4-ho-det trip reports

[Pinkavvy]

Please add your experiences with 4-HO-DET here. Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:

Originally Posted by EXAMPLE

Dosage: 35 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: 4 hours

Info about this drug (other than experiences) should be discussed here: Drug info - 4-HO-DET
These documents about 4-HO-DET are in the file archive

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Does anybody have any experience with 4-ho-det? those of you with good info to share about please pm me.

with the recent dry-spell of my favorite rc (2c-e) i am looking to experience ones i haven't tried yet. (which isn't many.) 4-ho-det is available to me, but want to hear more experiences of it.

i want something that can be fun and upbeat and visual but also can be deep and meaningful.

[Muirner]

hell post them up on here, we'd all love to hear what it's like so if we decide to give it a whirl we know what we'd be in for
*note this is just hypothetical*


Muirner

[TelstarTx5]

Hey Guys,
I would appreciate information about everyone's experiences with and recommendations for 4-ho-det?

The dosage/response curve is also of interest.

Thanks and regards,
Tx5

[allyourbase]

I have no experience with this compound myself but Ive heard its right on a par with psylocybin, and that the dosages are remarkably low, you might try 4 milligrams for a threshhold effect.

[GDxCAT]

4 ho det was invented by albert hoffman in 1958. It was called CZ-74 at that time.



Shulgin suggests the dose is between 10-25mg.



This one does seem to remind lots of people of people of musrooms but
tends to be more uncomfortable due to the increased body load.

YMMV

[allyourbase]

yes, after a tad more research this doesnt look like that great of a substance. certain people talk very well about the acetoxy, though, it still just doesnt seem like something worth a whole lot of research.

[Dimitri]

There have been quite a few studies in Germany with that substances, in
the 60s and beginning of the 70's. Especially on the therapeutic use of
it. But it is scheduled here. Still legal in NL & the US.

[TelstarTx5]

I explored it a few days ago and it is a pretty powerful molecule. Quite like mushrooms, it somes ways easier to manage and in others not so. It feels too close to mushrooms to be of additional value, meaning that I don't think there's anything to be learnt from 4hoDET that can't be learnt from mushrooms (but boy, working with pure powders is so much more efficient and realiable!)

[prospero]

4-HO-DET is a very, veryvisual chemical, similar to mushrooms. However there are two big differences to me. Firstly it is emotionally neutral, or even cold. No euphoria or feel-good factor at all - this means it is a lot less fun, and can even become a bad trip.However to counter thisI find it leaves memore clear-headed and in control than I would be on mushrooms, so if things do start going in the wrong direction I can usually pull them back by will-power alone.


Overall not a party drug, but one with sufficient power and depth to be well worthy of exploration.

[mariecurie]

prospero, have you tried 4-ho-dipt or 4-ho-mipt? If so, how do you feel 4-ho-det compares to these?

[prospero]

Never had the privilege to try 4-HO-MIPT. However I've taken4-HO-DIPT which is one of my favourite chemicals. Again it is very, very visual for me, though probably slightly less so than 4-HO-DET or psilocybin. However it feels very different to 4-HO-DET: I find it very euphoric, putting me on a real emotional high, music is fantastic,and everything just seems beautiful! It is alsofor methe strongest aphrodisiac of all the drugs I've ever taken, and sex on it is just indescribable.


Overall therefore I find4-HO-DIPT to be much more enjoyable than 4-HO-DET, though 4-HO-DET is certainly worth the effort. I also feel that 4-HO-DET could work very well in combination with other drugs, though I haven't tried that yet.Edited by: prospero

[waxhorse]

4 ho det was a very visual experience! Lovely stuff...I would put that one in my top 5 of tryptamine experiences. Very similar to mushies. I think I might have actually liked it better!


Of the 4 ho/aco compounds, I've experienced 4ho dipt, 4 ho mipt, 4 aco dipt, 4 aco det, and mushies.


Very fast acting and very short. I think I might have gotten 2.5 hrs from the experiences. That was my complaint about the commercially available 4 aco/ho compounds. Up in about 30-40 minutes, peak at about 1hr, a plateau of about 30-45 minutes and a swift return to reality.


WH

[RoboCop]

Waxhorse out of the ones you tried, (4ho dipt, 4 ho mipt, 4 aco dipt, 4 aco det, and mushies) could you list the one(s) you liked the most? maybe all 5 in the order from least to greatest?

