! |
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It's not a phenomenon, it's merely a coincidence. You'd be surprised how often this sort of thing happens when a group of people are observing something together, psychedelic use or not. When something of that sort happens on LSD, it might appear to have a more mystical connotation but it really doesn't.
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Nope, just partly the mushrooms, and partly the firm energy between three connected persons all working at the same goal: trying to experience the world (room) around them in a much more intense manner through the shroomies. jakored added 1 Minutes and 20 Seconds later... Quote:
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I dont believe this can be simply put down to mere coincidence, consciousness is far more dynamic than most people give it credit for and psychedelics can be helpful in bringing out the more intriguing aspects of it. Coincidence and the materialist view of reality also cant explain the phenomenon of contact highs.
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Contact highs could be described as merely being part of an atmosphere, or merely having the ability to pick up on other individual's behaviour. I do agree that coincidences seem remarkable when under the influence of psychedelics but it makes a lot of sense considering how psychedelic experiences tend to pan out. Each member is in the same chemically-altered state, a very similar state of mind, and when this is expressed in words, it seems like some sort of transcendent experience. Even in sobriety people share many of the same thoughts but never express it. I think MDMA is far more effective than LSD for reaching those states.
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Another thing SWIM noticed is that SWIY will become who SWIY spends time with. For example, SWIM spent time with a set of friends for years and only recently has he gotten new friends. He notices that his euphamisms and speech is now becoming extremely similar to his new friends' speech. This was also extremely pronounced on LSD.
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We still aren't aware of the validity of contact highs. Is it simply the sharing of an atmosphere or can one actually start seeing fractals if around LSD users without ever having taken some? It's a subjective area to say the least.
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The validity ? Im not sure what valid or invalid here, you mean you simply disbelieve the reports ? A contact high doesnt have to follow a set pattern like any trip, it may include different elements for different people. Indeed it is a subjective area, just like tripping ...and sobriety.
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it used to happen alot with swims friends wen they trip, thinking as one and seeing the same hallucination.
Also wen i'm ill (i got bi-polar) i can hear peoples thoughts |
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well this is what smurf has had for a while & it gets amplified on & after lsd even more. smurf believes strongly it is what all humans have the capability of if they choose to which comes with believing in things like this by not blocking it out & not just coincidance. smurf can read minds & it completely fucks out the insecure people on acid when around smurf. in day to day living smurf knows what people are gonna say or think & smurf almost wants to change their nasty ways in public places for example. but smurf has to hold back cos this kind of action could get smurf in to a fight.
smurf proves these things on a daily basis & there's too many coincidances in a day, some things that have happened are just too weird, amazing & far fetched to explain for others to understand. dont let people crush your spirits & beliefs, go with the flow with believing & see how deep it gets by testing to confirm. it has had negative effects from people such as people thinking smurf is a smart ass know it all when finishing peoples thoughts & sentences. yet it gives personal confirmation of what is'nt a misunderstood phenomenan. naturally smurf is only human & there are times where smurf is wrong but this is so rare to the correct rate that it is pretty overwhelming. tapping into the universal consciouness is a great thing if one can have a good connection with it it is amazing. sylenth added 12 Minutes and 55 Seconds later... Quote:
smurfs dog literally starts running in circles & bouncing off the walls! smurf has asked if the people felt something 'after' checking their actions & they confirmed feeling different. smurf is actually gonna purchase a video camera & record his dog before & while on lsd to show the effects, he has been around smurfs on drugs since a puppy it's as if he has human ways to him he speaks alot too 'obviously not words like we know it' but it is quite extraordinary like nothing ever seen before. Last edited by sylenth; 10-08-2008 at 19:05. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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This is the problem, people expect scientific evidence for everything. Some things just can't be explained scientifically "yet".
For instants, how do you explain how a bee can fly following the same path in mid air? It doesn't use a satellite navigation's system, it just knows. Many more things like this that science will just have to accept and maybe just start to understand that there is an intelligence behind it all. oggy added 33 Minutes and 29 Seconds later... Telepathy is possible without Psychedelics. Mirroring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S57lr...eature=related Emotion and thoughts can be passed on not words. Because you's were doing the same thing your subconscious mind would be connected. Did anyone watch the opening of the olympics? The 100's of drummers were all connected this way. Last edited by oggy; 10-08-2008 at 23:42. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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The following paragraph was written by some crazy man calling himself "SWIM". This SWIM fellow wrote it about three years ago, more towards the beginning of his 'drug career'. Before psychedelics.
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This is, indeed, an interesting debate. Swix has has his own unexplainable instances of 'apparent telepathy', both while in a psychedelic state and when in a 'normal', but anxious, state..... The problem is, of course, is that my own observations are heavily colored by subjectivity, albeit 'shared' by the other person, as well. Given that the psychedelic experience is often accompanied by a push toward empathy that is neurochemically driven and considering the adrenal oriented "fight or flight" stimulis/response loop - it begs the question: "Since adrenaline first creates the feeling of panic and the desire to fight or flee but ALSO simultaneously operates on another level to grant nearly a super-human, but temporary, ability to amplify one's abilities in those areas.... could it not be the same with empathogens; with the neurochemical symphony that gives rise to the powerful desire to empathize might also, in some related fashion, amplify ones ability to 'connect'? I realize I'm out on a limb here, but if anyone cares to research; back in the 60's there was a book written by a neuroscience researcher with a long and hard (for me) to pronounce name (from India, I believe) entitled, "Beyond Telepathy". In this book the author postulates that both sending and receiving, in telepathic episodes, may be mediated by the cholinergic system. To that end he set up a series of experiments wherein 'receivers' were dosed with a specified decoction of 'Amanita Muscaria Tea' to create a state of "anticholinergia" to enhance reception. Senders were dosed with a cholinergic drug like Bemegride (I think that was one used) in an effort to create a state of "cholinergia" and enhance sending ability.... He claimed to have some success in these experiments, as well. The subjects were then tested for enhanced performance in the stated areas; both in concert with each other and independant of each other. Remebering that this WAS the 60's and that the air was frequently abuzz with this subject matter, I make no claims as to its validity - but it struck a chord then and it still lingers in my mind. Maybe it bears another look within the context of current work? Hope this helps. X - Out.
