Opinions - GBL-Worth the hassle?

[baron samedi]

SWIM is quite interested in trying GBL, as it's so easy to come by where SWIM lives.
However, SWIM also has doubts about whether he should bother. Firstly he doesn't like alcohol which appears to be the drug which most people compare its effects to. Secondly, GBL sounds a lot more physically harmful than GHB, making SWIM wonder if he really wants to neck such a dodgy sounding chemical.
Is GBL really that good to make SWIM cause serious damage to his body?

[westmeetseast]

Well. Here's some thoughts to consider

Mr. Not-me loves GHB but dislikes alcohol. He's simply allergic to that stuff because of a genetic thang (wiki "Asian Glow"). Also, he would do some mentally disabled shit when he got drunk that embarrassed the hell out of him the next day!

So. when he found out about the effects GHB/GBL (drunk without the toxic effects and embarrassing moments, if used properly) he was happy as a kid getting a new bike. Here was a chance to go out with drunken friends, not drink alcohol, AND not be the party pooper.

For the first month or so after he obtained GBL, he experimented twice a week with various dosages. He had a few good times, many many more mediocre times, but no really bad times. He found that it was extremely hard to maintain a good buzz for longer than a half-hour. GBL hits hard and fast and seems to subside quickly afterwards. This was still better than drinking alcohol, however.

Then, he finally decided to start converting the GBL to GHB.
Wow! The difference. GBL vs. GHB is like vodka vs. beer.

Mr. Not-me found that all of a sudden he could get high/drunk/euphoric and stay that way for several hours, with no negative effects the next day. Now 8 out of 10 nights out were hilarious fun fests that he actually enjoyed remembering. He only takes GHB when he goes out, in situations where he would be otherwise drinking alcohol.

To summarize what I've heard through the grapevine:
1. It's probably better to try GHB before GBL, since it has a slower, less peak-ey high
2. No, GHB does not quite feel like alcohol. Alcohol feels like being retarded happy, while GHB feels *maybe* like you are having an amazing time without drugs. Of course, this is an approximation.
3. GHB requires alot of patience in order to find a personal dosage that is neither too high (you will feel sluggish, nauseous, and pass out) or too low. Once you figure it out though, it's an excellent drug.

westmeetseast added 4 Minutes and 46 Seconds later...

4. Just because GBL is used for paint stripping doesn't mean it is harmful to your body.

For example,
Nuclear reactors are cooled with H20, cars are fueled with ethanol (y'know, drinking alcohol), and crack is made with baking soda. There are some pretty extreme uses for some very safe substances. GBL is quite safe when it is properly diluted with water (50-to-1). That said, it would make Mr. Not-me a little more hazy the next day than GHB did.

[EarlGrayUK]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

SWIM is quite interested in trying GBL, as it's so easy to come by where SWIM lives.
However, SWIM also has doubts about whether he should bother. Firstly he doesn't like alcohol which appears to be the drug which most people compare its effects to. Secondly, GBL sounds a lot more physically harmful than GHB, making SWIM wonder if he really wants to neck such a dodgy sounding chemical.
Is GBL really that good to make SWIM cause serious damage to his body?

SWIM doesn't like alcohol either, he drinks like 4 beers a year and not much more with alcohol in it. But SWIM loves GBL. In normal doses, it doesn't make the brain go dumb, even though one feels intoxicated. SWIY will feel at ease with everybody else and just happy. Alcohol is strictly forbidden when taking GBL, because it multiplies the effect and can make you unconcious, vomit, choke....

The best thing about GBL is, that there is no hangover at all. And if SWIY goes a bit over the maximum dose (with no alcohol), all that will happen is some healthy sleep - REM sleep even. That's why some people get GHB as sleeping aid and take it twice a night.

GBL is a base and as such bad if it comes in contact with the body (esp. teeth etc.). But 1-2ml GBL (which is a normal dose, SWIY should start low with 1 or 1,5ml, some people need 2,5ml depening on weight), diluted in 200ml of Orange Juice are basically neutral. After digesting it will be converted to GHB in the bloodstream and the liver. Only if SWIY takes too much GBL again and again, there may be a problem with the pH of SWIYs blood. But that's the same with alcohol. Once you are using it daily, a lot of stuff is dangerous.

[baron samedi]

So if it's better for SWIM to start with GHB (much more difficult to obtain than GBL where SWIM lives) just how easy is it to convert GBL? Will SWIM have to invest in a lot of equipment? If so he feels more inclined just to try GBL first to know if he actually enjoys the kind of buzz.

[Milk man]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

So if it's better for SWIM to start with GHB (much more difficult to obtain than GBL where SWIM lives) just how easy is it to convert GBL? Will SWIM have to invest in a lot of equipment? If so he feels more inclined just to try GBL first to know if he actually enjoys the kind of buzz.

A monkey could do it.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63195 Use NaOH

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...57&postcount=3 Using Sodium Bicarbonate( baking soda).

[westmeetseast]

The bicarbonate method works quite well, Mr. Not-me thinks.

[Richard_smoker]

SWIY could always get some emtpy 000-gelcaps...the HUGE ones from online. Very easy to find, use google or similar.

