Oral use - Kratom liqour

[Alfa]

I was discussing the possibility of making kratom beer with my buddies, whic is an interesting concept.

Another idea (probably a lot easier as well), is making a kratom liquor. Do you have some ideas about this? How would SWIY do this?

[radiometer]

Should be easy, mitragynine is highly soluble in alcohols I believe.

[Bajeda]

See Psych0naut's recent post in the Best way to take kratom powder thread.

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

SWIM tried taking it dissolved in a mug of instant chocolate milk as well, but if was god awful, never doing that again. The best way to take Kratom in regards of getting the most effect out of it, has been putting it in strong drinking alcohol (Jagermeister in his case), and heating it in a microwave at 20 or 30 second intervals. After this, it can be filtered to remove the powdered Kratom leaf and stems, so only a filtered solution remains. This still tastes incredibly disgusting, but at least one only has to take a small volume that way, and SWIM noticed it gave him much more pronounced effects at a smaller compared to a larger dose in chocolate milk, which did much less to him. It seems as if the Ethanol dissolves all the alkaloids, and also raises the bioavailability, possibly because the alkaloid/Ethanol suspension crosses the stomach lining much quicker and more effective, causing stronger and more pronounced effects. SWIM really reccomends any SWIMmers to make an extract out of the Kratom with strong drinking alcohol and consume that, it works much better than any water based solutions like tea.

Kratom's solubility in alcohol, as mentioned by radiometer, is briefly discussed here ---> Fastest, Easiest and Best Kratom Recipe



Kratom beer sounds like an interesting adventure to embark upon, but one needs to seriously ponder how to get around the issue of taste!

[Stephenwolf]

Would it ferment properly? an Unknown person has always wanted to try fermenting different psychoactives but because of limited knowledge in brewing didn't want to risk accidentally using a plant that'll create methanol.

[Sparrowspay]

i heard it is possible to make alcohol out of anything with carbon in it, for instance in some desert there are nomads that make alcohol out of card board so it must be possible but i dont know how u would go about it.

[nEone]

SWIM has made Kratom liquor. He used a half pint of 80% ethanol and 150g of crushed bali leaves. He let the leaves soak for a week, and strained the tincture off. Then he watered the result down to 40% (vodka strength).

That gave him 16oz of liquid, which is a little under 10g Kratom/per oz. The result was a golden brown liquor that was really really grossly bitter.

He added simple-syrup (sugar water) until the taste was vaguely palatable. It was a lot easier to drink over ice than neat.

The results were encouraging, definitely more than a shot of vodka - but less than 10g of Bali powder would give with a Toss-n-wash.

Since then, SWIM has experimented with adding in a water-boil after the alcohol soak, and the resulting 10% tonic is decidedly more effective.

As for adding to a beer - SWIM has also been considering this, instead of hops as a bittering agent, why not use kratom? It's certainly bitter enough. SWIM isn't sure if the boiling temp is too hot for Kratom's key attributes...he's heard that a full-boil will degrade the potency. If so, then the Kratom could be added at the end of the boil and left in the primary fermentation. He doesn't think that the low alcohol would really do much for extraction, but who knows? He'll give it a show next batch of beer.

In terms of distilling a kratom spirit - again, the boiling temp is a concern. SWIM also isn't sure that the properties would distill over with the alochol. Worth a try though. He's been meaning to rig up a smaller still - his 5G reflux still is a little much for projects like this.

[nEone]

This thread has had me thinking re: Kratom Beer.

One problematic thing with beer is that you're talking about a LOT of Kratom. Homebrewers usually brew in 5 Gallon batches.

Suppose you want to have 8-10g Kratom per pint. There are approx 40 pints in 5 gallons.

That's 400G of Kratom.

Unless you've got your own tree - that's one expensive experiment. It's a pretty sure thing that it will WORK...but it's not clear at ALL if it will be palatable.

Actually...most people drink more than one beer. So maybe you really only want 4-5g Kratom per beer. So call it 200-250g per batch.

As for the flavor/beer-style....My thinking is that, theoretically, you'd want a stout. A dark coffee and molasses stout. A lighter beer tends to want a sharper, more floral hops.

Thoughts?

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Stephenwolf

Would it ferment properly? an Unknown person has always wanted to try fermenting different psychoactives but because of limited knowledge in brewing didn't want to risk accidentally using a plant that'll create methanol.

Ethanol is produced by certain types of yeast that are added to whatever liquid is being fermented. Is is the result of the partial metabolism of sugar by the yeast. You will not run a risk of producing methanol by using various sugar containing plants.

Originally Posted by Sparrowspay

i heard it is possible to make alcohol out of anything with carbon in it, for instance in some desert there are nomads that make alcohol out of card board so it must be possible but i dont know how u would go about it.

Not carbon, but more specifically, sugar.

Originally Posted by nEone

As for the flavor/beer-style....My thinking is that, theoretically, you'd want a stout. A dark coffee and molasses stout. A lighter beer tends to want a sharper, more floral hops.

Thoughts?

I agree, a thicker, fuller beer would be more palatable that a light lager. Perhaps a dark ale with an assortment of other herbal or fruit flavors could mask the taste of kratom.