Opinions - Best sleeping pill?

[kuplo]

I've found that xanax was the best sleeping pill 2mg of xanax and I would be out like a light for 10 hours and wake up feeling great.

However it's highly habit forming, I was taking (when I finally quit) 12mg per day and it put me into a wheel chair because I couldn't walk around anymore for fear of hurting myself from falling down.

One day I said, Im done with this and that was that. No withdrawls for me for some reason, but I've not found a better sleeping pill than that and we've tried all the non narcotic pills like the lunesta's and ambien's and a slew of others. Oh one 10/325 Norco will put me to sleep but I'll wake up from the pain, 2 of them and IM awake all night.

[highganja99]

BTW SWIM mean't Tetrazepam

[doublezero]

swims favourite was called still nocht (silent night in german swim thinks), cant remember the chemical name. Ive only tried zimovane/zopiclone which swim dont like because of the taste,swim lives in england. still nocht were small white pills

doublezero added 10 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...

just read all the posts and found out that still nocht were a form os zopiclone, so what in zimovane/zopiclone gives u the bad taste that isnt in still nocht, thanx

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by roadking3322

I also am a insomniacThe only thing that seems to work used sparingly is flunitrazepam however in the US the government has decided we cannot buy this anywhere here, is it easy to buy in your country? can you go to a Pharmacy and just buy it, or is a doctors visit necessary?

Ofcourse not. It's a Class B drugs if I'm correct, but certainly highly regulated, together with temazepam, they are both even more strictly regulated than all other benzodiazepines. Like anywhere else in the Western World, and Europe at that.

Originally Posted by doublezero

swims favourite was called still nocht (silent night in german swim thinks), cant remember the chemical name. Ive only tried zimovane/zopiclone which swim dont like because of the taste,swim lives in england. still nocht were small white pills

doublezero added 10 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...

just read all the posts and found out that still nocht were a form os zopiclone, so what in zimovane/zopiclone gives u the bad taste that isnt in still nocht, thanx

Stilnoct is the brand name zolpidem is marketed under by either Sanofi-Aventis, or Novartis. Can't remember which one invented it, but it's either one of the two. Zolpidem is a French invention, not German. Imovane is the brand name for zopiclone. The substance that gives that nasty metallice taste the next morning is the active ingredient itself, zopiclone

[thegirlghost]

ambien for prescription
doxylalamine succinate (antihistamine) for OTC - but terrible for rec. usage

[Dexyfiend]

Altrazopam for sleeping... 2mg usually does the trick
diazepam is ok too, between 25 - 50 mg though swim usually finds that it is so enjoyable recreationally that he dosent want to sleep although he would be out like a light in 10mins if he lay down and closed his eyes.
Temazepam is also good but swim finds it is piss weak and needs at least 50mg, it's also decent for recreation.
Zolpidem is FUCKED UP in swims opinion... he took a couple of tabs of it once and ended up talking to a large gathering of imaginary stuffed animals whilst banging into walls and falling over alot. Swim is lucky he didnt hurt himself.
Good for sleep though with very little recreational potential

[Herbal Healer 019]

Butalbital (fiorcet), in doses of 250mg & up are very sedating & perfect for sleep disorders, but only in lower dosages should barbs b used for this reason because they can dangerously depress respiration at unpredictable doses.

Butalbital intoxication 4 SWIM is more desirable in less sedating doses. & was suprised at the level of sedation on a 250mg dose w/ a small amount cannabis & a small amount of alcohol tho.

But keep in mind SWIM does not get sedated anymore by cannabis alone or alcohol, let alone any downer besides butalbital or a high dose of opiates

[MDudeOnDaRocks]

Everyone is different, but the best sleeping med swim has tried was actually Rozerem (ramelteon), it knocked swims ass out for 13 hours. Swim will give Ambien (zolpidem) first, because who wants to sleep for 13 hours.

[doublezero]

thanx psyconaut.
don't need sleepers anymore as the docs has got me on cloazapine/clozaril, and puts me 2sleep after an hour or so,

[sweetsugar]

Swim didnt read the full thread... but
Nitrazepam, swim sleeps like a log after takeing them (properly - as percribed, lol) some people have a few side effects, like the groggy feeling in the morning and maybe even a little moodiness, it passes. Swim doesnt mind that groggy feeling and goes about her day fine.

