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why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

swim is wondering why european heroin injectors mix citric acid in with their h when cooking it. its completly unheard of here in the usa.
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Re: why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

SWIM believes its because they get a different type of heroin that needs an acid to break it down in order to be injected
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Re: why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

If heroin is in a base form (aka "brown" heroin) it is good for smoking but not as good for injecting. By mixing it with citric acid, it forms the citrate salt and thus is suitable for injection.
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Re: why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

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If heroin is in a base form (aka "brown" heroin) it is good for smoking but not as good for injecting. By mixing it with citric acid, it forms the citrate salt and thus is suitable for injection.
swim sees brown heroin here in the u.s, even though its slightly less common than white, and he's never used or heard of anyone use citric acid cooking it, should they be? or are there different kinds of brown heroin?
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Re: why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

we mix citric acid or vitamin C into our heroin when we cook as it wont dissolve without it.there are plenty of other posts on here about this topic and also the different kinds of heroin available ( heroin number 1,2,3,4 and the ubiquitous 'black tar') may i sugest you do a search for more info...
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Re: why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

There are two forms of Heroin predominant in the US; black tar heroin and heroin #4. The latter is powder heroin, which comes as the water soluble heroin hcl. In Europe, we only have the freebase #3 with caffeine. The reason it's the freebase it because the base vaporises at much lower temperatures, making it much easier to smoke without destroying any heroin by the heat. The caffeine is added to lower the boiling point even more, so it vaporises at even lower temperatures, making it even more effiecient to smoke. Because free bases aren't water soluble, they need an acid to turn the base into a water soluble salt. That's why often people add either citric or ascorbinic acid to their heroin, here in Europe, to turn it into water soluble salts for injection.

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Re: why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

Raw heroin that has not been properly refined needs an acid to become water-soluble. BUT, in the U.S., SWIM has never run into "raw" unrefined dope. Most comes prepackaged from Columbia, bagged, stamped, and ready to inject. SWIM wouldn't trust anybody who was trying to sell her unrefined dope--shady, suspect, don't understand why anyone would use it unless it's really all that's available. SWIM would prefer methadone to unrefined/unprocessed dope ANYDAY.

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swim sees brown heroin here in the u.s, even though its slightly less common than white, and he's never used or heard of anyone use citric acid cooking it, should they be? or are there different kinds of brown heroin?
There are different kinds of brown heroin. The only time SWIM has ever seen "raw" brown heroin was when a daeler showed her something he got "straight out the egg" that was going to be further processed with some sort of acidic agent.

Most powdered, water-soluble heroin (which would be 99% of what's available in the U.S. in powder form--the exception here is black tar which is weak and therefore only strong enough if injected) is beige-brown in color. It's only "raw" if it's sort of thick brown granules the texture of coffee grounds but lighter in color...

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Re: why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

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It's only "raw" if it's sort of thick brown granules the texture of coffee grounds but lighter in color...
Not really.......I've seen american dope, and visually, you can't tell the difference, they're both white to brown powders. I've never seen anything granulated.

tis a shame you guys can't smoke it, swim loves the smell and taste of some quality afghan, it's a great way to chill out with friends, and swiy'd have a hard time o.d.ing on it.

mmmmmmm swim's gona go score an eigth.....
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Re: why do european heroin injectors mix citric acid?

Yes you can tell the difference SWIM has seen both after all..."raw" opium definitely looks very different from heroin 4, not in color but in texture.

Look up pictures on google image search, I'm sure you'll find something...

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And one certainly *can* smoke heroin 4, it's just a waste of good drugs since so much smoke escapes.

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