Combinations - Smurfs spiritual experience on lsd & alcohol.

[sylenth]

smurf has'nt gone to the actual Takiwasi ayahuasca treatment experience location or had the plant ayahuasca containing anything. just sharing my view based on the research i've done on the Takiwasi ayahuasca experience & the similarities experienced...

smurf believes he had his own ayahuasca 'like' experience over the weekend. smurf is'nt saying the ayahuasca experience with the shamans & spirit guides is not real etc. the idea behind the way the whole ritual programme along with ayahuasca plant consumed to help others through the ayahuasca experience is good & well thought of with alot of good intentions.

but smurf believes if one goes through enough of a psychedelic experience in the right location away from home to understand where your problems 'inner demons' & other problems come from by taking a psychedelic etc it can be quite over whelming & mystical to an extent that you deal with, what the shamans believe as your inner demons, & meet your spirit guides & throw up if the experience is overwhelming enough etc...

smurf had alot of lsd & figured alot of things out & then alot of alcohol 'jagermeister' which was used as a medicine many years ago & then threw up a few times what the shamans would describe as 'the demons' & smurf also met a lady that was very friendly towards the smurfs & claimed to be psychic. smurf had a dream later in her apartment that she was sitting on the end of the bed, perhaps she was astral travelling & was some kind of spirit guide? smurf enjoyed the experience even with a terrible head ache... this has happened before without alcohol when overwhelming thoughts have conjured in smurfs mind & smurf believes he communicated with past relatives whilst nearly dying on a heavy dose of lsd.

so in my opinion people who are a little weak & can't figure out & deal with things them selves need guidance to confront their inner demons. but everyone is capable of a experience like the Takiwasi ayahuasca experience that the shamans do, without having to travel to a foreign country & spend money & drink a certain herbal plant only.

[oggy]

Sorry but are you saying your Ayahuasca experience was with LSD and alcohol? If so then this isn't an Ayahuasca experience.

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by oggy

Sorry but are you saying your Ayahuasca experience was with LSD and alcohol? If so then this isn't an Ayahuasca experience.

yeah smurf is saying that. that is why smurf put 'ayahuasca' in inverted commas. thanx 4 pointing this out as it is what smurf believes the ayahuasca experience actually is at the takiwasi centre or others like it. but it already has a name. so smurf is gonna edit the name of the thread after some thought.

[lostmente]

you had a spiritual break through?

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by lostmente

you had a spiritual break through?

yeah it would seem so. smurf believed he figured out what/who god really is along with other important insights. so this conjured alot of thought & obviously was overwhelming.

[Lethargy]

We in no way recommend this but our PEF says that an actual ayahuasca experience might help the smurf. Easily made, just read up on it first. Much more healing than lsd and much much more healing than alcohol. Sounds like the smurf detected a problem but no doubt it could use further healing.

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by Lethargy

We in no way recommend this but our PEF says that an actual ayahuasca experience might help the smurf. Easily made, just read up on it first. Much more healing than lsd and much much more healing than alcohol. Sounds like the smurf detected a problem but no doubt it could use further healing.

each to their own. not disagreeing to the natural methods & the experience will help a smurf from the ayahusca exprience. smurf has researched & read up on the ayahuasca experience based on actual reports from the forum & elsewhere & knows a swimmer that done the treatment/experience. thanx i know it has many benefits if the person is wishing to make a huge 'permanent' change. they use very different techniques. peace.

[Frond]

If SWIY has never done ayahuasca, then how can SWIY relate his experience to ayahuasca?

However, SWIM has had similar experiences with LSD to what's described here, and one fairly recent experience that also, strangely enough, involved LSD and alcohol. SWIM was having a lousy day at work, so he bought a six-pack and a sandwich from Wawa. Down went the first bottle, and swim was pretty relaxed, so the rest of the six-pack soon followed, as well as the sandwich. Then SWIM thought, "hey, this wouldn't be a bad time to drop a tab," conveniently forgetting that his tabs had ONE GIGANTIC ****LOAD OF LSD PER HIT and that 2 hits of the same stuff had sent him into territory previously reached only on intentional 1000+ mic benders - well past the moons of Jupiter, and quite close to an elliptical orbit around Neptune, though with some variances in trajectory (SWIM doesn't know the exact dosage in these tabs, but whose information on tab dosage is actually reliable?).

So, down the hatch it went, and SWIM spent the next 3 hours with his body in bed, while his mind wandered through caverns filled with shimmering, morphing, scintillating jewels, laid out in superimposed layers, with distant starts shining behind them, and strange, alien music flitting in wisps through the ambient air. In that space, he did some critical thinking, exploration of his psyche, and battling with inner demons, but in a very positive, constructive way. It was one of the most enjoyable peak experiences with acid that he's had, and he only wishes that it was longer.

Then, of course, all hell broke loose.

SWIM doesn't throw up from a six-pack; SWIM needs at least a dozen beers under his belt before things start going in that direction. But, SWIM figures that the sandwich gave him food poisoning - a possibility that is given higher validity by the fact that SWIM's friend also got food poisoning from a sandwich at that particular Wawa, also around this time (there was a wide-spread Salmonella outbreak in SWIM's area).

