Legal Highs - Pathetic, or a real alternative?

[thelonleyaddict]

Hi guys.

Recently I have been looking into buying drugs etc online. As Im sure you will know there are loads of places advertising Valium, Codeine and many other pleasant mind altering chemicals on the internet, out there.

However perhaps I'm overly cautious, but I always worry Ill be ripped off and it will be put down to being intersected at customs - a wasted £xx.xx

So legal highs from online head shops seemed a good alternative especially since they are legal and non physically addicting (as far as I know) and seem reasonably safe to me.

I started buying various Cannabis alternatives. At first I was wary. What is this sh*t and will it work was on my mind. I was skeptical at first and doubted these legal highs could get me high.


One thing I liked about these online head shops is the fact that they have forums and you can read what other people say about their products. A few names kept popping up (in the forums) as a good Cannabis alternative and eventually I decided to split with £xx of my cash to try it.

The first time I tried this particular brand on Cannabis alternative I couldn't believe how good it was. Physically it felt almost identical to cannabis although there wasn't really the same creative thing going on, or closed eyed visuals and weird thoughts, I get with Cannabis, but there was the euphoria and a nice stonded feeling.


Im not going to mention websites or brand names of cannabis alternatives out there until I make sure it doesnt break any forum rules, but sufice to say I was impressed. There were 2 Cannabis alternatives out there that I would rate highly. They are NOT as good as Cannabis but they are in my opinion a very good backup for when your dry.

Anyone tried these legal Cannabis highs??

What do you think to them??

Do you rate them???


Happy stoning guys.


Cheers

T.L.A

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[Junket]

Ya, SWIM has never tried them, but he would rather just get some weed, you can't replace the great smell and taste of bud.

stay high

[kaczynski]

legal Cannabis alternatives? SWIM has never heard of these...are they illegal in the U.S...

[meatbag]

Originally Posted by kaczynski

legal Cannabis alternatives? SWIM has never heard of these...are they illegal in the U.S...

No, they are completely legal in most (if not all) countries. They do not contain THC, however they do contain other ingredients which are said to mimic the effects of cannabis. My garden gnome tried one once which didn't work for him (he later found out from his little gnome friends that it doesn't work the first time) however, some of his friends smoke it regularly when they run dry. Apparently it is quite enjoyable.

[mrtowelie]

SWIM is pretty sure that they are just salvia divornum in nug form?

[h3artshapedb0x]

Originally Posted by mrtowelie

SWIM is pretty sure that they are just salvia divornum in nug form?

Actually Legal Cannibis alternatives are nothing like salvia at all they contain legal herbs like Wild Dagga, Wild Hops, Leonurus Sibiricus herb, Avena Sativa, Wild Lettuce, Poppy flowers, Chesteya bud, and others like them put into a bud press or something like that
SWIM ordered a half ounce of some legal cannibis alternative very bad taste (like blueberries and woodchips) didnt actually look like bud more like just a big sticky brick or what looked like resin rolled in shake effects were slight sedation very mild euphoria with short effects SWIM would recommend to people on probation or people who have to take regular drug tests or people who dont normally smoke marijuana (SWIM consumes around 1/8th to 1/4 ounce of marijuana every one to 2 days) really hard on the throught and lungs too, unpleasant to smoke but bearable and prices look cheaper because if your like SWIM you compared them to normal marijuana prices but much more material is needed to reach desired effects so it comes out about the same you get what you pay for i guess on a scale of 1-10 SWIM gives it a 3.5 not completely terrible but still pretty bad but thats just 1 mans opinion SWIM believes everyone should try everything for themselves and dont let other peoples opionions steer you away from something you really want to experience because you might just kick yourself for it later well SWIM hopes you enjoyed the 1st post hope it helped!
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Originally Posted by h3artshapedb0x

but thats just 1 mans opinion SWIM believes everyone should try everything for themselves and dont let other peoples opionions steer you away from something you really want to experience because you might just kick yourself for it later

SWIM says of course dont go doing anything too crazy always be careful always in moderation and remember knowlage is the key always arm yourself with as much of it as you can before doing anything

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[Richi]

Heartshapedbox is correct, I believe they are blends of various herbs with a mild psychoactive potential. L. sibiricus, or honeyweed, has been specifically noted to producing a cannabis like high.

Salvia divinorum is not commonly available in bud form, because it is the crushed leaves of the plant itself.

[humdroid]

SWIM values the alternative smoke blends, like spice, and ex-ces, and the XXX blends.
SWIM loves weed, but these give SWIM the gift of not feeling beholden to one herb, and loves the fact there are alternatives, which while not weed, give a good buzz, and prevent tolerance to weed.
There are also different blends, so tolerance to one particular blend can be prevented.
A search on here for "spice" or "smoke blends" will yield results and opinions.

