short course methadone detox

[msmogadon]

A couple of SWIYs may know a wee bit about SWIMs desperate situation.
SWIM thought she was royally f*cked however the doctor has given SWIM a 10 day methadone detox. It goes a little something like this

Day 1. 30mls, Day 2. 30mls,
Day 3. 25mls, Day 4. 25mls,
Day 5. 20mls, Day 6. 20mls,
Day 7. 15mls, Day 8. 15mls,
Day 9. 10mls, Day 10. 10mls,
Day 11. 5mls, Day 12. 5mls

SWIM is wondering if any other SWIMs have ever done this and what their experiences of this are? Is SWIM in for a rough ride? SWIM has been using approx 0.8g at least every day IV twice a day and the rest on the foil in between.
SWIM is over the moon to be getting this. SWIM took her first dose this afternoon and has a wee bit on the foil to finish then is not planning to touch the gear after its gone.
SWIM will also use Lofexidine and promethazine. SWIM also can get valium but is not a massive fan of using it in detox as it makes her feel like sh*t.
SWIM still can't believe the doctor gave her this she has been given a chance and she is going to try and make it work so much.
Thanks for reading. SWIYs comments and opinions would be much appriecated

[Caitlin23]

Well, Swim has never heard of this rapid detox, but as far as the valiums go. Swiy should definately not take valium with methadone. Swim has heard from people at the methadone clinic and drs that it can be fatal when methadone and valium (or any other benzos) are mixed.
I hope everything goes well for SWIY! Good Luck!

[Spare Chaynge]

swim Has often herd of this methadone detox procedure done at clinics with friends... It seemed a lot longer for his friends than 12 days

Some advice and questions.. are you truly ready to be off the heroin? Do you want to live a clean and sober life and refrain from everything? Or just the opiates?

Swim judging by amount of heroin swiy was using thinks that this 12 day detox is medically correct.. the question is mentally can you handle not having that soft cushion.
If you are not this can set you up for a common occurrence of an addict getting clean for a couple of weeks and then shooting what they normally do and then dying.

If you are ready, get a support network Na ,anybody who had dealt with addiction and beat it , is better than somebody who is just supportive. But people who are supportive of you efforts need to be around you at all times. Do not hang around old friends that use opiates. Erase your contacts. Do not go back to heroin. If you must, get back on methadone but never never go back to heroin. Do positive things that one usually does not do on drugs.

Please try and refrain from other drugs.. swim used benzos with the methadone maintence program, eventually he relocated with the gnarliest addiction to benzos ever. swims talking huge amounts here even addicts were like what the fuck.

You can and will get addicted to any drug that you use to replace the cushion that opiates use to provide. Benzo addiction is way worse than opiate for this swim.

To sum it up this detox will work if swiy truly wants it to.. If swim just wants to shoot dope like a normal person (lol). Than forget it. swiy will end up in a hole twice as big as the one shes in now if she tries this.

Pm swim if you have any questions. swim has done the methadone experience and was hooked to opiates for about 5 years he was an iv user. Now hes 7 months clean and sober from all drugs

Or post in the recovery forum

swim will post more when you answer the questions

[Lisa J]

Some of SWIM'S friends have done 12 day detox in prison (don't think they do this now after a prisoner went to court and won) and they said it was hell. Most were on at least 70ml of methadone and using on top so for them it was a very rapid reducer. It will only work if SWIY wants it to, if SWIY is just struggling to keep the heroin habit going but would happily continue using if money wasn't an issue then methadone maintenance would be the answer. Good luck and remember there are lots of us in the same situation

[drug-bot]

depends, is swiy detoxing from methadone or heroin (or other short acting opiate)?

if swiys been on methadone maitance and is coming of this way prepare to be moderately sick for a few weeks. the best way to come off methadone maitance is 1mg a week, it takes awhile, but its the best to not feel sick.

if swiys coming off heroin (or other short acting opiate) its a pretty standard detox then, and swiy shouldnt expect to be sick after, though swiy will most likely still have problems sleeping for a while and feel depressed and listless for awhile.

