Experiences - F***ed SWIM up

[AngelicFruitcake]

SWIM was interested in 'herbal pills' for a while (but from now looking at the herbal pills forum she realises BZP containing pills aren't actually herbal pills) so she bought 2 different kinds, 'grin' and 'dances with angels'. She took one grin pill at about 7 pm, waited 2 hours and didn't really feel high just happy and quite hyper, took another, still nothing an hour after, so she thought since it wasn't really doing much she would get drunk. Later, about 11 pm or 12 am, she stupidly took the 'dances with angels' pill as she thought it probably wouldn't do anything anyway she might as well try it, bad move! She can't remember loads from the high as she was really drunk as well, but her friend walked her some of the way home at about 2am then her friend left, and SWIM didn't get home til about 6am when it should've taken her about 10 minutes! (she knows this because she said she'd text her friend when she got in, and looked at the sent messages after and she sent a text saying 'i just got home' at about 6am!) the comedown was literally one of the worst experiences she's had though! But the only other drugs she has done is alot of weed and speed once, she thought the comedown on speed was quite bad, but not half as bad as this! time was like....it wasn't working, or moving, hard to explain, she couldn't count either and doing anything was too much for her head, like watching TV or texting, and she was SO tired but simply could not sleep, every time she sort of started to drift off she thought her dreams were real, they were so weird as well they were too headf*cking to sleep so she had no choice but to stay awake. And the worst thing was the comedown lasted over 24 hours! like atleast 30....it got better and better but SOOOOO slowly, everytime she drunk water it made her feel really nauseus but she was so thristy, and she actually hallucinated mildly!!! she remembers looking at a towel on the floor and it started like....growing, going really fat! the cracks from her floorboards were moving, then when she looked at her wall the patterns started spinning around lol. But when she shook her head it stopped, it was more when she was staring for ages it happened. She also felt her heart beating really fast throughout the whole comedown which was annoying as hell. The day after she heard a voice recording of herself that her friend recorded of her talking about how no one can take our souls and that the world is going to end :| :| :|
She thought possibly the reason it was so bad was because she was drunk as well, but obviously not, because she decided to give another pill another ago....one called XXL I think, or XX something I can't remember. She did 1 of these at about 11pm and didn't drink a drop oh alcohol, just smoked a bit of cannabis. Felt no high at all really, was just stoned, but still had a TERRIBLE comedown again! She was lying on her friend's couch from bout 5am in the morning til about 11pm the next night coz it was far too much energry to move, she only bothered to get up to go to the toilet, again was really thirsty but drinking water made her feel sick, and got a few mild hallucinations when staring at the curtains, and again was sooooo tired but whenever she started to drift off had crazy weird dreams that seemed real so she couldn't sleep....whenever people offered food or talked about food it was like she didn't want food in her life at all anymore. She also had that bloody annoying heartbeat thing all throughout the comedown again. Last time SWIM ever tries BZP!!! soooo not worth it. Just thought I would post SWIM's experience! Maybe she'll try some herbal pills that don't contain BZP...

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	Thanks for the report.
	please try to give a hint as to the content of the post with your titles

[FrankenChrist]

Paragraphs, mate.

[AngelicFruitcake]

Originally Posted by FrankenChrist

Paragraphs, mate.

what difference does it make?!

[Panthers007]

It helps people read what you are writing. If it's all jammed together, people won't bother reading it. It also shows you care about the information contained and are willing to go the extra meter to have them read it.

Okay? Give it a try! Thanks.

[AngelicFruitcake]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

It helps people read what you are writing. If it's all jammed together, people won't bother reading it. It also shows you care about the information contained and are willing to go the extra meter to have them read it.

Okay? Give it a try! Thanks.

well i always type like that if i want to read something i just read it, i don't really care how it's typed out aslong as it's readable....maybe that's just me but fine, i don't see how just because i didn't type in paragraphs means i don't care about the information that's a bit of an overreaction

jessee_canning added 1 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

can't change it now anyway sorry

[fiveleggedrat]

Breaking it up really does increase the chances someone will read it and try to help.

Swim never had bad experiences than BZP, and found it much milder than cocaine or amphetamines, almost something he could use often for the mood boost/hyperness to get things done.

Too bad it became illegal here in the US. Swim would still use it. He used pills from a big "herbal" high company. Of course, this was before Swim ever used any drugs. The supplier at the time advertised BZP/TMFPP combo pills as being psychedelic, and mushroom like. Of course they were nothing like that. It was like a clean, nice, mild amphetamine, strong in the areas where it mattered, and with almost zero side effects/body load.

