Drug info - mdma tablets compared to powder?

[Spare Chaynge]

Swim has a good idea why mdma tablets are in theory more susceptible of being cut to a higher % Than powder. but he is having trouble articulating the idea.

please help him.

[RaverHippie]

SWIM has had better luck with pills than powder tbh. It's not as straight forward as people wish it was.

but to stay on topic, pills can be made with similar logo's to pills with strong reputations. The imitations can have much less MDMA content but still get passed on as the original pills for a short period of time. People are ignorant thinking the size of the pill affects the amount of MDMA found in the pill (stacks). Easier to hide things in a dyed pressed and chemically bound tablet than a powder which is easier to sample/identify.

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well explained

[Spare Chaynge]

swim would think that the nature of a tablet being a set amount of mgs or size in most people eyes would make it more likely that someone would throw in filler to make it comparable to a "normal" sized tablet.. does this make any sense.

This size idea is not so much of an issue with powder.. but swim now that he thinks of it ppl might throw in filler to make it similar to how much powder ppl expect to get for a set amount of money..

any more ideas... please comment on my above idea..

[RaverHippie]

alas there is no standard size for an E tablet they come in all sorts of shapes sizes and weights so there's no way to establish a "normal" tablet. You could only distinguish extreme anomalies like one that is about 3 CM in diameter instead of about 1cm in diameter for example. In SWIM's opinion dealers are able to tamper with powder a lot easier than pills. They can pinch out portions of a g of MDMA a lot like dealers can short someone on a bag of coke. People aren't going to bring a scale and measure it they have to take the dealer's word for it. With tablet someone could just count how many they're owed. Also they can't alter the pills once they've received them from whatever supplier, they're always as pure as they were after they're pressed which is something that could never be guaranteed by powder.

[Aar0n]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

In SWIM's opinion dealers are able to tamper with powder a lot easier than pills.

That's why SWIM has been told to only buy MDMA if it's in a more crystalline form, or in a large lump, which greatly reduces the chances of it being cut.

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

They can pinch out portions of a g of MDMA a lot like dealers can short someone on a bag of coke. People aren't going to bring a scale and measure it they have to take the dealer's word for it.

SWIM is sure that a some dealers would let their customers see the weight, and if it's too bad - don't buy from them again. SWIM bought a half gram the other day for SWIMs second time rolling, and got 0.41g. Not really that bad, bearing in mind it was a large lump with visible crystals and no powder at all really.

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

Also they can't alter the pills once they've received them from whatever supplier, they're always as pure as they were after they're pressed which is something that could never be guaranteed by powder.

Yes, but as they can't alter them once they've received them, SWIM believes that dealers would simply purchase the absolute cheapest (and therefore most of the time worst) pills possible to make money. At least with MDMA in powder form there's much less of a chance of it being cut with PMA or or really undesireable stuff. Plus, you can at least judge how much MDMA you're consuming more accurately.

SWIM and a friend has tried pills once, and they simply made them hot. No buzz at all. SWIM hasn't obtained a test kit yet, and hasn't performed an acetone wash on MDMA powder yet, however, SWIM would be willing to be that MDMA powder is safer than pills most of the time, and when washed with acetone, even better. The only thing missing would probably be the caffeine / speed / other adulterant buzz. But then, if SWIM wanted that, he'd just buy speed in the first place.

[RaverHippie]

Keep in mind that powder is much less available in the US than compared to UK, there usually isn't a choice between normal powder and a crystalline looking powder--it's a special occasion if it come around near a swimmer. Also Dealers probably don't have much choice when it comes to pills, they just purchase whatever is available from higher up on the chain.

[Spare Chaynge]

Swim is offered molly way more than tabs.. It seems to be more common in the hippie community.

[RaverHippie]

must be a local thing. there are a few areas like miami and I guess in your case oregon where it circulates well.

[jester1]

Hello all, need some help with an iffy situation:

SWIM's friend has a friend of a friend who claims to have MDMA in powder form for sale.
SWIM's friend says his Friend vouches for the guy.
SWIM trusts his friend but since this connection isn't someone his friend knows, he is wary of the product not being pure (to a reasonable extent) MDMA

SWIM's question to the more knowledgeable is: How can SWIM judge the quality by eye? Is there any thing to look for? Appearance, taste, consistency anything at all that could tell SWIM that the powder isn't MDMA? I've read that it should be in a crystalline form vs. a powder, and that it should taste bitter. Is this true? Any other advice?

*Normally, SWIM would just buy a small amount and try it to see if it's legit. BUT SWIM is leaving the area in a couple days and will only have one shot..
**SWIM would also normally test it but his testing kit is on the way in the mail. And far as SWIM knows the regents can only test for the presence of a MDxx agent, not for MDMA itself. Right?

SWIM will buy about 3-4g's if it is indeed molly, so there is considerable money involved. Please help!!! Thanks to all for their time.

Jester

[Routemaster Flash]

MDMA tastes HIDEOUS. Seriously, it's like the dictionary definition of "bitter". So whatever you've got - crystals, powder or pills - if it tastes bad, that's a good sign. Doesn't guarantee it's the real thing, but on the other hand, if it doesn't taste bitter, that's a pretty clear sign you've been stiffed.

[jester1]

thanks for the tip!

hey are these pics accurate?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...A_crystals.JPG

^looks kinda gray? is this the right color? or is it supposed to be white? or off-white?^

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma...hive/mdma3.jpg

^this seems to be perfectly white..^

More help is appreciated!! What should I look for other than bitter taste?

[Spare Chaynge]

Powder is usually good. Worst case situation, buy a dose should be .1 of powder snort a very small bump.. If swim likes and it seems to be mdma get more..

Swim never rarely comes across people selling bunk mdma powder.. but people who sell tabs seem to have bunk ones all the time..

Swim and his group would never touch a tab.. and as a result he has not seen one in at least a year.. he frequently sees the powder.. it is usually white..

[RaverHippie]

And just to show what can happen, my raver friend has ONLY run across very poor quality powder. (in gelcaps each time; different times and sources).

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by jester1

More help is appreciated!! What should I look for other than bitter taste?

Um, the fact that it gets you off your tits?

Seriously, are you buying drugs because they 'look right' or because they're going to get you high? Just try some and if it doesn't do much, well hey ho, you've wasted a few quid-bucks but at least you know to avoid that dealer in future. Just buy from someone that a friend of yours has recommended, is the best approach.

[KomodoMK]

Little fishy prefers crystal MDMA now by far, back in 2004-2005 all the pills around this area in the UK were high strength/quality and some contained MDA which was welcome. However, little fishy and friends did some testing this year on pills and practically all of them contain something different, mostly Piperazines especially mCPP. The quality of crystal MDMA has seemed to remain constant, and thus the only real choice around here currently.

As myself and RaverHippie have demonstrated through our almost opposite experiences, there is no definitive answer to the question. You just need to learn about your local market and make an informed choice.