[msmogadon]

Thanks everyone for taking the time to read my post.
SWIM is doing well. Its been 24 hours now since SWIM has had any heroin. SWIM slept well last night however woke up pretty strung out this morning (waking up is one of SWIMs triggers ) so SWIM was waiting outside the chemist at 9 o'clock.
The good thing is though SWIM has no desire to use heroin at all, is able to see a future and is letting her body heal. It feels as though 2 million tonnes has been lifted from SWIMs shoulders. The bad feelings are there but SWIM is able to tolerate it until she gets her dose (just).
There is no way SWIM would use just now. SWIM feels grateful to have this small dose of methadone at all cause the doc could easily have chucked her on the 1 year waiting list for methadone maintenence.
SWISpare: SWIM has done a few detoxes and has paid her self through rehab twice and always used again because it was there in front of her when she got home. This will not happen this time as her bf is clean as well. SWIM feels so bad for wasting so much money on rehab and accepts the challenge of living clean. She dosn't really use other drugs or drink much either. She is thinking of it in reverse psychology terms. Much of her life has been spent on drugs so the experience of being clean will be a new feeling and a better kind of buzz
Using is just not an option for SWIM anymore so even if she wanted to she couldn't so she'd better just get on with it.
So far so good but maybe SWIM won't be saying that next week

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hope she's okay

[Psych0naut]

SWIM has been dabbling with the brown stuff for a wee bit too long as well, IV'ing it daily for the last 2 months, and one month of IV Fentanyl before that. Now SWIM wants to get off of it as well, so he switched back to snorting it several days ago, and plans on doing a rapid detox as well on friday (he's leaving on a 2 week holiday abroad then, with no opioids going with him). He only has 6x5mg Methadone and a tiny bit of Tramadol left. He might be able to get some opioids this week, before leaving on holiday, but he seriously doubts he'll be getting any. He could however try his dealer for some Methadone, but the bit of Methadone he does have, he got through someone else. But who knows, we'll see. Good luck to you, SWIMsmogadon. Hang in there buddy, you can do it!

[englishkid]

SWIM has got down to 55mg daily. Still supervised(uk law) after 2 months. SWIM is desperate for the vanquishing of this green devil.
Anyway, SWIM is gonna do the Ibogaine thing. But do you not watch these videos and 2 days later they're feeling okay, maybe a bit ropey. THAT'S cos your half life on the methadone is still kicking round ya system. But all that said, SWIM'S still gonna try it. Either that or try Will Burroughs apomorphine detox.

Beware of your green, government liquid.....

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by englishkid

SWIM has got down to 55mg daily. Still supervised(uk law) after 2 months. SWIM is desperate for the vanquishing of this green devil.
Anyway, SWIM is gonna do the Ibogaine thing. But do you not watch these videos and 2 days later they're feeling okay, maybe a bit ropey. THAT'S cos your half life on the methadone is still kicking round ya system. But all that said, SWIM'S still gonna try it. Either that or try Will Burroughs apomorphine detox.

Beware of your green, government liquid.....

Could SWIY explaine more about the apomorphine detox? Apomorphine does not bind to the mu-opioid receptor, but acts on dopamine instead, so it doesn't sound like much of use for getting off of opioids.

[msmogadon]

Thanks for the support SWIeveryone.
Today is day 4 and SWIM is doing well. A few cravings here and there but nothing extreme. SWIM is worrying that she likes the feeling from the methadone a bit too much. She likes the way she is always on a level. She has noticed that it makes her feel quite spaced in comparison to heroin. Sort of like daydreaming rather than a full nod. Also she can't stop eating. She feels hunger in her belly all the time! Also sleeping like a log every night.
She thinks maybe this has something to do with the crap quality of the gear she was using before the detox started.
SWIM is also proud that shes managed not to drink alcohol or take any other drugs (so far)

One question: Does any SWIone know how long it takes lumps to go away from injection sites?? SWIMs doctor said it was thrombosis. But not to worry cause its near the surface of the skin. Shes coming to the end of a course of antibiotics. The lumps have been there for about 2.5 weeks. They are a bit smaller and not sore anymore but man they look UGLY

[MiMoMo]

The lumps you describe are common with not only vaccines but just about anything that is injected through the skin (including antibiotics, allergy shots, depo provera, etc.). SWIM had a VERY large lump (size of an egg) following a penicillin injection although knowing that not allergic to penicillin.

