Drug info - A friend of mine is thinking about trying Methadone for the first time.

[ThusSpokeZarathustra]

He's pretty experienced with opiates such as hydrocodone, and dextropropoxyphene. His tolerance is building up somewhat, as he's ingested quite a bit of these substances in the last year, and a bit of oxycodone in the form of percocet.

He was just wondering what dosage would be best to start at, and what to expect overall from the experience. Is it a smart idea to try this with only a tolerance to vicodin and darvocet?

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim says methadone is underwhelming compared to other typical opiates like oxy/hydrocodone.

Swim started with 5mg, taking 5mg increments in a liquid solution, and stopped at 20mg.

Don't expect much euphoria.

[ThusSpokeZarathustra]

Yeah, he took 5mg last night around 8:30, and said he didn't feel anything at all, until around 11:30. Then he was on the nod allll night.

Definitely a wonderful buzz, but not the oxy/hydrocodone effects he's come to know and love.


(irrelevant noob question): What does 'swim' and 'swiy' represent? I understand it's part of avoiding self-incrimination, but what does it stand for?

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[fiveleggedrat]

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Nice to hear you had a good experience!

Swim would put 5mg in water and drink it once is dissolved, which would hit in almost exactly 30 min. Methadone hits slower than other opiates. Most hit him 10-20min when in liquid. He always finds the times when he does liquid to be more enjoyable and more intense.

[ThusSpokeZarathustra]

Thanks for the info! Will all pill forms of methadone dissolve in water? SWIM had a 10mg pill, and a good friend/opiate expert told him that with his relatively low opiate tolerance that 5mg should do him good for the first time. He has the other 5mg half left, and is curious how much water he should dissolve the 5mgs in?

SWIM was also wondering if the cross-tolerance effects of Methadone start immediately. Say if SWIM were to take this 5 mg tonight, and go find some hydros/oxys in a week or so, would swim have to take more hydros or oxys to achieve the effect he's used to?

Also, SWIM was browsing the opiate potentiator thread, and was wondering if there are any substances that may increase the euphoric effects of Methadone, as grape fruit juice and TUMS do with oxys, hydrocodone, etc?

[0utrider]

swim needs soemthing against pain.. is methadone a good analgetic? he plans on startin with 10mgs, but SWIYs 5mg experience is a lil "shocking".. SWIM assumes at that moment he didnt have any tolernace, apart from experience, right??

swim left hospital 3 days ago and has been on 40 mgs of oxy per day, mild nauseau the first day (had some codeine in the hospital itself, just a bit, thus a lil tolerance) and he would like to feel good and kill the pain but not to nod a day or a night!
any advise?

[ThusSpokeZarathustra]

SWIM has a very mild tolerance to hydrocodone, and he's done even less oxycodone, so swim's friend said he may feel very sick if he takes the whole thing (10mg methadone pill) with such a low tolerance. SWIM took it recreationally, but if it's any consolation, about 2 and a half hours into feeling the methadone, he smacked his head really hard on a cabinet door that was open, and had a pretty minor cut on his head . . . but he didn't feel it at all, and completely forgot it happened until he woke up with a minor scab on his scalp . . haha.

[y0ssarianlives]

SWIM would like to remind SWIY that although you may stop feeling the buzz after a few hours, the methadone will still be in SWIYS system for a good while longer than most opioids with it's half life of around 24 hours (more or less depending on personal body chemistry), even when the analgesic/euphoric effects wear off, and there can be a risk of redosing too early or even the next day using some sort of chemical that depresses the respiratory system which can be dangerous with 'done.

So be careful!

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[ThusSpokeZarathustra]

Originally Posted by y0ssarianlives

SWIM would like to remind SWIY that although you may stop feeling the buzz after a few hours, the methadone will still be in SWIYS system for a good while longer than most opioids with it's half life of around 24 hours (more or less depending on personal body chemistry), even when the analgesic/euphoric effects wear off, and there can be a risk of redosing too early or even the next day using some sort of chemical that depresses the respiratory system which can be dangerous with 'done.

So be careful!

Thanks for the tip!
SWIM hasn't taken the other 5mg yet, as SWIM was kind of waiting for a response to the above questions. SWIMS Actually is kind of worried that methadone will make other opiates seem less euphoric, because SWIM knows it's used to get people off the needle, therefore blocks a lot of the euphoric effects of other opiates.

[0utrider]

yes, but only as long as SWIY has it in his system!

[allyourbase]

if your friend likes euphoria methadone sucks in swim's humble opinion, swim needs 120 mg methadone to feel a threshhold whereas 30 mg hydrocodone gives him the nods. good for junkies, not for recreation.

[0utrider]

what about pain management?

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by ThusSpokeZarathustra

Thanks for the tip!
SWIM hasn't taken the other 5mg yet, as SWIM was kind of waiting for a response to the above questions. SWIMS Actually is kind of worried that methadone will make other opiates seem less euphoric, because SWIM knows it's used to get people off the needle, therefore blocks a lot of the euphoric effects of other opiates.

if you have the methadone in your system, it definitely will make other opiates less euphoric....when SWIM was on methadone, it made using heroin and oxy's have less euphoria

[ThusSpokeZarathustra]

Ohhh alright. It only blocks the euphoria of other opiates for the 24 hours it's in your system? Well Swim has quite a bit of trouble finding hydros/oxys in his area, and a friend said he could get swim some methadone, and said it was much stronger.

Thanks for all the info, and swim probably won't continue buying the dones.

[Spare Chaynge]

swim prefers methadone.. most swims do not though..

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim also prefers methadone.It is a much more longlasting high.Ofcourse that is what gives it it's high factor for addiction.

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good point about long half life

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim has used methadone for pain management with success before, good analgesia with much less euphoria and overall worth compared to other opiates.

Swim had threshhold at 5mg though as well, no tolerance except experience.

Swim also thinks the fact that it is longer lasting makes it less addictive, at least psychologically, he gets sick of being high for 2-3 days per dose after day 1 and won't touch anything for a while.

[ThusSpokeZarathustra]

SWIM is over the dones, but they are just so much dumb easier to obtain. There really is nothing like a 40mg hydro nod . . . but it's probably a good thing that swim has no 'reliable' opiate dealer, or else he'd have a pretty nasty addiction on his hands.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

if your friend likes euphoria methadone sucks in swim's humble opinion, swim needs 120 mg methadone to feel a threshhold whereas 30 mg hydrocodone gives him the nods. good for junkies, not for recreation.

120mg of Methadone is a massive dose. If SWIY has no tolerance, which he does not have if he gets high of only 30mg of Hydrocodone, than 120mg of Methadone will most likely be fatal. Methadone is a very potent opioid, more potent than Hydrocodone and simmilar to, or even more so than Oxycodone, which is already fairly potent.

SWIM by the way, likes Methadone a lot. It's generally pretty cheap and easy to obtain, much more so than any other pharmaceutical opioid like Oxycodone or even Morphine. It also keeps on lasting on and on. While all other opioids only last for one or two hours, a few hours at most, Methadone lasts one and a half day! Due to IV'ing extremely high purity Heroin daily for the last 2 months, SWIM got a pretty big tolerance. Because of this, he isn't able to feel the full euphoria with most opioids anymore, and Methadone is one of those drugs. It's one of the best opioids around with a little or no tolerance, and even still with a moderate tolerance, but not with any more tolerance than that.