Purity - average cocaine quality ?

[vodcavictim]

How is the coke quality these days ?

[sylenth]

ccccccccccrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaapppppppppp! smurf even flew to where you stay to try & find good stuff. same crap as here in sa. smurf has stopped shnarrfing after 10 yrs cos it's so crap. it was'nt easy. the good ol days are gone.

[hippie_lain]

i think the basics are the all the same. stay in the game long enought and you move up to better prices and better quality. swim no longer uses but coke is making a comeback in cali

[Benga]

wrong forum.
moved

it really depends on where and whom. I think the best indicator average would be found in each country's law enforcement cocaine analysis, which does give a rough, average representation of what is going around in major towns.
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[BoxStar]

The average purity level for <10g samples have actually increased from the 1980s, when purity was at around 49% (by weight), prices were extremely high for <2g samples at $544.59 per gram in 1981. Purity slowly increased in the early 80s but sharply declined to 53% in 1985, price for <2g samples was $389.60 per gram in 1985.

From 1986 to 1989 cocaine purity increased rapidly from 62% in 1986 to the all-time high of 74% in 1988, over 70% purity sustained for 3 years, it could be said that was the apex of the golden age of coke in the United States, prices dropped during these years from $296.94 in 1986 per gram to $189.92 in 1989 per gram (2g samples).

During most of the 90s purity levels went from a low of 58% to a max of 69%, although very irregular, unpredictable and badly cut but cheap compared to the 80s, prices slowly declined to contemporary prices (I guess, coke lost the “glamour” it never had to begin with).

Note: Price data is adjusted to 2002 dollars per pure gram.

It the last few years Cocaine purity has reached an all-time high with an average purity of around 70% to 75%, although it has fallen sharply lately to about 60%; In Europe purity levels average 55% to 70% depending on nation, Spain for example is one of the largest entry points for Cocaine (together with Portugal and the Netherlands), Spain leads in the EU with the highest level of cocaine seizures, but still has around 60% to 70% pure blow and cheap too. Spain is the country with the highest rate of cocaine usage (3.0% of Adults) in the world, followed by the United States (2.8% of Adults), of course there is a lot more people in the USA (300m) than Spain (45m) which creates a far larger market.

But people still bitch to no-end about poor quality coke and there is some truth to it, cutting agents have changed for worse, even the whole production process is rushed leaving impurities thanks to the huge pressure the War on Drugs puts on producers., but the facts are that coke has never been “good”, and in the last 30 years, little has changed in the big picture.

Now add the scoundrel mid-low dealers (not all dealers are scoundrels but unfortunately a about one third are) that will “cut” the product with god knows what to the point its 30% pure with some luck, then their “coke” burns in the nostrils for 5 minutes like if it were speed/meth, has a horrible drip and very little local anesthesia, whatever that shit may be, is not coke, SWIM knows this does happen and recommends finding a better connection.

Going back to “good coke” even all the way back to the 1970s Cocaine was heavily cut with stuff such as Inositol, Mannitol, Sodium Bicarbonate, Lactose and average purity was low and constantly fluctuating, in the range 10% to 70%, although better than the description SWIM gave above it is still quite crappy.

In 1978, the United States was seizing kilos of cocaine with average purity of 12%, in fact the supposed “golden years” of cocaine use in the United States (late 70s, early 80s) were the same years were purity in the market was below 30%.

The Netherlands: Cocaine Purity (%): Amsterdam (1996) - Range
Point of Import: 80% to 98% (Kilos)
Retail: 50% to 80% (Grams)
Street: 30% to 60% (200mg - Small Plastic Bags)

After Spain, The Netherlands is the second point of entry for Cocaine into Europe; during the past 15 years it has experienced very stable levels of purity caused mostly by a highly competitive market where selling bad product is a really bad idea.

The Netherlands: Cocaine Purity (%) – User/Retail Level (2004) - Average
Samples supplied by potential users to care institutions/monitoring system: 56.2%
Seizures by security at discotheques and clubs/monitoring system: 43.5%

Note: Sources for the data presented come from various governments and international organizations.
Moderator: Could SWIM quote price ranges for the given years/purity or it would be against the rules?

[Raz]

I believe that Netherlands had an average purity (according to the testing centers) of about 50 % in 06.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by BoxStar

Moderator: Could SWIM quote price ranges for the given years/purity or it would be against the rules?

what would be against the rules would be starting a discussion of current price ranges, but for past periods, and as long as these are actually averages supported by actual studies, this info would be placing things in a historical perspective, which is fine. law enforcement and research on illicit drugs often give out such averages anyway.
just avoid recent periods, for which we have / should have the drug-price calculator.