For some children, the lump represents just swelling from the muscle tissues being disrupted, capillaries leaking fluid, etc. - this type of lump tends to go away pretty quickly. The lump may also represent accumulation of blood - like a deep bruise - this can take weeks to resolve. Another type of lump is a local reaction to a vaccine component - typically one of the adjuvants or stabilizers that remains in the muscle and causes some irritation (oftentimes red and warm). Much more rarely, a child can develop a sterile abscess or develop a granuloma at the site of the injection - both are inflammatory reactions.

With most of the types of lumps, they typically resolve completely in a matter of weeks. Unless SWIY had an immediate type hypersensitivity (allergic) reaction, then a lump is considered a mild reaction and would not be a contraindication to further vaccination. There is no indication that reactions like this get "worse" with subsequent vaccination. But they probably don't get any better if further aggravated, either.

SWIM admires SWIY's determination to restore her native brilliance. Congratulations on what must be about Day 4 and a half. Absolutely delightful that appetite and sleep come easily to the rescue! SWIM will contribute some prayers in SWIY's direction for the 'home stretch' and beyond. Hip-hip-hurray!

[Psych0naut]

It could well be possible that SWIY is eating so much, and sleeping like a log every night to catch up on what SWIY missed during the period SWIY was using. Heroin supresses hunger and thirst, and ofcourse suppresses pain, so when one's belly would normally start to hurt of hunger after not eating for a while, one would not feel this or only weakly when taking Heroin at the same time. Your kitten should be proud of herself, staying off of alcohol and other drugs. Staying sober, not replacig the Heroin by some other drugs is a tough thing to do, psychological addiction is not to be underestimated either, but your kitten is doing a good job staying clean alltogether, and not seeking an escape into other drugs. Good job SWIMiss!

[msmogadon]

SWIM is struggling with the depression this evening. Being in the house all week was ok but SWIM can only take so much of it. She's lost in herself real bad. Having those whats the point? feelings. What is the f*cking point? It just hard for her having no one to talk to, she looks outside and its a really nice evening but there's no place to go and no one to go with

[MiMoMo]

Originally Posted by msmogadon

SWIM is struggling with the depression this evening. Being in the house all week was ok but SWIM can only take so much of it. She's lost in herself real bad. Having those whats the point? feelings. What is the f*cking point? It just hard for her having no one to talk to, she looks outside and its a really nice evening but there's no place to go and no one to go with

What is the f*cking point, is exactly the point. SWImsmogadon's depression is the dreary door through which we exit the hell well. In other words, rejoice for knowing that it is the door to the right path. The beckoning of a nice evening is evidence proof positive of the light at the end of the tunnel. Soon enough, SWIY will be frolicking gleefully morning, noon and night. See if you can enjoy this sadness now, relish its weird deliciousness. It will all become a distant memory as you step out into the lighted clearing.

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true that

[msmogadon]

Hey all.
Its the 6th day of the detox and SWIMs down to 15mls. Its been a weird weekend for SWIM who has slipped up a couple of times. On Fri and Sat night she smoked a tenner bag. Oh Aye that was nice. But apart from that lots of vailium and a wee joint or two. What could SWIM say - she was bored in the house all day long sometimes it makes SWIM think the outside world does not exist lol. Its all fake.
But no more heroin. But aarrggghh. man its so boring for SWIM. Everywhere SWIM looks its boring, everything SWIM thinks about is boring. Everyday just the same even if SWIMs doing something different. Which is never cause its all the same boring fake sh*t.
SWIM apologies for her moaning ranting meercat. Its gone out earn the money so you'll get peace now
apologies.

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Nice chatting with you tonight, if you ever need to talk just call anytime:) Simon.

[Spare Chaynge]

Hey!
There is a point.. soon these feelings will go away and you will be surrounded by happy productive people on your way to success.
Swim knows how this feels.. It feels like whats the point...I have people to shot dope with.. Do not fall into that kind of thinking It will get you back in a hole where you use to be..

People in NA are always there for you. Go to a meeting. You can find one online easily they offer them all the time..

pm swim swims always up to talk.. swim went through this shit 7 months ago coming off 5 years of fentanyl and everything else abuse.

Spare Chaynge added 1 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

This feeling is very short lived it will only last as long as couple of weeks... the more you do to stop this feeling the shorter it will last..

go out and play on a swing. go for a bike ride. rent a movie. Go people watch at a restaurant of coffee shop.