[chillinwill]

100mg of seroquel def is the one that works for swim for the best sleep....swim's tried ambien, lunesta, temazepam, and none of have worked as well as seroquel does

[ozzy_paul]

Originally Posted by chillinwill

100mg of seroquel def is the one that works for swim for the best sleep....swim's tried ambien, lunesta, temazepam, and none of have worked as well as seroquel does

Swim has tryied seroquel 100mg once and it did nothing. Swim thought that was strange. Swim get knocked out when has 2 temazepam though,not sure of the mg though.
Swim might have to go to the doc today and see if ambien is doable as he is all dried out of sleepers and hasn`t slept for 3 days now.
Doc always tries to prescribe stilnox but they only made swims eyes tired but brain was still working over time. Swim was last prescribed mirtazapam but has to have (4) 30mg to be able to sleep. But swim does wake up with a heavy head and is lazy for the first 2 hours of the day after taking mirtazapam.

[Panthers007]

SWIM is advised to be very careful with Seroquel. It can come back the next day during an inopportune time - driving a car - and SWIM will be back asleep. Crash!!

No shit!

[chillinwill]

swim has never had that happen to him when taking seroquel but i will def be careful taking it

[Swifindingm]

Swim has tried zolpidem, lunesta, and temazapam. Swim doesn't like feeling drowsy the next day so lunesta is out of the question, and temazapam's high sucks. So swim likes zolpidem. Are there any better sleep aids? Swim doesn't care about addiction. Thanks.

[yaba]

Swim is on zopiclone 7.5mg daily (lunestra, zimovane, zimmy's, etc) Has been on temazepam long, long time ago, when he was 14 can't remember that much about it.
He can get zolpidem 10mg, in resonable amounts (60 a month )

Swim also is on diazepam,

Out of all of them swim uses less zolpidem then any of the others. Swim had a mad one with zolpidem and alcohol one's, Has now more respect for them now.

Swim thinks out of all, zopiclone gives him the least hangover and he can get up on time for his early shift !! But when he is working nights zolpidem might be better to knock swim out quickly, 20mg will be swims quick sleeping dose.

And not caring about addiction...... Don't mean this in a bad way, But any withdrawal isn't fun !!!
Ask around, read up about withdrawal about whatever your friend will be taking.

[Swifindingm]

Thanks, but I've been addicted to Xanax, coke, and I guess nicotine and it was bad, but I can handle it. Thanks though.

[killerfromsky]

For recreational use, SWIM thinks Zolpidem are the best.
Just snort 1 or 1,5 for starter and drink a little alcohol.
And SWIM means a little!

Then just stay awake for 45 min and there will be some nice visuals etc.

Later on SWIY can snort more pills and drink a little more, but still be very carefull!

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Originally Posted by yaba

Out of all of them swim uses less zolpidem then any of the others. Swim had a mad one with zolpidem and alcohol one's, Has now more respect for them now.

SWIM also had that once, was freaky!
But now SWIM still likes zolpidem the most, but with very little alcohol.

[Jatelka]

Couple of errors in your monkey's post, static vodka

Amitryptiline is a tricyclic, not an anti-psychotic and Trazodone is a novel antidepressant, a triazolopyridine derivative

[Blu_berrytoke]

Swim has used many different sleeping meds, but for some reason, most greatly potentiate swim restless legs. Ambien is by far the best one swim has used... as well as abused large amounts. On a high enough dosage, swim has a near-psychadelic trip.

[Dickon]

My cat told me this story...

Unless I've missed something, no-one has mentioned the one true and simple answer to this question : none. It's like the story of God and the Devil playing golf; God tees off, the ball is whizzing straight for the hole and a frog jumps out of the hole swallows the ball, and goes running for the rough, at which time a snowy owl flies down, grabs the frog and flies back to the hole,...etc.....,make it up here....until God turns to the devil and says "Are we going to fuck about or are we going to play golf?". I tend to think the same about sleeping pills and potions. "Are we going to fuck about or are we going to get some proper sleep".

OK, I'm being a little facetious, but I do think a healthy lifestyle, good food, air, exercise, no drugs or alcohol, give a far better nights sleep than any sleeping pill. A clear conscience probably helps too. lol.

Try valerian pills and chamomile tea first would be my advice, before going all pharmacological (yes I know the difference between natural and artificial is a false one in some ways, but valerian and chamomile are mild and are unlikely to do much harm). If you can't sleep then there is probably a reason, and knocking yourself out is unlikely to help unless it is a short term temporary stress-related thing.

