Effects - Why NOT To Take NightShades.

[Rhin]

Lately SWIM has established that he would probably try almost any drug if the chance came. When he saw that this drug was a hallucinogen he instantly started doing research and he came to a conclusion that this is the one drug he would never try and he told me this.



"This is what I found out about the drug with just a few searches. When I first got interested in drugs I wanted to know what was the most dangerous drug, so I searched "The most dangerous drug in the world" and what showed up was "scopolamine". I looked into some experiences and other things related to scopolamine and this is what I found out.


-After just one try you can go mentally challenged.
-After one try you can get a permanent speech impediment.
-The drug is known as the "Zombie Drug" because when you take it you will do anything anyone tells you to (Have sex, Rob a store, ANYTHING) and not know you did it or remember it after the effects wear off.


Why am I telling you this about scopolamine? Because the main active ingredient in most if not all NightShades is scoplamine!"


SWIM would recommend most chemicals over this drug.

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good infomation

[HoneyCrunch]

Yeah, listen to this people. This stuff is not something that should be messed with EVER. Even ppl who are smart and careful can easily OD on this stuff because the dosage can never be estimated, the potency of each part of the plant varies alot. One leaf can barely have anything, while the next will kill you. I knew all this and still know someone who tried it:

This is what I was told the belladonna trip was like:

"chew a few leaves...wait...wait...wait...
got bored of waiting, so laid down in bed...
wake up who knows how long later and realize I'm practically paralyzed...
fall back to sleep..this repeats several times...
then wake up and feel completely paranoid that the person laying next to me is dead...try to get up but fall down...go back to sleep...
wake up..."gotta pee, gotta pee, gotta pee"...fall down again...go back to sleep...
finally wake up and try to get to the bathroom...
everything seems 'off'. I was looking straight ahead and walking straight, but I bumped into a dresser that appeared to be two feet away from me...try again..."Ow!"...and again..."dammit"....finally said "screw this" and fell back onto the bed...sleepytime...
woke up again and went thru the same thing trying to get to the bathroom but then finally made it. Sat on the toilet and watched as my piss squirted out of millions of tiny holes in the toilet's porcelain. My feet were soaked, the bathroom was flooding, the walls were moving and when I looked thru the wavering doorway, I could see my dead boyfriend still lying on the bed...

Eventually, I went back to bed and woke up half-way ok. The bathroom floor was dry. I was not covered in piss. And my boyfriend was still alive. The strangest thing is that we both had the same hallucination about the bathroom flooding with piss. We both felt that we had almost died. we both had tons of bruises from bumping into furniture and walls. The next day I was seeing couches driving down the highway. He had to work on a fishing boat and saw pigeons dive-bombing the boat while his boss was screaming at him. I saw nothing enlightening or spiritual. I had no fun. I walked away with nothing but painful bruises, a dry mouth, and the feeling I was damn lucky to still be walking."

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	good infomation
	Very informative report

[Panthers007]

The reasons not to use these plants is clear from other threads. I wouldn't say no one should ever use them. Only in the context of the culture. Read the last post here:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62343

[Rhin]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

The reasons not to use these plants is clear from other threads. I wouldn't say no one should ever use them. Only in the context of the culture. Read the last post here:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62343

Yea but if others were like SWIM they would have tried it if they didn't know there was scoplamine in it. SWIM was very close to doing it until he found out what the active ingredient in it was.

SWIM's just trying to keep as many people away from it as possible.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Reasons not to use them are clear from other threads,clear from information and experience reports on erowid,and clear from just a general knowledge of what these plants can do.

[Kpinman]

SWIM would say it is worth experiencing at least once; but be mentally prepared that it may be your last moment on earth. It is a gamble that only the prepared and experienced should ever be willing to take.

