Opinions - Research Chemicals as rave/club drugs

[runitsthepolice]

Swim was wondering what others thought of this concept. He has gone out a few times on 10-15mg 2c-i + alcohol and it was an enjoyable experience. The best thing about 2c-i is that swim experiences music in a more profound way. One thing that he doesnt like about 2c-i is that sometimes talking can be intense. Swim isn't really sure how to describe it other than that he thinks about the conversation a little too much. Luckily this is not much of an issue in a club. Do any other swimmers have good experience or suggestions of rc's that may be useful for this kind of social recreational environment?

Swim is mainly interested in chemicals that don't totally wreck your mind at moderate doses, enhance music, provide some energy (or at least dont make you lazy), and make a swim more outgoing. Some euphoria and visuals would be nice too.

[RaverHippie]

SWIM and friends tested this out quite often. 2C-I, 2C-E, 2C-T-2 were all used alone and in conjunction with mdma with beautiful results. Plenty of fun with the music, there were very few moments of social awkwardness, and by the time the rave was over they were able to be coherent when people were more social and so people couldn't even tell what they were on really. 2C-I never brought any visuals for SWIM but 2C-E and 2C-T-2 were amazing for this part. SWIM always gets natural euphoria from a rave and friends so it was impossible to tell if the chemicals enhanced or brought out even more euphoria than baseline.

[EntheogenicTruth]

Swim has had an interesting time with RCs and what you would call raves/clubs, swim has had some great experiences with various RCs at a number of events (ill give you a hint: outdoors) and most of them have gone down quite favourably. just remember that mixing RCs with other psychedelics can be overinteresting and on occasion overwhelmingly so. especially 2c-e. swim had a very interesting experience with a couple of blotters and a dose and a half of 2c-e. meditation went well.

[Wierd Logic]

In Monkeys limited experience with the 2Cs, they work very well in a club/rave environment. Especially 2C-B; it works well with music.

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM has had 2CB in conjunction with MDMA in a club and had a really good time. SWIM has also been sold 2CI pills in a club which were good, were pretty weak pills though apparently. SWIM took 5 and didn't trip that much, was a nice buzz though, made a good change to taking a load of E pills.

[Samadhi]

some rc's in moderated doses are great social drugs, 2c-i, 2c-b, 5-meo-mipt and 2c-c have been good to the lab cats for these purposes.

but, be warned that one should be very experienced with these chemicals and dosages of said chemicals before applying them to a social setting, maybe ease swiy's use into these situations by slowly adding in a few friends and comfortable people into the mix of the experience.

swim was once afriad to be tripping in front of people, but since he gradually eased into social drug using he has found that it can create a really positive synergy with certain chemicals.

SWIM'S SUMMERY OF SOCIAL SITUATION CHEMICALS (RC's)

2c-i: come-up on doses of 18mg+ can be a little overwhelming, but the mental stimulation and pleasent visuals can be very comfy in a high-energy situation. dosage above 18mg would be ill advised due to possible body load.

2c-e: This one at dosages BELOW 17mg would be optimal for a small setting group situation, anything dosed higher may bring a few mental problems with paranoia and the peak being unnerving and non-social, maybe after the peak this chemical can be social but it is far too visual at higher dosages for a club setting.

2c-c: swim finds this chemical recreationally boring most of the time but it's nice downer-type feeling (kinda weird for a halogenated phenethylamine but oh well) and crisp colorful visuals at +20mg can make for a very easy large-group setting trip and swim found that while moving it can really make him feel light and happy, so dancing would probably feel good.

2c-b: Swim has yet to fully experience this chemical but the first time he tried it was at a DJ Shadow concert and swim felt great, talked with a ton of new people and his friends and danced to some awesome beats and samples. The dosage was 20mg and the visual aspect was not an issue. Swim reccomends this.

2c-d: This chemical is very good for small gatherings at dosages of 20mg or so, one may find themselves feeling a little bored with it in a rave setting but it would be nice if someone who has some experience with this chemical could type an experience of a dance-club setting.

2c-p: Big no-no, swim has tried this chemical a few times and finds it more intense that 2c-e for visual and mental tripping, it was hard to keep composure with his roommate and he had problems with speaking clearly during the peak.

2c-t-7: this chemical would be ideal for a rave setting at 25mg-30mg if one is comfortable with that dosage. it is a very speedy chemical with great visuals that play well with lights, only problem swim forsees is dehydration and some stomach discomfort during the come-up.

2c-t-2: someone explained it above, but swim doesn't reccomend this chemical for a rave setting due to high body-load and the headache swim gets at the tail end of it.

5-MeO-MiPT: Swim personally loves this chemical for dancing and social situations, it has a very natural body-buzz and a very steady stimulation that reminds him slightly of low dose methylphenedate. Not too much on the visual side but it would work very well with dancing. 6-10mg is optimal for a rave setting in swims opinion

5-MeO-DiPT: Foxy, some love it, some really don't. swim has found this chemical to be good for concerts and social gatherings, the euphoria brought on by it is a little sythetic-feeling and rushy but it feels good to move and be a little lovey-dovey if one is looking to get with a lady at a club/rave. 10-15mg was sufficient for swim.

DOx chemicals: Swim lumped them all into a large group to say that one must be very comfortable with these chemicals in known dosages to really feel social on them, swim fully suggests against using these drugs at a rave (especially DOI and DOB due to a 'higher' amphetamine feeling accompanying them)

2c-b-fly: if one can get it, it can be a very euphoric drug and when swim danced with his lady around the campfire with it, it was a very nice experience, swim suggests a dose of 8-12mg for this one for a rave setting.
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Those are all that come to swims head at the moment, but as swim said before, one should be VERY comfortable with his/her body, substance and mind before trying any of these in a club setting.

If there are any that people wish to ask for a description of in this thread that swim did not list, please ask and swim would be glad to summarize it for swiy! It is hard to come across a RC that swim has not tried.

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[runitsthepolice]

how about 4-ho-mipt or 4-aco-dmt?

[MrG]

methylone and MBDB is often touted as a very good MDMA sub. It is noted in this thread http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...methylone+mbdb

[cosmicruler]

bk-mbdb is another that is a tried and true rave type RC.

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Ty for your suggestion