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[fiveleggedrat]

In Florida: Bad.

The way Swim sees it is like this. Say there are 20 cocaine dealers in a city. They all get from around 10 suppliers. Only about 1 or 2 dealers will actually have what we all call "good" product. It REALLY is just "Who you know". At the same time, knowing more dealers and such folk is dangerous. Down in Florida, a lot of people will kill you for working in their area, whether you do so knowingly or not. Swim's first dealer was murdered by his brother recently over such an issue. Shot in the face.

Most dealers are scum. Most low level suppliers are scum. It is the top suppliers, the people who get it in the country/city/whatever that have good things.

Swim has actually bought ounces from Cubans/Columbians (both known around here for good product) that were cut with creatine, and get this: ground up acetaminophen pills.

Go figure.

[BoxStar]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

In Florida: Bad.

The way Swim sees it is like this. Say there are 20 cocaine dealers in a city. They all get from around 10 suppliers. Only about 1 or 2 dealers will actually have what we all call "good" product. It REALLY is just "Who you know". At the same time, knowing more dealers and such folk is dangerous. Down in Florida, a lot of people will kill you for working in their area, whether you do so knowingly or not. Swim's first dealer was murdered by his brother recently over such an issue. Shot in the face.

Most dealers are scum. Most low level suppliers are scum. It is the top suppliers, the people who get it in the country/city/whatever that have good things.

Swim has actually bought ounces from Cubans/Columbians (both known around here for good product) that were cut with creatine, and get this: ground up acetaminophen pills.

Go figure.

SWIM thinks one problem is the spread of the “crack dealer” mentality/stereotype everywhere, out-of-control violence being the most common “side effect”.

Most dealers like SWIM said in his previous post, market product that is total crap.

The cuts are a huge problem; SWIM has seen coke being cut with powder made from some sort of white suppository, it’s outrageous that they can’t even get some sugar and baking soda and do it properly.

That is why is so important to find a good connection, it’s the only way to do coke, otherwise is a waste of money.

[sylenth]

after having alot of cash to live & party like rock stars, knowing alot of dealers who had good stuff it all went bad everywhere with all of them. in all areas north south east west. eventually the cash being wasted got to smurfs & decided that was it. so it seems sa's main suppliers are getting crap or it's been cut by them to shit. but it does'nt make sense of them doing that. cos they just turning everyone away from buying it. who knows. smurf has read forums with tourists buying 'coke' but it's mainly been amphetamines in columbia.

[BoxStar]

Originally Posted by sylenth

after having alot of cash to live & party like rock stars, knowing alot of dealers who had good stuff it all went bad everywhere with all of them. in all areas north south east west. eventually the cash being wasted got to smurfs & decided that was it. so it seems sa's main suppliers are getting crap or it's been cut by them to shit. but it does'nt make sense of them doing that. cos they just turning everyone away from buying it. who knows. smurf has read forums with tourists buying 'coke' but it's mainly been amphetamines in columbia.

SWIM has read that crystal meth is quite popular in South Africa, maybe is moving coke out of the way.

[sylenth]

boxstar. qoute:SWIM has read that crystal meth is quite popular in South Africa, maybe is moving coke out of the way.

that's one of the big reasons we have thought of too. it's cheap n africa is poor. amphetamines are popular here.

pity us quality sluts haved to suffer for the masses. that's life.

3rd world country is not fun.

it's torture after having mind blowing quality a few years ago, to have nothing good.

[BoxStar]

According to one report from the United States SWIM just read from the year 2003, the purity ranges for all quantities is 60% to 80%, it also notes that there is actually less cutting along the chain, especially at the higher levels (1k-100g), this is a national average.

Theoretically lab monkeys in the USA should be getting really good product, which suggest that the problem is at the street level, where violent street gangs have taken over the retail sales and they are cutting coke with crap and their very-profit friendly business model has expanded across the board.

[sylenth]

greed is a problem added in the equation of all this. wish it could be simple like these lucky alcoholics who walk into a liqour store & know they buying the same bottle of rum for many years to come.

[vantranist]

thats crazy... in Socal expect 20%-50% max

[ketaminesx69]

swim is from australia, swim knows of only one person who is trustworthy. swim knows for his own eyes that the coke was 85-90% pure. swim thinks that is the best in australia atm.

