Cultivation - Coca Cultivation

[wingsofazrael]

this would so be a waste of time unless you have the skills to process the coca leaves and live in an enviroment where you could plant the coca outside...a friendly government wouldnt hurt anything either...

[Ninja Master]

what about chewing the leafs??? if i was to grow coca i would
want to use it in a natural way, not process it into an extremely
potent drug. im wondering about methods of propigation and soil
mixes. do we have any columbian members????

[Benga]

if you google you can find an online version of a coca growing book, and info on coca growing, and even a coca houseplant selling site, but alkaloid production depends on a altitude which is virtually impossible to recreate artificially.the plant has been grown to some success in mounteanous areas of california, but there is little information on that.


if you're not based in the united states that is, you're better off buying a few hundred grams of coca leaves for chewing than going through the hassle of growing for a presumably meagre result...


And remember you can also "chew" cocatea bags as well...

[Gargalos]

You mention altitude there as an important part for the plant to get into the alkaloid production and its virtual impossibility to recreate artificially. Plants detect how far above sea level they are by temperature, atmospheric pressure and photosensitivity. I believe. Is there any other factors that I've missed? If so, then it should be physically possible (difficult - yes, but lets pretend we're not concerned by the money factor) to recreate a specific environment underground with the correct tools. Would genetics have any play in the potency? Has anyone ever heard of coca being grown for the production of cocaine in any way shape or form apart from the Andean triangle? (I live in a northerly part of australia, so perhaps I can find a physical location in my country that may be adequete... Ill go looking across google myself as well and post up links if I find any that seem to be worth looking at so that others can help authenticate them for or point out what they believe are inaccuracies in their information. (Ill have to do that another night though as I have to get some sleep for a fishing trip. ) Goodnight all, I look forward to any reply's.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Gargalos

You mention altitude there as an important part for the plant to get into the alkaloid production and its virtual impossibility to recreate artificially. Plants detect how far above sea level they are by temperature, atmospheric pressure and photosensitivity. I believe. Is there any other factors that I've missed? If so, then it should be physically possible (difficult - yes, but lets pretend we're not concerned by the money factor) to recreate a specific environment underground with the correct tools. Would genetics have any play in the potency? Has anyone ever heard of coca being grown for the production of cocaine in any way shape or form apart from the Andean triangle? (I live in a northerly part of australia, so perhaps I can find a physical location in my country that may be adequete... Ill go looking across google myself as well and post up links if I find any that seem to be worth looking at so that others can help authenticate them for or point out what they believe are inaccuracies in their information. (Ill have to do that another night though as I have to get some sleep for a fishing trip. ) Goodnight all, I look forward to any reply's.

well yes, coca has been successfully grown in Java and Ceylon / Sri Lanka, from what I remember alkaloid production was much lower than in the Andes, but this was compensated for by extensive production.
When the plant was first studied in the 19th century, some plants were grown in major botanical gardens across europe (kew gardens etc), but alkaloid production was minimal.
As for Australia, I think I remember that there is an indigenous erythroxylum plant in the country, but i don't remember any facts about its chemical makeup. The genus is quite large and incorporates plants like brasilian catuaba for instance, so maybe unknow gems are out there.
As for genetics, there was a genetically modified plant, coca negra, which was developped to resist american anti-coca spraying, but I have never heard of plants being modified to grow and produce alkaloids in less favourable environments. Considering the kind of money that the cartels have (and the fact that they have already worked on genetically modified plants), it seems likely that this is has proven impossible so far...
One fact to keep in mind is that one of the strongest coca plants actually grows wild in the amazon forests (peruvian side), not in the Andes, and it has very small leaves which are very rich in alkaloids, so this might be of some interest in the light of your request.
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[hav0c]

You need a huge growing area to make it work because the coca plant has very little actual cocaine in it. You need thousands of plants to extract the cocaine from to get a decent amount.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by hav0c

You need a huge growing area to make it work because the coca plant has very little actual cocaine in it. You need thousands of plants to extract the cocaine from to get a decent amount.

A kilo of leaves for an eightball if you're skilled.
but coca is a great plant, really healthy and energizing without the downsides of cocaine. Recently swim has tried some leaves of a much higher quality than usual, it's amazing, makes you reconsider the desire to consume cocaine Hcl, and this is no joke...It's not the same as Hcl of course, but maybe with excellent leaves better...the dopamine kick is certainly there, that's for sure.