As far as halloocyness goes, SWIM values the natural hallucinogens in capsules (with ginger to prevent nausea)

Kanna is a great straightener with reverse tolerance (it has SSRI properties so the usual safety precautions apply)

[Joe_Pinko]

For a long time, the so-called "legal highs" have deservedly been given a bad rap. Most of them gave the user very little in the way of effects.

Now, however, with the advent of the internet, users can (on this and similar forums) announce "this worked for SWIM" or "this didn't do shit".

SWIM has a box at home, with perfectly legal substitutes for marijuana, opium, and ecstasy. SWIM can assure SWIY, these products work and do their job very well. SWIM hasn't bought illegal drugs in YEARS. If SWIM was piss-tested now, he'd be clean - none of these things are tested for. SWIM doesn't have to worry about dealing with shady people, when these products arrive on SWIM's doorstep through the mail.

If SWIY is looking for mj effects, SWIM would encourage SWIY to research smoking blends like Spice, Neder Gold, Ex-ses, Spike 99, and the range of Galaxy Blends.

[Rhin]

When SWIM looks for legal highs online he doesn't look for weed alternatives because he would rather smoke weed. But he buys from that huge auction site that sells everything (you know what it is The one with all the colors) and he seems to never get ripped of when buying Cactus or Salvia.

PS: Cactus is the best high SWIM has had it knocked mushrooms out of there.

[Junket]

What kind of cactus is SWIRhin talking about? San Pedro? whats a legal cacti

[Mona Lisa]

San Pedro or Peruvian Torch. It's a swine to prepare and even more of a bitch to eat/drink so SWIM hasn't (yet) bothered

[Junket]

Ah I see..

Ya, swim would rather just call a dealer, get some shrooms, eat and enjoy..

If it saves you money in the long run, and is truly a better high than who knows

[FuBai]

Some legal highs are surprisingly effective, especially some of the ecstacy replacments, such as "Trip E" and "Chemistry", both of which are BZP free. Spice is often thought of as a cannabis replacement, although I have not heard anything about it directly from friends so I cannot say whether it is really effective or not, only that it seems to have quite high sales figures. San Pedro and Peruvian Torch chips can be bought in the UK, although I am under the impression that it is illegal for anyone outside of the American Peyote Church (or some similar body) in the US. These contain mescaline, a substance similar in effects (but not in dose) to LSD, although an extraction process to make it into a foul tasting juice usually has to be performed, which is illegal in the UK. Kratom is another plant which is legal in the UK and can be used in a tea preparation or chewed directly, which many people claim simulates an opiate like high at higher doses.

There are several ineffective legal highs, including lettuice opium, shamantrance and others.

[Humanity]

Be sure to check out the Herbal Ecstasy subforum, many posts of the subject there. I'm not sure whether you mean a different "legal" form of cannabis, but I think you aren't. Kratom as mentioned by swiFubai, is one of the most popular legal highs, which is worth looking into.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM's hometown has three headshops (well, only one of them is really a headshop) and I worry about the fact that they only stock synthetic legal highs, besides salvia extracts, which are synthesized to a degree. These places first opened up during the glorious magic mushroom days and even continued to stock useful natural psychoactives like mescaline cactus for a while afterwards. I guess they didn't have the customer base which is a huge shame. Perhaps they still stock dry Peruvian Torch cuttings but the pricing is ridiculous. It's hardly surprising that people resort to unpredictable but cheaper substances like BZP and pep pills. SWIM doesn't bother with them. There are far better illegal alternatives.

[humdroid]

SWIM uses the "spice" range, purely not to become beholden to one herb - weed.

SWIM never used to be able to put down weed, and these things enable SWIM to be OK while there is no weed about. SWIM used to cope badly in dry spells.

SWIM wasn't looking for a weed-a-like, just a smoke which provided mind opening solutions to niggles, and relaxation, plus mood lift. SWIM wasnt looking for a weed taste-a-like either. SWIM wanted a smoke which was as good, if not, better, value than weed, for money.
SPICE range does this, as does the XXX range. Rotated to prevent tolerance.

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p.s. The natural hallucinogenic capsules DO work.
Talking any legal herbal with LSA in them.
The legal smokes go beautifully with these herbal pills.

[Joe_Pinko]

SWIM just read a story, elsewhere on this very forum, that Spice Gold was attracting the attention of the German press.

SWIM thinks this is the beginning of the end.

SWIMmers interested in this smoking blend would be well-advised to get it while they still can.