[BoxStar]

Originally Posted by ketaminesx69

swim is from australia, swim knows of only one person who is trustworthy. swim knows for his own eyes that the coke was 85-90% pure. swim thinks that is the best in australia atm.

Getting 85-90% pure product is quite an achievement.

SWIM has read several times that the price in Australia and New Zealand is very high compared to the United States and Europe, could SWIY comment on the matter without giving any actual prices? Just for general informative proposes.

[Benga]

sounds difficult, but percentages are OK, 20% more expensive etc...


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Thanks for the help and info with price rules.

[BoxStar]

Originally Posted by Benga

sounds difficult, but percentages are OK, 20% more expensive etc...
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A simple answer like “yes, its more expensive compared to average prices in the USA and Europe” would be more than enough, no need to post any specific info, price, percentage etc.

SWIM has read in pretty much every international report that prices in Australia and New Zealand are very high, he is just looking for an on-the-street confirmation.

SWIM will be obtaining purity info from some South American country located between Panama and Chile, he should be getting them today, but most likely next week, once he gets them he will post them.

[epote]

Getting 85-90% pure product is quite an achievement

thats nigh imposible, at best one gets 70-75% purity and thats if sitting right out of a colombian crystall lab...

the lack of use of KmNO4 and the adition of lidocaine during crystalization are VERY strong profit motivators...

[calmurphy17]

the quality where swim lives (scotland) has always been pretty good to be honest as long as your not a fool and asking to be ripped off,as long as swiy knows 'the right people' then its always good product and no-one sells powder,even if its just a gram, then you get it on the rock and have to crush it yourself.and has been for like this for years,the price here has been the same also for a long long time and swim do believe that it is lower than what a lot of the UK are paying anyway,also there is someone else swim knows that is now selling at an even cheaper price again per gram and its still on the rock and of high quality (think along the the lines of a gram for a little above half the usual £) or pm me for price discussion.jeez swim hopes he havent broke any rules in all that,moderator could possibly advise me?

Another thing is if the quality is really decreasing and all maybe its basically a repeat of what happened to the ecstacy pill market,they used to be expensive and uncut and over time purity dropped along with price until nowadays they practically cost pennies and have little effect.the kind of people who were into that sort of thing turned to mdma crystal because it was a good pure product again (incidentally i love molly but cant get it for love nor money round here) So maybe crack is the logical 'new' cocaine in the same way mdma crystal has took over the pill market? what do you swimmers think? and is it just me or is crack totally over rated, iv smoked quite a lot and i means its alright but well you know...

[BoxStar]

Originally Posted by epote

thats nigh imposible, at best one gets 70-75% purity and thats if sitting right out of a colombian crystall lab...

the lack of use of KmNO4 and the adition of lidocaine during crystalization are VERY strong profit motivators...

Not every lab produces crap, SWIM has been there to see, some labs produce stuff that is not even 75% pure which is usually the result of bad processing, surprisingly most of the time this is due lack of skill and/or proper equipment/precursors and not greed, labs and the groups that control them actually make more money when the product is better, since the buyers of their product test it and the price varies depending on purity.

But there are labs that produce 95%+ pure product; there is no absolutely pure product because the low-tech nature of the process even in the best labs assures that impurities will be in the finished product.

Seizures of KmNO4 remain very high in Colombia, Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador so it can be said that it still widely used and the cutting with lidocaine happens a lot further down the food chain, usually because the previous greedy handler cut it too much with inactive chemicals so to restore the local anesthetic effect of cocaine, lidocaine is added to trick customers.

[piuiher]

Yes I do believe KMnO4 is still used in Colombia in large scale operations. I believe it's avoided in Bolivia and Peru for small scale labs.

[BoxStar]

SWIM finally received the data from Ecuador; a friend of a friend of SWIM analyzed several street samples and found that the average purity is about 70-80% at street retail level, the most common cutting agent is baking soda, no active adulterants were found and every sample had impurities left from the manufacturing process, obviously kilo-weight samples were not available for testing, but government papers say that intercepted cocaine “bricks” average over 90% purity.

The only 5g sample that was analyzed, procured from a reliable source was 87% pure, impurities were mainly baking soda and a bit of dextrose (sugar).

In general it could be said that coke is of good quality in Ecuador, even at the lowest levels (200mg small bags) purity is good and it’s quite cheap.

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Good info

[sylenth]

thanx for this. that is a damm nice high purity rate. a holiday there would be great.