Side effects - to smoking propylhexedrine?

[plur]

swim has had vistion of use it this method it involse "chaseing the dragon'
it involes a metal spoon propylhexedrine disoved in water a candle a straw and a eye droper and what he want to know is there any possable less the apreanent risks involded in this method other the the fact inhaling anything other then air is bad for your

[Stephenwolf]

i swear someone who isn't me is pretty sure that Propyl burns as a toxin... but can't recall where...

[plur]

Originally Posted by Stephenwolf

i swear someone who isn't me is pretty sure that Propyl burns as a toxin... but can't recall where...

swim says there diffatly propyl effects persent and hes sure about 99% of it is vaporized not burnt

[fiveleggedrat]

Does anyone have any knowledge of smoking or vaporsing propylhexedrine as being dangerous?

Swim has extract and would like to do this. Swim would experiment but does not want to kill himself.

fiveleggedrat added 4 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

Nevermind smoking it. Swim just found this elsewhere on the internet:

bad idea to smoke it....your gonna end up with lockjaw if you keep it up. it really sucks when you go into a paralysis too from smoking it. in order to cure the paralysis you have to be administered "cogentin" or "benztropine" within an hour otherwise you can permately end up with tardive dyskinea....personal experience here

Anyone with verify/deny anything he mentioned? Swim is too burned out to research those claims Swimself at the moment.

[Inudiablo]

Well swim believes that makes since as wolfs friend said it might burn as a toxin. And do not inject. Wikipedia says highest death rate on this drug is injection.

Abuse by injection is dangerous and could result in death, which has been recorded.

[Jatelka]

And rather than just relying on Wikipedia, here's an abstract for perusal:

"Intravenous prophylhexedrine (Benzedrex) abuse and sudden death"
American Journal of Medicine 1979 Jul;67(1):15-20
Anderson RJ, Garza HR, Garriott JC, Dimaio V

Propylhexedrine was implicated in 15 deaths investigated by the Dallas County Medical Examiner since 1973. Twelve of the deaths were attributable to intravenous abuse of the contents of the Benzedrex inhaler. Each death could be defined as sudden. Pulmonary edema, foreign body granulomas, fibrosis and evidence of pulmonary hypertension were frequent postmortem findings. Right ventricular hypertrophy was present in nine of the 12 subjects who died of intravenous propylhexedrine abuse. Two homicides and one suicide were propylhexedrine-related. Intravenous propylhexedrine abuse should be considered in the differential diagnosis of right ventricular hypertrophy and/or pulmonary hypertension, and it should be suspected in cases of sudden death involving young adults displaying evidence of intravenous drug abuse.

Lot's of brownie points to anyone who uploads the full paper to the file archive

[gmeziscool2354]

you tube propylhexadrine if you want a method to produce p-acetate, a more or less bioavailble form of Prop that the guy on the video vapes out of a lightbulb

gmeziscool2354 added 2 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

oh, and ps, i can't edit yet, but ALL organic molecules give off some toxins when combusted, including delta-9-tetro-hydro-canabinol and any inert plant material that people who aren't us put in their pipes. i wouldn't be too worried about it inherently.

[fiveleggedrat]

How is propyl organic?

And that guy shows no proof of anything. Most videos on youtube are bullshit as well.

Swim has done a lot of work with propyl, and Swim regards it as dangerous from the multitude of side effects.

Lastly, IV use has been confirmed to be often fatal. I don't see why smoking would be too different; I believe the issue stems from rapid ingestion.

[gmeziscool2354]

propylhexedrine is most definitly an organic molecule. that guy on the video synthesises propylhexadrine acetate, the reaction of the anion phx+ with acetic acid in a simple dehydration reaction.

virtually every psychoactive substance i know with the exception of nitrous oxide (n2O) is an organic molecule. in general if its molecular formula has a bunch of c's and h's, some combination of F, O, N, Cl, Br, C, Si, P, H it is an organic molecule

gmeziscool2354 added 1 Minutes and 23 Seconds later...

the propyl in the name should also remind those of us who have had chemistry courses of IUPAC nomenclature, which in effect means that you are dealing with organic molecules

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Good post.

[cra$h]

does this apply to the other inhalers like levamfetamine? And were the deaths liked to pure propyl, or was it still adulterated with, lets say, menthol and/or lavender?

[Dark_the_7th]

Hey everyone, I came across this thread just now doing a search about Propylhexedrine and was amazed to see My Aardvaark being talked about!

Indeed, the Aaardvaark has this to say:

"I am the quote/unquote "loser" smoking Propyl out of a lightbulb on Youtube. I just thought I'd let you guys in on a few things I've discovered since posting that video. First, I'd like to point out that my skills in organic chemistry have vastly improved since my initial experiments with smoking it... As I said in the video, I used a vinegar solution to isolate the P as an acid salt without actually "extracting" anything. The entire contents of the inhaler; menthol, lavender and excess acetic acid were all in my final product (thus the brown-ish, gooey consistency) which made smoking it difficult, but still possible.

All I can say is if you're going to use a weak acid to isolate it, you're going to need a lot more of it than you should, and you'll undoubtedly end-up with excess acid in your final product. Be aware, if you're attempting to smoke it in that state you'll need to "burn-off" the excess acid before you start inhaling unless you want your lungs to light on fire (figuratively). You'll know when to inhale when the smell turns from bitter/acidic to sweet and aromatic (somewhat like the smell of meth).

Also, if you want a better extraction there's plenty available online for isolating pure Propylhexedrine Hydrochloride (this is the method I use now). The HCl salt vaporizes amazingly well and pure and hits like a champ (if you don't overdo it on the HCl acid it's great for snorting too).

As for the effects... 'Eh, don't buy into this "lockjaw" stuff. I've never experienced it, and if it ever happened, the comedown from this stuff is fast enough for it not to be a worry. That's the big deal with smoking this stuff... The duration is MUCH faster than ingestion; it's almost similar to freebase cocaine in that regard. It's hard, intense, quick, and leaves you on the floor gasping for breath. All in all it's a wonderful experience, but absolutely exhausting. It sort of feels like running an entire marathon in about 30 seconds."

Anyhow, happy tripping and let me know if anyone has any more questions fo the aformentioned Aardvaark.

[Dark_the_7th]

Sorry guys. but I guess SWIM can't edit yet. Oh well.

Let it be noted that the Vicks inhalers containing levmetamfetamine are not at all recreational and there's really nothing you can do with them to make them recreational.