My own experience [remember this is my cat talking - Dickon] is that benzodiazepines are not great sleep agents. Sure they work fine if you have no tolerance, and usually a low dose will work. I found triazolam (halcion) the best non-recreational benzo, due to its short half-life, I think. I didn't feel hungover in the morning. It is also not considered a good recreational benzo, so is marginally less likely to be problematic. There were stories doing the rounds about paradoxical effects and it was even taken off the market. As far as I know, this was found to be no more prevalent with triazolam than othr benzos and it was put back on the market subsequently. Temazepam works well, although as a lesson in tolerance I'd mention one night when I took 30 20mg pills, slept for 2-3 hours, took another 30, slept for another 2-3 hours, took another 30 and slept for 2-3 hours. So 90 20mg pills in all for one nights sleep. That's 200 times a dose that if I took now would probably knock me out! Tolerance and dependence to benzos builds up rapidly, although I found physical addiction to the older benzos took many months/years to develop. Recently I found things like alprazolam (Xanax) and clonazepam (Klonopin) much more addictive. This might simply be explained by previous addiction, but I don't think so, for reasons too long and boring to mention. I also found midazolam a good sleep aid as far as benzos go. I'd recommend against Diazepam and especially Nitrazepam(Mogadon - that's a name to conjure with!); the hangover effects are mentioned on this thread in re Nitrazepam but I found them distressing, although my hangover effects / feelings towards them are far from consistent. I've never tried flunitrazepam (Rohypnol), but it generally gets a good press as a strong benzo, so it's worth a look in although it's hard to get.

When I was a child I was given sedating anti-histamines and they seemed to work, although probably were not needed. I had no ill effects. Today I'd not eat one if I were paid. I hate the hangover effects I get, far worse than benzos I.M.O. Similarly I found using sedating tricyclics (I can't remember which one/s I tried) knocked me out even when mildly junk-sick but I woke up feeling so awful that morphine was the only answer. Not good again.

I only used zopiclone once (when it was prescribed for an opiate detox), and I found the taste unbearable (taste and smell become heightened in opiate w.d. at least for me) so can't vouch for it, or the acid-on-tongue remedy mentioned above. Zolpidem (Ambien, Stillnocht) does seem another working sleeping pill. I've used them occasionally with fairly good results, but never for any length of time.

The only barbiturates I've used are phenobarbitol (avoid avoid avoid, it's way too long acting, and is a hangover-king) and sodium amytal, which although I only had a few 200mg pills did work well, without noticeable hang-over. There seemed nothing "magical" about the barbiturates, that would make me prefer them over benzos. They are just harder to find and more dangerous. No great euphoria, but they do shut down the brain in a different (more complete? subjectively speaking) way.

In opiate withdrawal I'd avoid sleeping aids except for the chamomile tea and valerian. Some recommend benzos, but apart from perhaps small doses to cope with some of the visceral anxiety I'd not recommend them, details again long and off-topic here, essentially because one wants to return to a normal sleep pattern as soon as possible.

For amphetamine use (dexamphetamine and amphetamine sulphate), I found morphine very good to induce sleep and help with the comedown, but if you're not an opiate addict, I'd say using opiates in any form is usually stupid except for severe pain.

So you see, when I said a drug-free nights sleep is best, I wasn't making some mad rant from a position of no experience! Should I say the obvious? Why not! Avoid alcohol and caffeine if you can't sleep too. Alcohol might get you to sleep, but it makes for a bad nights sleep; I think this is researched, but I'm not going to google it now. Caffeine is a blindingly obvious thing to avoid. I know the culture now, especially in America is to go reaching for the pill-bottle when something doesn't feel right, but unless you have a serious problem it's best to spend a week or three tossing and turning than to get addicted to some benzo or z-drug.

Sweet dreams to all, however you chose to get them

Dickon

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[Blu_berrytoke]

^As usual, a very insightful post by dickon. I'm going to have to agree that for a healthy nights sleep, NO sleeping pills is definitely the best option.
As far as using sleeping pills for fun goes though, ambien still gets my vote.

[tyranny4u]

swim likes brotizolam for quick sleep inducement and lormetazepam for all-night-sleep. brotizolam is nearly as potent as triazolam, but feels much "smarter".
lormetazepam is the only BD hypnotic SWIM knows that really gives SWIM recreational sleep, when taken in moderate dosage ( 1mg - 2mg). no hangover, no strange feeling as with temazepam.
btw: SWIM would say that lormetazepam is not much weaker than flunitrazepam, regarding the hypnotic effects. but lormetazepam won't give euphoria to most people. SWIM thinks that 2 mg of lormetazepam hit you as hard as 1 mg of flunitrazepam when taken as a sleeping aid.

[darkbreed]

Rohypnol (Flunitrazepam), Dormicum (Midazolam) and Restoril (Temazepam) is SWIM's favorite sleepers.

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Nitrazepam and lormetazepam is also pretty decent.

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[Man5onite]

The best sleeping pill SWIM has tried, was flunitrazepam.
Made SWIM very giddy, and then..sleep.
Nitrazepam was very similar, but less potent,15mg seemed the same as 1 mg flunitrazepam.