[F.U.B.A.R]

For a rapid detox swim suggests subutex/suboxone as it does not stay in your system as long as they are not fat soluble.
in uk methadone is seen as a long term mainteneance intervention and wisely not many misuse clinics advise this course of action.
Subutex was designed to be a quick detox drug and has been adapted to cope with uk heroin harm reductuction initiatives.
i also recomend brittlofex short course at the end of the subutex.
Absolutley no valium as you can easily end up as dependent if not more than the gear.
But good luck and stick with it , it can be done im now in my 7 year clean almost as long i was on the drug.:thum bsup:

[msmogadon]

SWIM is on day 10 today which is 10mls. SWIM got away with her slip ups over the weekend. However on SWIMs first day of 10mls she slipped right up and had a hit, which turned into 2 hits and today is turning into a 3rd.
Tomorrow SWIM is down to 5mls and her doctor can't see her until next Thursday!!
SWIM was doing well even on 15mls but is psychologically not managing at any less. SWIM can't stop thinking about heroin and what it would feel like just to be having a gouch on the couch
Anyway she might try and buy somebodys weekend methadone and try weaning herself again. She needs to be clean by Wednesday of her bf is going to have her guts for garters when he gets home.
What a surprise another failed attempt of a junkie 'trying' to get clean

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by msmogadon

SWIM is on day 10 today which is 10mls. SWIM got away with her slip ups over the weekend. However on SWIMs first day of 10mls she slipped right up and had a hit, which turned into 2 hits and today is turning into a 3rd.
Tomorrow SWIM is down to 5mls and her doctor can't see her until next Thursday!!
SWIM was doing well even on 15mls but is psychologically not managing at any less. SWIM can't stop thinking about heroin and what it would feel like just to be having a gouch on the couch
Anyway she might try and buy somebodys weekend methadone and try weaning herself again. She needs to be clean by Wednesday of her bf is going to have her guts for garters when he gets home.
What a surprise another failed attempt of a junkie 'trying' to get clean

SWIY can do it....just keep yourself busy and try to avoid any triggers that might get SWIY into thinking about heroin....even if SWIY ends up using before next thursday, don't get down on yourself....overcoming heroin addiction is an extremely tough battle and very hard to do...SWIM's been exactly where SWIY is nad SWIM got through it by keeping himself as busy as possible, watching movies, talking to people about it, attending a couple of NA meetings(which ended up not being his thing) and basically eliminating all triggers that he could possibly eliminate....if SWIY needs someone to talk to about it, SWIM is here for ya

[Lisa J]

SWIM found getting below 15mls very hard even though she's also on a hefty dose of fentanyl, she managed it for a short while but soon crept up and now has to admit to her GP she's on 20mls. SWIM reduced at her own rate and told the GP several weeks later so she ended up with 3/4 of a litre spares but it's going down so she has to come clean when she visits him again in a couple of weeks. SWIY doesn't sound ready to come off opiates yet and maintenance may be the answer. As the waiting list is so long in SWIY'S area would it be possible to move to an area with better treatment such as Bristol (SWIM has heard good reports of Oxford or Swindon too, sorry can't remember which).
Be honest with SWIY'S GP and say rapid detox isn't working, if SWIY is very lucky they may agree to continue methadone at a level that will keep SWIY stable until ready to reduce more gradual, lay on the tears if neccesary and stress that SWIY just can't cope with the way things are any more. Also ask your shared care worker if they have GP's willing to take on patients on maintenance, this was offered to SWIM if her own GP had refused to prescribe methadone.
Buying street meth may buy a little time if SWIY thinks the rapid reducer still has a chance, SWIY may find it easier to stick to once the BF is back on the scene.
Good luck and remember many of us are in a similar situation, feel free to PM SWIM if SWIY needs any help or support

[msmogadon]

SWIM is on another short methadone detox. The doc would only start her on 20 this time.
Day 1,2 & 3 - 20mls
Day 3,4 & 5 - 15mls
Day 6,7 & 8 - 12mls
Day 9,10 & 11 - 9mls
Day 12,13 & 14 - 6mls
Day 15,16 & 17 - 3mls

This is hopeless. Shes at day 10 (she thinks, shes not been keeping track of the days lately) and using like fuck. Banging into hands they are all swollen and sore.
Have access to DF 120mgs and considering trying to stop using heroin this way. All SWIM wants is not to inject everyday. She has no veins.
All SWIM wants is something like 30mls everyday until she feels strong enough to leave opiates behind. Which feels for SWIM like a very long way in the distance

[michaelbeefree]

My friend is giong to use ibogaine powderd root. Has Anyone tried the powder and the 98% HCL to compare if the other alkaloids are a help or not?
We are able to do this all legally in Mexico it is not-illegal there, thank God.
So we will all take a trip to do this, but would like to know how much to do and what to expect during and a day or 2 after....??????