[drug-bot]

legal cannabis alternatives suck.

here are swims favorite legal highs-

salvia works and is super intense (you need a strong extract, plain leaf sucks).

dxm (dextromethorphan hbr), found in many otc cough meds (make sure dxm is the only active ingredient). it produce an intense dissacociative high comparible to ketamine and pcp in high doses.

san pedro works, its a natual and legal cactus that contains mescaline (the cacti is legal, but becomes illegal when consumed or prepared for consumption, a 1 foot to 1 and a 1/2 foot cutting works the best heres a prep method for it that works great- http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/c...aration5.shtml , its time consuming prep (3-4 hours) and it tastes nasty but is amazing, imagine a cross between ecstacy and mushrooms, very mind expanding and visual but with a intense empaty and euphoria.

hawian baby wood rose seeds (hbwr seeds) are a natural sourse of lsa a cousin of lsd, you trip out, hard. make sure to get seeds not treated with chemicals, swim also suggests taking 1 dramamine or other anti-nausea med when eating the seeds as they tend to cause a mild to moderate nausea. certain types of morning glory seeds also contain lsa, same tips given to hbrw seeds apply to morning glory seeds

do more researh (about dosage and precautions) before trying any of these either on this forum or at-http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/

hope swim helped, dont be afraid to throw some rep points this way.

[sunyata]

Swim is very sceptical about legal cannabis alternatives, especially the ones that work.
Cannabis has been used daily by a great number of people for god knows how long without causing any extreme harm to the users, spice and the likes have not been used until recently.

I know that many(or all) of the herbs in spice have been used by various cultures, but at what dosages and how often?
And what is the effect when mixing together these plants to form a combination that probably hasn't been used before simply because the plants grow in different countries.
What happens when you increase the potency further by using extracts instead of pure herb?

These things are "not for human consumption" which means they have not gone through the same tests and trials that other medicines must before being released to the general public. We will know nothing of side-effects until we start getting them and reporting them on the net.

As for the effects Swim can only comment on spice gold, but he thinks it comes nowhere near of producing the effects he likes from cannabis, allthough it can be similar in strength. He also feels there are too many unwanted side-effects like blurred vision, tightness of the chest, fatigue and bad muscle coordination. These side effects can also present themselves from cannabis, but swim feels they are more pronounced with spice.

This post is not intended to scare anyone unnecessarily, but to advise caution and a careful monitoring of your body when you're experimenting with these things.

[Joe_Pinko]

SWIM believes all of these points are valid, but he knows there are risks of virtually ALL recreational drug use (recent reports of cannabis adulterated with glass comes to mind), and makes a cognizant decision to (ab)use based upon research.

The legals vs. illegals debate will never be won. It seems to SWIM like personal preference - SWIM feels that the slight health risk of many legal drugs pales in comparison to risking SWIM's freedom by being involved in the illegal drug scene. SWIM would rather be dead than ass-raped, but to each his own.

As specifically related to Spice, SWIM has read reports of tolerance and mild withdrawal effects, by some regular users. So far, no other bad reactions. Will Spice users be giving birth to flipper babies 10 years from now? Who knows?

[Junket]

Originally Posted by Joe_Pinko

SWIM believes all of these points are valid, but he knows there are risks of virtually ALL recreational drug use (recent reports of cannabis adulterated with glass comes to mind), and makes a cognizant decision to (ab)use based upon research.

The legals vs. illegals debate will never be won. It seems to SWIM like personal preference - SWIM feels that the slight health risk of many legal drugs pales in comparison to risking SWIM's freedom by being involved in the illegal drug scene. SWIM would rather be dead than ass-raped, but to each his own.

As specifically related to Spice, SWIM has read reports of tolerance and mild withdrawal effects, by some regular users. So far, no other bad reactions. Will Spice users be giving birth to flipper babies 10 years from now? Who knows?

You kind of picked hardcore extremes.. haha..

I don't know though, I'm pretty optimistic about the herbal smoke blend I'm going to be trying, spice just seems like a marketing scheme or something

I don't really know..

[Joe_Pinko]

LOL - I'm all about hardcore extremes!

Anyway, good luck with SWIY's home-made blend. Spice, Neder, Spike 99 et al. work for SWIM and many others, and are nothing like the "legal bud" shit marketed on the web and in cannabis mags. SWIM doesn't use these products very often, but he's very happy it's in his little box when he wants it.

SWIM is VERY SORRY if he sounds like a commercial. SWIM has no connection to the companies producing these things, other than being a customer.

[Mona Lisa]

They actually work!

[ElectroStep]

SWIM likes them. They're good to add a little variety. He adds:

And things like Salvia and LSA containnig seeds can be alot of fun and pretty different to anything illegal.

Spice, Smoke and Neder Gold are decent smokes. They're are also some VERY good legal pills out there.