Opinions - Instant Kona-Kava Cocoa

[mikejones]

Whats the word with this stuff? These packs make 12 single doses or 6 supposed double strength doses. This would be bought from a popular online vendor(don't know rules about stating vendor sites) so the quality is hopefully decent. However, can SWIM expect the same euphoria given from plain old Kava root?

Also just an off topic question. If an herb is indeed legal, hence Kava, is it still necessary to use SWIM and conceal where it is gotten?

[Ontherooftops]

No idea what the internet sells as this. However, cocoa is pleasant in combination with kava kava, maybe giving a slight increase in euphoria if it has a high theobromide content. Its also terrific for completely eliminating the flavor of kava.

Swim frequently makes his own by dissolving kava liquid phytocaps in hot water and adding swissmiss or something of the like and some higher quality cocoa powder.

Discussing sources is not allowed in these forums, gold membership will allow one to view a sources forum, but untill then, even for legal ethnobotanicals, source discussion is against the rules.

[Jatelka]

With regards to incrimination and legal substances, bear in mind that some things are legal in some parts of the world and illlegal in others. The Mods do not have the the time, nor the inclination to check this for every post/substance.

This thread...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...riminate+legal

explains in more detail

[Bajeda]

The instant preparation varieties of Kava are decent, and they help you relax, but my dolphin doesn't get the same quality of effects as he would from regular powdered root. That may have something to do with dose however.

[mikejones]

Dose is probably the biggest factor. Well SWIM will give the instant kava a shot and post some feedback. Also, how much kava does your dolphin ingest before it is feeling good and does it actually swallow the powder or extract it first. SWIM has heard reports of nausea when the powder is eaten.

[DustWarden]

SWIM knows of the instant preparation you’re talking about & was just thinking about trying some - she will be interested to hear your results. She is very familiar with another “instant” from a reputable vendor and finds it… well, mostly satisfactory. Actually the potency has varied over time; last year she bought a batch that speedily & repeatedly put her on her ass. Lately it is definitely weaker, and SWIM wonders if this kind of variation might be the case with other “instants”. These days she uses about 3 heaping tablespoons over the course of 1-1.5 hours & usually gets fairly fuzzy.
She knows this much, however – she purchased some %84 kavalactone capsules from the vendor of the cocoa kava, and got nothing from them at 2-3x their recommended maximum dosage… make of that what you will, but she suspects SWIY will wind up making the “double strength” drinks. Bula!

[mikejones]

Yea SWIM heard the capsules suck. Well SWIMS package will hopefully arrive in 4 or 5 days so SWIM will get back with results.

[Ontherooftops]

Most of the capsules are absolutely awful, but by complete accident swim stumbled across a brand which is quite potent, producing equal anxiolytic effects to whole root but much easier to prepare and ingest with none of the nausea (which is usually mild anyway) and without the strong persisting kava tasting burps.

The capsules must be broken or punctured though, swim is a fan of the idea that saliva plays some role in kava's action. If that's not the case, its simply related to the amount of time they take to release.

[Panthers007]

Bongo and Associates is quite ffamiliar with this product. He, and friend who was recently in Tonga, think it is very good. Adjust dosage up slightly to make up for flavorings - and it's just fine. very fresh and well-made product.

[testodan]

Can any SWIY tell what's the difference with regular Kava root powder.Intsant Kona isn't and extract..

[Panthers007]

Oh Crimminey! What are you asking for here? It's cheap. It's available. It's good. Now what do you want? A full chemical-assay complete with GLC and mass-spectrophotometer chart of heavy-metal residues? I think the O.P's question has been answered adequately. Let the monkey try it and decide for itself. It's not the Hope Diamond - it's Kava~Kava.

[testodan]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

Oh Crimminey! What are you asking for here? It's cheap. It's available. It's good. Now what do you want? A full chemical-assay complete with GLC and mass-spectrophotometer chart of heavy-metal residues? I think the O.P's question has been answered adequately. Let the monkey try it and decide for itself. It's not the Hope Diamond - it's Kava~Kava.