I know someone close that has kicked so many times 100+ and all the puking messed up his teeth, not speed use, the acid eating at the teeth.
He tried a lot of mixes in all those kicking moments. Rohipnol is of great use to sleep through the 4 worst days, but DO NOT MIX! In response to valium and that class - Benzodiazapams + alcohol, speed, and coke will all make you sicker quicker he says. We heard of a green liquid Cook County Jail offers upon intake called Routine A, given along with some anti-nausia/diaharrea drugs. The mix contains some extract of Bellodonna, Phenobarbitol and some other drugs he isn't sure of, but it helped a lot. When busted with a g of heroin, he had tracks a train could use, so they asked if he was an active user. Duh-Yeah!

After years of a raw dealer habit in Florida (China White from Puerto Rico) and then moving and kicking and then relapse again, kick and relapse, again and he had methadone detox from 80mg to 0 in less than 21 days- after a yer plus on it. That made it impossible for him to work or even get out of bed for a month and then except to relapse. NOTHING WORKED!

Hunter S Thompson mentions ibogaine in 1972 saying "Pres Nominee Muskee was hooked on it, with the help af a Brazillian Dr.- BS- Gonzo Journalism at best. A heroin user, Howard Lotsof discovered in 1962 that Ibogaine removed withdrawls and made him see Heroin in a different way - life changing his life for sure. He holds several US patents an it. You can hear his story on youtube - just search his name to hear the story. Also, a documentary on sacramental African use of the same is called "Rite of Passage" and it is all about the Iboga plant, the rebirth and ritual as well as modern western use. My friend has done lots of research, and has some root powder, 25 grams supposedly at 4-6% ibogaine and other iboga alkaloids. He was asking what to take for a dose.

We looked it up and he is unsure what will remove the pain of cold turkey, and what will cause lucid intense visions. I think he would like to tiptoe in but would like to take the Sacrament.
His friends went to Amsterdam and bought it in its non-prified form the powdered root- Not the 98% pure isolated ibogaine Hcl. This is due to the belief that this plant is here due to "God" and is for us to use and learn from.
The plant the powder came from is supposed to be 10 years old or so. Anyone know how the experience differs from taking the natural powdered bark vs. the extract?
No herbalist we know can answer as they don't know much about this.

We read that an average 160lb man should consume a small test dose first for allergic reaction check and then about 15 grams of root powder to have a life changing event, not just the removal of discomfort.

We saw that 13mg per Kg is what the clinics use for dosing with ibogaine hcl 98% pure in Amsterdam and some places in Mexico for thousands of dollars, but we read some people tripped for 2 or more days.

Anyone out there have any idea if a shaministic company in the Nederlands sells strong or weak powder? And what will 15 or so grams be expected to do to a 160 lb man?

We saw a video where a 120 lb man who has used it 6 times now, bur has pain issues and resumed opiate treatment days after the first dosing, now after "reminder" smaller doses they gave him about 1000mg and he had a life changing vision, but tripped way out for days. We need to do this over a holiday so he can maintain his work and not freak out family or friends. Someone will watch over him and we will record the experience, but we have 25g for 2 who need to kich after years of use. Help anyone?

Anyone tried the powder and the 98% HCL to compare if the other alkaloids are a help or not? We are able to do this all legally in Mexico it is not-illegal there, thank God. So we will all take a trip to do this, but would like to know how much to do and what to expect during and a day or 2 after....??????

As for everyone else thinking large amounts of valiun are a good tool to help he disagrees strongly, "If your not puking, after 30+mg of diazapam, you will be" actually alcohol and valium/ benzo withdrawls can KILL you depending on dose, length of time on 'em, and other factors.

[Spare Chaynge]

swims best option at this point might be maintenance. Swim is truly sorry to hear this. But this seems to be the case with most methadone detox.. It does not work the first time... Go for the maintence.

Please pm swim if swiy needs any help swim is in a very dangerous place.. Shooting on top of methadone is dangerous because of methadone long half life..