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Old 21-07-2008, 14:51
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1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

Is 1mg of colonipin the same as taking 1mg of xanax? Not meaning half lives, I understand colonipin to be longer. I mean in effect. Would the xanax be stronger in effect?
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Old 21-07-2008, 15:06
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Re: 1mg xanax=to 1mg colonipin?

xanax has a euphoric effect because it acts so fast, especially when snorted. klonopin doesn't equal it, but it can still be fun to snort.

they're two different drugs, even though they're benzos.
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Old 21-07-2008, 17:04
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Re: 1mg xanax=to 1mg colonipin?

There is a sticky at the top of this forum called Benzodiazepine Equivalent Doses and according to that 1mg of alprazolam (Xanax) is equivalent to 1mg of clonazepam (Klonopin).

As for snorting benzodiazepines, there is a lot of debate about that but personally i don't think it works because of the solubility issue. In my opinion the majority of the drug will end up in the stomach and since it has been crushed then it is absorbed faster. I do not recommend snorting benzodiazepines.
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Re: 1mg xanax=to 1mg colonipin?

Wow, im a nub for not seeing that. ty for link though.
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Re: 1mg xanax=to 1mg colonipin?

swim finds 4mg of alprazolam (xanax) has a little more intense effect than 4mg of clonazepam (Klonopin) but not by that much. swim would take the clonazepam over the alprazolam almost all of the time because of the generally same effects and the way longer life of the drug. however sometimes swim would take the alprazolam for the little more intensity, but that comes with it lasting for a rediculously short period of time.
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Old 21-07-2008, 21:16
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Re: 1mg xanax=to 1mg colonipin?

"colonipin" sounds like a new suppository product
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Old 22-07-2008, 12:55
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Re: 1mg xanax=to 1mg colonipin?

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"colonipin" sounds like a new suppository product
Sounds painful
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Re: 1mg xanax=to 1mg colonipin?

Just a note for posterity, originally clonazepam WAS sold under the name Clonopin. Dunno why they changed it to Klonopin. Might the that same "aa" thing that Maalox and Quaalude had going on to boost sales. Or maybe a patent expired or something. Anyways, that's all.
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Old 23-08-2008, 03:26
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

Depends. My friend can take a 2mg bar of alprazolam and not get much from it.

However, she takes 2mg clonazepam and loves it.

Less amnesia/confusion with clonazepam for us Swimmers. Swim would prefer it over alprazolam.

Generally speaking though, the alprazolam is def. stronger.

Snorting benzos works, Swim does it. Hits MUCH quicker, lasts shorter (good if you can't be fucked up for long), and loses a little potency though.

Also, different benzos have pretty different effects, at least for Swim and all the people we knows who do them. For example, Swim won't do lorazepam. Too weak, too long lasting, and not a lot of kick to it. Too subtle.
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Re: 1mg xanax=to 1mg colonipin?

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There is a sticky at the top of this forum called Benzodiazepine Equivalent Doses and according to that 1mg of alprazolam (Xanax) is equivalent to 1mg of clonazepam (Klonopin).
Equivalent doses is good for withdrawal schedules and accounting for tolerance when switching from one benzo to another, but my giraffe doesn't find it to be consistently accurate for determining subjective effects of the drugs. Some benzos that should be much weaker in effects for the dose taken, according to the table, produce more noticeable effects than ones that should be stronger sometimes. The table should be used as a general guide, but keep in mind that effects will vary from individual to individual.

My giraffe notices the effects of alprazolam easier than he would with clonazepam, but he prefers the effects of clonazepam greatly over those of alprazolam. He also gets more irritating effects from alprazolam, such as excessive sedation and anterograde amnesia, as well as more of a hangover the day after (plus dealing with whatever stupid shit he did while blacked out). This is at higher dose of course, but even at lower ones he feels clonazepam is both more enjoyable and beneficial.
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Old 23-08-2008, 14:12
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

Swim agrees, clonazepam for him is more enjoyable than alprazolam.

Also, Swim finds the benzo and opiate dose charts/equivalence chart to be way off from how his body reacts.
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

Swim agrees with fiveleggedrat. The cat recently came into some 0.25 alprazolam tabs. He's been on lorazepam for quite some time and is at a pretty high dose. Using Dr. Ashton's chart, Swim had to take about 1.5mgs of alprazolam, which just made him sleepy after a little while. Maybe it's a preference thing, but even on other sites, he's seen the same problem. These charts are a good reference, but are merely a starting point.
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Old 23-08-2008, 16:20
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

bear in mind the quivalence charts are essentially for the purpose of tapering in a withdrawal schedule. They are to avoid withdrawal symptoms

Of course 1mg of a fast acting drug is not going to feel the same (subjectively) as 1mg of a long acting drug. There is clear evidence that fast acting drugs are more likely to induce feelings of euphoria and "liking" than longer acting drugs (and are thus more likely to be abused)

As for Lorazepam: It always made the flamingo feel awful: Hungover, thick-headed and groggy
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

Charlie just knows that the clone is longer lasting
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Old 24-08-2008, 05:55
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

Swim finds clonazepam to last much less time than alprazolam. Swim has had alprazolam in him for over 12 hours easy before.
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

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Swim finds clonazepam to last much less time than alprazolam. Swim has had alprazolam in him for over 12 hours easy before.
Wow, Charlie wishes alprazolam lasted that long for him. How much did swim fucking take?
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Old 24-08-2008, 17:37
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

2mg.

Swim is sure DF already hates him by now because of his body's abnormal drug half-lifes

Swim once did a 4 or 5mg dose (bad idea) on morning of day 1, was completely fucked for the rest of day 1, was still slightly drunk on day 2, and did not sober up 100% until day 3.

For pretty much all opiates and benzos, Swim gets 1 1/2 to 3 times the average amount of hours out of. Lowering stomach pH and adding proton pump inhibitors can also tack on another few hours after the drug is in Swim's body.
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Re: 1mg Alprazolam = 1mg Clonazepam?

Don't eat and don't drink fluids. Charlie didn't need it with those

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