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[Benga]

you could also look in to this story :
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ighlight=tokyo

[dat dude]

is it possible to grow a coca plant indoors harvest it an get some pure raw?

[Abrad]

You would need to harvest kilos of leaves to make it worth your while.

[dat dude]

it takes that much?

[motorhead]

Hi dude. Take a moment to read the rules please, and browse around. It took me all of 5 seconds to read your first 5 posts. There is a wealth of information here, including alot of stuff pertaining to your questions. cheers

[dat dude]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Hi dude. Take a moment to read the rules please, and browse around. It took me all of 5 seconds to read your first 5 posts. There is a wealth of information here, including alot of stuff pertaining to your questions. cheers

wut up read the rules after i made this thread i don't think i broke any
i don't really understand the swim thing unless ur tellin a story about somone else or depeding on where u live
ahhh the search button we have a love hate relationship it's all love today
thanks for postin peace

[bcStoner420]

The thing is this is a very basic question that has been answered probably a dozen times, this is why you use the search engine, no point making a new thread if everyquestion you have as already been answered multiple times. People just get tired of answering the same questions over and over again. Though, at any time if you have a question that you couldn't find by searching most of us will be happy to help if possible. The point of SWIM is to not self-incriminate, since there is law enforcement who reads these forums. Also, people particularily don't like 1 line posts unless necessary. That one were all guilty of every now and then though, including myself, sometimes all that needs to be said is in that 1 line.

[motorhead]

The swim alias is used so swims dont incriminate themselves. What i was getting at, and i think u got it, is to look around and yes use the search before you post stuff that has been asked and answered already. Cheers, have fun.

[t3rror]

hypothetically if one was to grow coca by seed (maybe 80-100 plants) indoor in a hydroponic setup given the time to allow maturity and such how long would it take to get 1kg of dried leaves....or 1000kgs?

[Benga]

Originally Posted by t3rror

hypothetically if one was to grow coca by seed (maybe 80-100 plants) indoor in a hydroponic setup given the time to allow maturity and such how long would it take to get 1kg of dried leaves....or 1000kgs?

unless you live in the mountains, you would also need to reproduce altitude conditions ( atmospheric pressure) if you want your coca bushes to be anything more than ornemental.
1000kg from 100 plants seems very unlikely.
I would just advise you to save the money and time, in other words forget it...

[jouni]

Swim has also read that it takes at least 3 years to grow (from the seeding) to get any "potent" coca..so he really doesn't see any reason to grow coca at home.It is also illegal in most of the countries..
If it would be in any way worthwhile you'd know it already,trust me.
If swiy still wants to try this there is coca seeds and books on how to grow them available somewhere in the internet..

[davidBuster23]

Dominic Streatfield's book "Cocaine: An Unauthorized Biography" contains the following passage about Columbian coca farming:

"Although Felix maintained just 2 hectacres (5 acres, 20,200 square meters, or 218,000 square feet) of coca, he managed an impressive 6 harvests per year, each one netting him 1,250 lbs (567 kg) of coca. Thus, each year, Felix... could produce 7,500 lbs (3,400 kg) of leaf, yielding 5 kilos of pasta (raw cocaine paste). This pasta, containing 40 to 60 percent cocaine, had to go through two more stages to become cocaine hydrochloride. ... At the end of the process, Felix's five kilos of pasta would yield approximately two and a quarter kilos of pure cocaine..."

Though I don't know how many plants exactly can grow in one hectacre, I'd say your 80-100 plants are not going to add up to too much. And my guess is the professional coca farmer living in the proper environment is going to have somewhat better results than a novice with a hydroponic garden. If anyone were to decide to give it a go, I'd be very interested in hearing how it turned out.

[drummel]

How can i get my E Coca leafs greener ? The seem to stay quite yellow. Leaf Fertilizer, Enzymes ?
(which NPK ? )

[Cakes]

It is rather yellow plant naturally. In the last ten posts or so we have been discussing it a bit. so even though nitrogen is a good guess and might be worth trying, it might not be the answer for coca.

If SWIM still thinks it is a nute problem, then maybe he would like to consider this>Iron is a classic mineral for solving chlorosis/pale green-yellow growth in plants; and it is also a main constituent of coca's native soil (iron is what makes coca's soil acidic). Zinc also is associated with chlorosis.

SWIM knows what he put in the soil<so he knows what it is okay to add.