Regular kava powder needs preparation(squeezing and the like),while Instant supposed to work just mixing and drinking,Having in mind that,someone who is using the regular powder,most know to adjust the dose for the instant.
How can just being mixed (And called instant) while all know isn't kava extract and is cheap as regular.(here is the difference,but where in the process,root quality?etc.)
Got?

[Female]

Swim just purchased Bananna Vanila Instant Kava. It doesn't taste like that. At all. Absolutely foul, but swim did put a lot of powder in the cup. She has no idea how this will affect her and will get back to you after she's feeling the affects.

She's definitely going to have to get powdered root. She must have had 7 or 8 tablespoons of the stuff and though she felt rather not sober, it wasn't the strength she knew Kava could have. Plus, it's disgusting. She might as well get the potency if she's already gagging down the stuff.

[Leonida]

SWIM has tried the instant Kava products and it elicited little to no effect, tho the numbing sensation in the mouth was present. SWIM thought she'd revive this thread in hopes that SWIY has any followup info on this particular preparation of Kava.

SWIM procured her batch from a vendor who is purported to be a reputable mainland source. She selected the instant powder out of convenience knowing what prep methods are involved with the more popular root powder. She also selected it based on a suggestion (in another thread here) that it is as potent as root powder (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...16&postcount=4).

SWIM suspects that the instant powder is marketed to the crowd who favors a more convenient Kava product and wonders how much of the kavalactones is lost in the transition from root to instant powder.

SWIM should preface her remarks with the fact that she is new to Kava products and is researching methods to manage anxiety.

Have the best day!

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[Jasim]

Swim has just recently started experimenting with kavalactones and has been pleased with the results. Swim has only found 1 tea sold locally that is mixed with other substances. The brand is Yogi Tea.

[Leonida]

Originally Posted by Jasim

Swim has just recently started experimenting with kavalactones and has been pleased with the results. Swim has only found 1 tea sold locally that is mixed with other substances. The brand is Yogi Tea.

SWIM wonders about the effectiveness of Kava tea products in light of the claim that hot or boiling water destroys the active ingredient in Kava called kavalactones.

Can SWIY resolve this conundrum?

[Jasim]

Good question swiLeonida. Swim has seen a lot of conflicting information on this.

Here are swims opinions on the matter:
1. Swim has noticeable effects after drinking hot tea with kavalactones.
2. Kavalactones have a great deal of aromaticity in their chemical structures, which would make them rather stable molecules.


Swim would like to see some scientific sources on this matter. Swim would love to be able to dispel the conflicting views and controversy surrounding kavalactones and heat.

[Leonida]

Originally Posted by Jasim

Good question swiLeonida. Swim has seen a lot of conflicting information on this.

Here are swims opinions on the matter:
1. Swim has noticeable effects after drinking hot tea with kavalactones.
2. Kavalactones have a great deal of aromaticity in their chemical structures, which would make them rather stable molecules.


Swim would like to see some scientific sources on this matter. Swim would love to be able to dispel the conflicting views and controversy surrounding kavalactones and heat.

Good Evening! SWIM agrees with the statement about conflicting information. SWIM is realizing that the more one reads about personal Kava experiences, the more frustrated one can become.

SWIM feels compelled to try the Yogi product given SWIY's candid testimony. SWIM thanks you for the suggestion and may report back on this very thread.

Have the best evening, and a better tomorrow!

[Female]

Originally Posted by Leonida

Good Evening! SWIM agrees with the statement about conflicting information. SWIM is realizing that the more one reads about personal Kava experiences, the more frustrated one can become.

SWIM feels compelled to try the Yogi product given SWIY's candid testimony. SWIM thanks you for the suggestion and may report back on this very thread.

Have the best evening, and a better tomorrow!

From most of the research SWIM has read, she gathers that heat can destroy the kavaclones. Also, when trying to find a good dosage for anti anxiety and recreational use, comparing to the tea in question, she found that one would have to use like 4 boxes of tea to get the same effect as powdered root. The tea is expensive and for swim, a waste of money. Also, swim has been told to make an emulsion rather than an extraction, so most people soak their kava in milk or coconut milk (which is the traditional brew) before consumption. If swiy really wants the power of kava, swim suggests the powdered root as the only way to go. She's tried tinctures, pills, teas, and instant mixes to no avail. Straight for the source on this one .