[AngelicFruitcake]

Ok, fair enough.

Yeh, when SWIM took the dances with angels pill she thought it was alot like speed. The people at the store also told her they don't give you comedowns! but I guess it depends on the person..

[Panthers007]

Writing is an artform, as well as a method of communication. Unfortunately the schools tend to make people hate writing, so they never find the fun aspects of it. But once someone sits down and tries - they tend to see what I mean. It IS fun!

[AngelicFruitcake]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

Writing is an artform, as well as a method of communication. Unfortunately the schools tend to make people hate writing, so they never find the fun aspects of it. But once someone sits down and tries - they tend to see what I mean. It IS fun!

lol, it's only typing/writing!

[0utrider]

i dont know why, but my friend would not say its necessarily bzp.. or SWIY caught a REALLY high dosed pill with the other pills having some effect before (maybe MAOI?) and a LOT of alcohol..

sure it was bzp? however, sorry for SWIY, but its always better to get knowledge about whatever SW is doing, before doing it..

[fiveleggedrat]

Yes, Swim agrees that comedowns were mild to none. They consisted of insomnia, overheating, flushing, and rapid heartbeat.

[AngelicFruitcake]

Originally Posted by outriderx

i dont know why, but my friend would not say its necessarily bzp.. or SWIY caught a REALLY high dosed pill with the other pills having some effect before (maybe MAOI?) and a LOT of alcohol..

sure it was bzp? however, sorry for SWIY, but its always better to get knowledge about whatever SW is doing, before doing it..

well the ingredients on the packet said BZP! for the dances with angels it did anyway but i can't remember about the grin ones, and the other one she did few weeks after was one a friend gave her so she didn't look at the packet but the comedown was the same as before, and she didn't even drink any alcohol that time!

[Panthers007]

Aren't the piperazines notorious for bad reactions with alcohol? Was there a warning on the label regarding what SWIM shouldn't mix these with?

[0utrider]

from a friends experiences.. the worst, or in general the only overly annoying hangovers are if bzp is combined with (lots of) alcohol.. otherwise no problems apart from insomnia and lethargy the next day, the usual stuff

[ProfTaster]

I had similar experience to yours with BZP, jessee. The comedown lasts way too long and psychologically it's very intense. Trippy paranoia lasting quite a while.

[Mona Lisa]

Originally Posted by ProfTaster

I had similar experience to yours with BZP, jessee. The comedown lasts way too long and psychologically it's very intense. Trippy paranoia lasting quite a while.

Welcome to the forums and realise you can't edit it but please remember not to self-incriminate yourself. This is why there are so many swimmers here.

As for BZP comedowns, SWIM believes the biggest culprits are either taking too much at once because it has a far longer come-up than most other substances (over two hours sometimes) causing people to top-up excessively. The other culprit is mixing piperazines with alcohol.

[cosmicruler]

Originally Posted by jessee_canning

well the ingredients on the packet said BZP! for the dances with angels it did anyway but i can't remember about the grin ones, and the other one she did few weeks after was one a friend gave her so she didn't look at the packet but the comedown was the same as before, and she didn't even drink any alcohol that time!

were the others called 'big grin'???

if so they are pFPP based...
and are horrible,as are ALL piperazines.....
with the best of them probably being MeOPP,but thats still not that great...

[0utrider]

how is meopp ??

[AngelicFruitcake]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

Aren't the piperazines notorious for bad reactions with alcohol? Was there a warning on the label regarding what SWIM shouldn't mix these with?

SWIM didn't know that before she took them, but yes there was a warning label and yes it was a stupid decision to take them drunk, she thought this was the reason of feeling like that...but as I said SWIM got the exact same comedown a couple of weeks later with different herbal pills, just one, when she hadn't drunk ANY alcohol!

jessee_canning added 2 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by ProfTaster

I had similar experience to yours with BZP, jessee. The comedown lasts way too long and psychologically it's very intense. Trippy paranoia lasting quite a while.

yep, exactly! was horrible SWIM tried actual real pills about a month ago and didn't even find the comedown from them half as bad as from the herbal pills! lol

jessee_canning added 3 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by cosmicruler

were the others called 'big grin'???

if so they are pFPP based...
and are horrible,as are ALL piperazines.....
with the best of them probably being MeOPP,but thats still not that great...

yep they were big grin! yeh definitely, SWIM will never be trying them again!