Visual Chems???

[shaun3416]

I keep hearing about this 2c-t-2 stuff.* Are there any other chemicals that create awesome visuals as would LSD?*Or what drugs come close to these out of reality*visuals?* * Thanks so much, I'm trying to do some research for my professor, yeah it sounds weird, but I'm a grad student studying drugs effects from a psychological perspective and I just want to do the research on myself to get a firsthand knowledge of what occurs during visual hallucinations.* Please help me out ill leave*info on the studies once I'm finished.


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thanks,


shaun*Edited by: BA

[Pinkavvy]

lol

take some lsd it'll change your life.

no sources will be givin to you, as those are protected safely in the belly of the sources forum. lol

seriously, try lsd first. then shrooms. then 2c-e and then 2c-b. 2c-i is ok too. 2ct21 and 7 are ok but not for newbies (for dosing reasons.)

[Nagognog2]

While I can't say I agree or disagree with 'pinks' list of to-do's before 2-CT-2 etc, I do wonder about your use of the word 'hallucination'. When one is under the influence of a psychedelic and sees the walls breathing/melting, and little green men having an orgy in the sugar bowl, one does tend to know these things are not truly occuring in reality. The term 'hallucination' infers that one truly does believe that Martians are procreating in the sucrose supply.


As regards 2-CT-2, it is a very powerful visual psychedelic agent. A hypothetical ingestion of @20mg. is likely - though not certain - to create extreme changes in the visual field of a mescaline type - as first described by Heinrich Kluver in his 1928 work: Mescal and the Mechanisms of Hallucinations. A small tome that first introduced the psychology community to visual psychedelic experiences. Mescaline-type visuals are, by most accounts, different from those elicited by indole-based psychedelics such as LSD25 and psilocybin - for further information on what these differences are I suggest you ask said question specificallyasthe opinionswould fill an entire, long thread with ease! LOL!


In any event these substances, be they indoles or phenethylamine-types like mescaline, are capable of creating strong visual effects of an extraordinary nature. Though not true hallucinations. There are psychoactive substances that can do that as well, but most people stay away from such as they can be so disorienting as to place the user in physical danger. As regards a source - what 'pink' said.

[allyourbase]

try mushrooms first, then LSD, then maybe a natural phenthylamine like mescaline, and then maybe....just maybe....youd be prepared for a synthetic substanceEdited by: allyourbase

[QGdoxl]

There are not only chem out there that will do what you say but plants
too. After you dippedinto the waters of some of the easier ones
ala mushrooms maybee lsd try out some Salvia Divinorum. Different
kind of visuals but still powerfull psychologic drug to say the least.

[korky8097]

never had luck with salvia, even the extract. I guess ive never broken through.

[QGdoxl]

DId you smoke it properly?



use a bong and a torch butane lighter

take as much as you can hold for 30 seconds - hold it for 30 seconds

then do it all over again

if you need to try a third time



note: make sure yo u have enough in the bowl to support the amount of tokes yo u want to take!



have fun

[tryptych]

Salvia is not a "fun" recreational drug that causes "awesome visuals". It is
a seriously powerful drug, on par with DMT and 5-meo-DMT, and should
not be taken lightly, especially not the extract.

[QGdoxl]

I never said it was weak (I only said it was legal) others are
talking 2ct-2 lsd and mushrooms none of which should be taken lightly
either.

[korky8097]

I do all those things, i guess i just never did enough. At the
time i do it, the setting is never very good, noises interupt and stuff
of that nature, im sure if i sat down in a pitch black room and did an
experience properly, i would break through.



Back on topic though, i think what he means by reality visuals is like
seeing actual things. Not like walls melting and breathing,
carpet and objects morphing, or fractal kalidascope images. More
of seeing your poster of a band playing a gig, little green men, and
what the hell a big purple dinasour. You know actual
objects if this makes sense at all. What chem would be good for
this? All this talk reminds me of my Neon tealish colored lion
that visits me when using LSD. Miss that guy.

[mariecurie]

A good dose of DMT is sure to transport you to a world where you will
interact with Terrence McKenna's mechanical elves, but I don't think
DMT is the substance to do if you're just looking to hallucinate.



A ten strip of LSD will definitely play around with reality and I know
in Amsterdam they have mushrooms that will do the same. Mescaline seems
like it could probably do the job quite thoroughly as well.



As far as research chems, I always felt 2C-T-2 was most like MDMA and
not really that visual. The dose curve flattens off rather quickly, in
my opinion. 2C-T-7 seems VERY visual from what Shulgin says and 2C-I
and 2C-B are quite visual as well. I find phenethylamine visuals,
especially those of the 2C-T family, to be of a rather uninteresting
nature though. Everything turns into a pile of soup.



I would recommend traditional chemicals if you really want to trip that
hard because you will have better quality visuals, they are more
time-tested, and the overdose dosages are typically much higher.