The next 14 hours were filled with being sick, puking, tripping, puking, tripping, and all the while wishing it was over already. SWIM's mental state is very closely tied to his physical state on LSD, so his mental trip very quickly went sour as well, and he became paranoid and depressed.

The whole comedown was an experience that he wouldn't wish on his worst enemy, but the peak really was great, and SWIM doesn't blame the acid for the subsequent events. He just wishes that he had some benzos or opiates or good bud to help him calm down and reduce the nausea, but as it stood, he had to ride it out unaided. Oh well, he's been through worse things before, and this dosage wasn't enough to knock him sideways. SWIM is one tough cookie, psychedelically speaking.

However, there is a very fundamental difference for SWIM between LSD and similar synthetics, and what SWIM would call entheogens, the primary one for SWIM being the Sacred Mushroom.

LSD doesn't give SWIM a spiritually cleansed, revitalized feeling. Rather, it leaves SWIM feeling like a burnt-out wreck more often than not. He feels that his synapses are fried and that his melon refuses to work properly until he has had a good long sleep and a chance to integrate his experiences. The term "acid casualty" might as well have been invented precisely to describe him after a typical experience. He does his thinking during the experience, and he very often finds himself in a tranquil, spiritual state during the experience, but there was never any kind of positive afterglow for SWIM after the experience. It is all analytically great, and great while it's happening, but it's never spiritually great in the long term, if that word can be used in this context. It's a great main course, but there's no dessert, no cherry in the topping.

The Mushroom, on the other hand, leaves SWIM feeling like all the gunk that's in his brain is completely cleaned out and removed, and for several days after the experience he has a fresh, new, vibrant perspective on life. He usually doesn't think much during the experience, or rather during the peak of the experience, but very often is highly introspective after the experience. In a sense, the Mushroom seems to disrupt SWIM's usual internal monologue, and shut down the same-old tired mental routines that SWIM happily gets himself into on a daily basis. It removes some day-to-day imprinting, if you will.

So, in comparison to the Mushroom, SWIM wouldn't call LSD an entheogen.

But, of course, neurochemistry will vary from person to person, and there are days when I seriously doubt that SWIM is human in the first place - so who knows how it will go for SWIY.

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thanx 4 the input. sy

[sylenth]

[quote=Frond;455513]

If SWIY has never done ayahuasca, then how can SWIY relate his experience to ayahuasca?

this thread was in the insights & mystical experiences forum initially then moved here. so this was initially seen as a insight & opinion of my views related to the events described by many through the ayahuasca experience documented.

sorry if there has been any confusion trying to get my views & point across for people to understand i have edited to try. i clearly have not done a good job of making my point. thanx 4 the replies. this thread may as well be deleted then.

[Frond]

Originally Posted by sylenth

this thread may as well be deleted then.

Not at all, I think that your account of SWIY's experiences should definitely be shared. I was just offering SWIM's experiences as a different take on it, as well as taking potshots at a too easily presented target

[Jatelka]

Just a thought on the thread moving (and back again!): If Insights are gained through specific drugs/combinations, then I always feel the most appropriate place for that experience is in the specific drug forum (for combinations, in the forum for the drug that plays the major role).

My impression was always that "Insights and Mystical Experiences" should be non drug-specific

[Songcycle67]

Sylenth, it would appear that SWIY is implying that LSD can't illicit a spiritual experience akin to that of Ayahuasca. Whilest the cleansing aspect of vomiting and a completely different experience altogether, throwing alcohol into any psychedelic ceremony would probably result in purging if enough was ingested.

But I don't quite follow--why does SWIY think this was more like Ayahuasca than any other LSD trip he's taken? LSD can be plenty spiritual without the vomit and booze. I'm just not sure I follow the logic of calling an LSD trip "Ayahuasca-like" just because you purged due to being drunk. Plenty of people puke on magic mushrooms and mescaline, but they're no more like ayahuasca than tylenol.

Is he just relating it to Ayahuasca because the purge is so important in huasca ceremonies? Why not relate it to peyote--purging is seen as the most important part of that experience for most who use it for spiritual reasons as well.

[sylenth]

the reason the smurf purged was not entirely because of the alcohol. smurf has purged before on another ocassion on only lsd whilst in deep thought on some things that it became overwhelming. so the only reason smurf could relate the experience to the actual ayahusca experience was the location smurf was in which has always felt sacred to the smurfs as they have had mystical experiences there of contact with past relatives. smurf has heard from the reports of people purging on the experience whilst on the ayahusca ritual/ceremony due to the effects from the plant & the mystical experience.

smurf understands both drugs as a psychedelic & was relating to the actual ayahusca experience with being in the amazon on the program available from the doctors & shamans. the smurf was at the time in a jungle environment so 'smurf was understanding what the whole experience probably is like' as best of his knowledge from friends that went. smurf has never had peyote & ayahusca so smurf was giving his opinion based on what smurf believes.

posted by JATELKA:Just a thought on the thread moving (and back again!): If Insights are gained through specific drugs/combinations, then I always feel the most appropriate place for that experience is in the specific drug forum (for combinations, in the forum for the drug that plays the major role).

My impression was always that "Insights and Mystical Experiences" should be non drug-specific

i'll remember this for next time, sorry for the inconvenience. my a-d-d seems to let me not focus clearly at times..