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please don't give people the idea it is wotrthwhile to do this because it is not

[leapfrog]

Originally Posted by Rhin

Why am I telling you this about scopolamine? Because the main active ingredient in most if not all NightShades is scoplamine!"

actually, i do believe you're wrong. the main alkaloid in nightshades is atropine, which is where belladonna gets it's name, atropa belladonna.

leapfrog added 4 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

you should also probably mention that, along with scopolamine and atropine, nightshade also contains hyosciamine and b-hyosciamine

[FooManChoo]

Swim would only ever use nightshades under the guide of a shaman. And in that case I think it would be very enlightning yet confronting.

[sunyata]

Originally Posted by leapfrog

actually, i do believe you're wrong. the main alkaloid in nightshades is atropine, which is where belladonna gets it's name, atropa belladonna.

leapfrog added 4 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

you should also probably mention that, along with scopolamine and atropine, nightshade also contains hyosciamine and b-hyosciamine

Nightshades are not one plant, but a family of plants, including potatoes and tomatoes as well, none of which contain scopolamine in significant amounts.
The plants discussed here are called deadly nightshades, a sub-group which includes Daturas, Brugmansias, Belladonna, Henbane and Mandrake. Some, wisely, include tobacco in this category.
The main alkaloid(s) vary between them, some Brugmansias(B.Suavolens and B.Sanguinea) contain mostly scopolamine and are therefore used as medicinal/entheogenic plants.
Datura Metel seeds also contains primarily scopolamine, if I am not mistaken, and is used for their narcotic effects.
You are correct that Belladonna has atropine as a primary alkaloid, which is why it is used to dilate the pupils.
Different parts of the plant can also have different alkaloid compositions, and I assume that the growing conditions will have an effect too.

[leapfrog]

Originally Posted by sunyata

Nightshades are not one plant, but a family of plants, including potatoes and tomatoes as well, none of which contain scopolamine in significant amounts.
The plants discussed here are called deadly nightshades, a sub-group which includes Daturas, Brugmansias, Belladonna, Henbane and Mandrake. Some, wisely, include tobacco in this category.
The main alkaloid(s) vary between them, some Brugmansias(B.Suavolens and B.Sanguinea) contain mostly scopolamine and are therefore used as medicinal/entheogenic plants.
Datura Metel seeds also contains primarily scopolamine, if I am not mistaken, and is used for their narcotic effects.
You are correct that Belladonna has atropine as a primary alkaloid, which is why it is used to dilate the pupils.
Different parts of the plant can also have different alkaloid compositions, and I assume that the growing conditions will have an effect too.

the bit about the nightshades including potatoes i'm actually going to have to read into, unless you have references. i've never heard that before, and i've taken botany. what i've read about nightshades is that the nightshade group consists of 7 different varieties of nightshade, including deadly nightshade, bittersweet nightshade, woody nightshade, and others. i am aware that tomatoes and potatoes are in the solanum family. but, i did just do a little bit of reading, so, lemme rephrase my statement. the solanacae family of nightshades contains the alkaloids mentioned, and, also, i was only aware of alkaloids in the berry portion of the plant, which is where the atropine and hyosciamine are at the highest concentration.

leapfrog added 3 Minutes and 5 Seconds later...

oops...i forgot to delete that first sentence and there's no edit button

[sunyata]

nightshade family
n.
A family of plants, the Solanaceae, characterized by alternate leaves, usually five-petaled flowers, and many-seeded fruits and including the eggplant, tomato, potato, and belladonna as well as the nightshades, capsicum peppers, tobaccos, and petunias.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nightshade+family

Solanaceae (Nightshade Family)

The Solanaceae Family has been highly cultivated over the years - it includes potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, sweet peppers, chili peppers (but not black pepper), tobacco and petunias. Some plants have great medicinal value, some are quite poisonous.
http://plants.montara.com/ListPages/...es/Solana.html

Nightshades=solanaceae, and it's a big family.

[leapfrog]

i think i got the names switched when i was reading about them earlier, i do have dyslexia. but, thank you for the clarification