[dmax]

SWIM has done a bunch of these. order of preference:



Mushrooms > 4ho MIPT > 4ho dipt > 4-ho-det > 4-ace-dipt.



He hasn't tried any others, although is curious about 4-ace-mipt.

[prospero]

Do people really feel a difference between the 4-ACO- and 4-HO- versions of these chems? (Apart from minor alterations in dose and duration).


Most reports I've read state that any differences are subtle, but given that identical doses of identical drugs can give verydifferentexperiencesjust due to setand setting, I'm not convinced that the alleged differences between 4-HO and 4-ACO versions are actually there at all.

[waxhorse]

Ho/Aco Stuff in my order of preference...


AcoDet>mushies>HoDipt>AcoDipt>AcoMipt


(I think I actually had HoMipt. This was the stuff that first came out and was sort of tan and extremely hydroscopic. It turned into a very sticky (like a melted sugar candy.) tar. It's been some time ago and I just don't remember anymore.)


I remember that a lot of vendors seemed to have problems manufacturing the Hydroxy stuff and switched to the Acetoxy stuff.


Now that said...I would probably eat the Aco/Ho Dipt before I ate the mushies on any given night. I'm not going to say that you couldn't have a difficult experience with AcoDipt, but I would say that It would probably be less likely. (Than Mushies.)


I love Mushies...but after they have kicked your ass a few times, you start to look at them in a different light.


My first experience with substitued Dipt compound was with HoDipt. Very enjoyable evening. All of my following experiences were with AcoDipt. They certainly felt different...but I'm going to chock it up to the "First Time Experience."


I think one that was underrated was the simple Dipt compound. It really wasn'ta cost effectivesubstance. (And it was rough onyour G.I..)


I would be curious aboutthe Dalt compound!

[RoboCop]

4-ho-det Is a pretty cool substance. Swim likes it alot, Very visual, also works well for swim with combinations, I don't think Swim will be taking 2c-e without it. He/She will be experimenting more with 4-ho's they seem like very worthy substances. 4-ho-det also gives very little if any bodyload, which is excellent! The next day a slight lightheadedness is felt.Edited by: RoboCop

[RoboCop]

Im curious is the doses for 4-ace-det and 4-ho-det the same? Erowid has a page fore 4-ace-det not 4-ho-det but replies like it is about the same compound. Im curious because erowid says the dose for 4-ace-det is up to 40mgs, im curious if 4-ho-det would be lower, shulgin says up to 25mgs for 4-ho-det but his doses seem to be always a little low. Edited by: RoboCop

[allyourbase]

Originally Posted by waxhorse

(I think I actually had HoMipt. This was the stuff that first came out and was sort of tan and extremely hydroscopic. It turned into a very sticky (like a melted sugar candy.) tar. It's been some time ago and I just don't remember anymore.)

wouldnt have been 4homipt, 4homipt typically settles into a thick brownish crystaline substance, and remains so, I know people who have left it in storage for more than a year with very little change in appearance and virtually no change in potency.

[prospero]

The doses would be very similar, but 4-HO-DET would be slightly stronger as it is a marginally lighter molecule. Nowadays I completely ignore Shulgin's dose ranges as he seems to look for different things in his drugs from the rest of us. Erowid in my experience is always the one to access for spot-on info in this respect.

[Mezza]

SWIM told me that 4-HO-DET is the least enjoyable of the 4-hydroxylated tryptamines, but still worth doing as it is so visual. It also has the potential for spititual insight, though not as much as psilocybin or 4-HO-MIPT.

[GoaM]

Of the ones mentioned I really love 4ho-dipt. It makes me feel sensual and evil. And music is a blast!! I've been thinking of taking it clubbing. LOL. High energy and fast. I like it.


I missed out on the other trypts. Hopefully I'll be able to try 4ho-mipt. I bet 4ho-DET would go GREAT with 4ho-dipt.

[jaguarangel]

4-HO-DET was SWIM's favorite. Very friendly and positive. 4-HO-MIPT was
good too but less experience.

[jaguarangel]

It seems to be more consistent and positive than mushrooms at 20mgs.

[trptamene]

Please add your experiences with 4-HO-DET here. Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:
Dosage: 35 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: 4 hours

Info about this drug (other than experiences) should be discussed here: Drug info - 4-HO-DET
These documents about 4-HO-DET are in the file archive

When posting a experience, please describe:

• body weight & gender
• dose taken
• route of administration
• Setting: in what environment it was taken.
• duration of main effects
• main effects
• side effects
• after effects
• rating of the experience
• any other valuable information