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yeah inner science that the brain produces naturally is a science of it's own & there is clear differences between brain damage & a healthy utilised brain. from back in the day of humans using a small percentage of their brains to nowadays percentage rate increase... so until their is a device to predict the acuracy of ones mind & brains sciences there is going to be alot of sceptism going on.
our technology is nothing in the bigger picture of things. Last edited by sylenth; 11-08-2008 at 00:59. |
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Swim seems to have the ability to force people into 'psychic linking', perhaps its a state of hyper observation caused by insecurities in both swims self and those around swim.
The effects of psychedelics one ones body language could be plausible for the extent that telepathy can be observed (eg basal ganglia which controls unconscious action is heavily influenced by cannabis). Drugs seem to increase swims use body language, and tension accents of those actions. The common theme swim has seen with telepathic action is this 1. The person being read is drawing the reader in, some call it drawing attention to yourself (being paranoid?) or perhaps an inverted energy field that feeds of those around it. 2. The reader can justify their action within the aware peer group, and thus reap the rewards of turning someone into a spectacle thusly. 3. A reader is limited to their awareness of various thoughts, the more apt the readers observation, the more important that thought is to the reader. 4. If you are aware of someones thinking and they are not aware of it, then there is bound to be someone doing the same to you. |
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Psychedelics increase one's awareness to normal processes within the psyche. This includes such phenomena as telepathy. A friend of mine said it best - "I think it's more like an atrophied muscle." - as regards the ability to communicate without words. Perhaps it's a leftover from earlier times before the development of language. One needed to warn the family there was a Lion approaching. But one can't talk. So...through a biological process ingrained in the survival-instinct, one conveys the knowledge without speech.
This no doubt happens all the time. Only difference being that under the influence of mind-expanding molecules - one becomes aware of this. There is a broad and uncharted territory within the mind. This is what psychedelics prove. In my opinion the best bet is to note these things/events, but don't over-dramatize them. If one is utterly distracted by one finding then one may not notice other events that are at play. Just keep an open mind. |
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I don't think telepathy is the correct term though. I think it may be a heightened sense of awareness in the actions of others, such as how you might read facial expressions more deeply for example. Reading another's body language to witness fear or playfulness. These are the same instincts all animals use as they investigate, hunt and run for their lives. To call it telepathy, you would literally need to read exactly what is inside someone's head. We have mechanisms that allow us to read mood but we can't, for example, access someone's memories or directly read their thoughts. There's potential to what the psychedelic experience can do but I definitely think it has its limits as far as some of the more massive claims.
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Most people would argue that taking the substance isnt nearly enough, the psychonaut must have knowledge or certain intentions going into the experience if they hope to access information otherwise unattainable. For example the Shamans in the Amazon dont just take Ayahuasca and come back with information for the tribe regarding health,weather, the future etc, they are trained for many many years to use the substance in such a way where they learn to develop control over it and the realms which it gives one access to. The experience in itself is likely to not yield much for the average joe soap other than deep introspection and visual distortions , its what the user can do with the experience . |
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I think there's a lot more to this experience than what people describe as telepathy. That obscures the truth, ridicules it and makes it more difficult to pinpoint what may turn out to be an incredible discovery. Quote:
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Again mysticism is a term used only because the scientific model is outdated and is showing its weaknesses, in the newer models of reality, mysticism = explainable scientific phenomenon. Quote:
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Also id like to point out at this stage, Francis Crick , nobel prize winner, who claimed his first insight into the structure of DNA was while under the influence of LSD. That information was apparently unknown to anybody at that moment in time so he didnt deduce it from anybody else body language, he appeared to access a hidden channel to a profound wisdom. Or can that simply be explained away as unimportant or something like Quote:
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I agree that the term 'telepathy' is misleading. We may have developed language, which separates us from other animals, but it's a work in progress. The more we refine language, the less we will need to rely on ambiguous terms - such as 'telepathy.'
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alot of the mystical experiences are closely related to detachment from reality...psychotic thought patterns. Something that is far older than drugs and has capacity limited only by the individuals willingness to let go of things that keep them attached to the human condition. Perhaps the illness comes in when they innapropriately change their attachments to reality.
This is not something that is new or particular to modern thought and drug consumption. Some psychosis specialists believe that early on in the development of human existance we were all psychotic and that normalacy was established because people just were not happy. That would be the majority of peoples take on psychosis, some would have indulged greatly. lostmente added 2 Minutes and 54 Seconds later... Quote:
looking back through technological/social/spiritual advancement...is there a pattern? belief, faith, understanding. All seems to depend on where you stand at the time. Last edited by lostmente; 11-08-2008 at 03:02. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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