Then just take a dropper & fill up a gelcap or 2. Quickly replace the cap then SWALLOW! I don't know how long you can wait before 'popping' this quickie pill, but i doubt it's gonna last more than a couple seconds before the GBL eats thru the capsule...so, SWIM would advise fill 'em up, replace top cap quickly, and then gulp it down with some refreshing beverage!

If I remember correctly, each 000 size cap holds a full gram of H2O which is equal to 1cc or 1 mL...it doesn't take but a 1 or 2 of those to equal a dose. I'd recommend measuring out your liquid via dropper or syringe first...as just blindly filling up an empty capsule can yeild some VERY surprisingly different results!

-DICK

[MrG]

Actually there was a thread recently where it was proved that Gelcaps are well able to hold GBL without dissolving. Surprised me too.

Reputation Comments on this post:

WOAH! Thanks for the ass-kickin Rebuttal!! SWIM must have NO PATIENCE! Thanks. RS

[alpine]

A robot in a dream said that he liked GHB and didn't really like alcohol. GHB gave him more of a high than alcohol... The same robot climbed a tree with a sword in his hand while "twirling" and almost passed out. The robot recommends staying out of trees on G.

[kimotag]

Swim prefers the effects of Gbl to those of GHb. Gbl is more 'buzzy' and in swims experience a bit like 'E'. GHb gives him a nice, mildly drunk feeling, with less euphoria but he can do this more often than Gbl without ill effect. Many people find that an anti acid, sodium bicarb drink (available in supermarkets) helps offset some of gbls negative effects.

[Milk man]

Originally Posted by kimotag

Swim prefers the effects of Gbl to those of GHb. Gbl is more 'buzzy' and in swims experience a bit like 'E'. GHb gives him a nice, mildly drunk feeling, with less euphoria but he can do this more often than Gbl without ill effect. Many people find that an anti acid, sodium bicarb drink (available in supermarkets) helps offset some of gbls negative effects.

But wouldn't swiy basically then making GHB then?

[Richard_smoker]

Thanks MrG!

you know...this is suprising to me.

Gelatin capsules are made of dehydrated gelatin (dry jello--basically) and thus, disintegrate completely when placed in water or into one's stomach environment...(rehydrates the jello)..

So, if GBL doesn't dissolve the capsules, then I guess GBL is not suspended in water--

--GBL must be a pure acetone in liquid forum, right?

hmmm... (still thinking)...

OK, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if swiy were to try and and use gelatin capsules to hold GHB, then the capsules would surely dissolve in your pocket, right?

obviously the capsule would stay intact if the GHB were crystals or possibly even if swiy used strong GHB--you know, the stuff just prior to dilution...

-DICK

[Panthers007]

Don't know. Apparently as a ketone it does not. One needs to find out what gelatin is soluble in. Go from there.

[alpine]

If you vap the G could you put it in capsules? Someone has told me about using the stove to vap G, basically evaporate the water, to make it more concentrated. I have also heard of using the microwave to vap G.

[baron samedi]

Hehe, would'nt SWIM know it. Just as SWIM thinks he may have found a useful substance capable of making his life more tolerable, the UK decides, in all its wisdom, that said substance should be banned, just in case SWIM decides to use it on a date-rape!
C'est la vie!
Guess its now or never for SWIM to try it.

[MrG]

Originally Posted by alpine

If you vap the G could you put it in capsules? Someone has told me about using the stove to vap G, basically evaporate the water, to make it more concentrated. I have also heard of using the microwave to vap G.

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

if swiy used strong GHB--you know, the stuff just prior to dilution...

NaGHB at room temperature is a solid. For it to be a liquid at room temp means that it is diluted. It would still contain water which would dissolve the gelcaps.

GBL is a lactone and, afaik, lactones don't contain H2O.

[EarlGrayUK]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

Hehe, would'nt SWIM know it. Just as SWIM thinks he may have found a useful substance capable of making his life more tolerable, the UK decides, in all its wisdom, that said substance should be banned, just in case SWIM decides to use it on a date-rape!
C'est la vie!
Guess its now or never for SWIM to try it.

It's hard to ban GBL because it is needed for a lot of legit purposes without any available replacement. They tried it in Germany, even put it into a law and just a few weeks before the law came into effect, they realised they had outlawed the whole chemical industry Now GBL is voluntarily monitored by vendors in Germany.

[Tony Williams]

For ingesting, how about drawing your correct dose up in a syringe and pouring it into a soda bottle of orange or water ... make a few and drink slowly over the night?

SWIM needs to buy some GBL and start having good, safe fun.

Off topic - how dangerious are 'overdoses' on GHB? This is a very mixed area my frozen fish hear people saying ALONE it's really safe and no big deal, however alot of other people saying 'use another drug'. I am talking about NO ALCOHOL or anything else ... let's say someone (a really stupid someone) was to drink about 10x doses of the stuff, would they be really ****ed up and goto sleep and wake back up or be at huge risk? I heard on a site someone took 15 tea(or table?)spoons of GHB and went into a 30 (IIRC) hour coma to after waking they suffered a minor headache.

So how far could can GHB be pushed before an coma-dose ends up being 6 feet under?