how to detox WITHOUT any physical WD and without opiate assisstance

[frankz81]

i thought i would share this as it is a unique process to my dr by the looks of things...basically:

i was on methadone 130mgs at the time i went into hospital for a detox.my dr said not to have my dose that day so i didnt.by the noon i was having mild wd's but was confident in my drs method...the method is:

a subcutaneous injection setup in my torso delivering me 200 mgs of ketamine/ketelar over a 6hr period.
i know about ketamine being used recreationally and all that but:
it is an anaesthetic and for the whole 8 days in hospital i felt no wd's AT ALL!!i have had severe wd's so i know all about it...
the amount of ketamine i had is determined in hours,ie how many hours it takes for the syringe driver to deliver 200mgs, i started at 12 hours then after a day down to 6hrs.
my dr also gave me alot of vitamin c which helps the body get rid of methadone along with xanax to help things along..
i might also add that ketamine resets your receptors as my dr told me, and it really has as b4 detox 300mgs of codeine did nothing, now and immediately after hospital 15mgs is ample for moderate pain.
the whole time i basically felt like i was on the verge of being drunk, was a very weird feeling but definately was not in any physical discomfort.

i had to get the nurses to switch the injection site as it became inflammed very quickly and the first site felt like there was a cricket ball lodged under my skin, was very very painful so from there on i had the sites relocated often...

has any1 else heard of or seen this method??
i can tell u now that it wasnt just me it worked with, there was a heroin addict and a oxy/morphine addict in the same section undergoing the same process and i spoke with both of them and neither were in physical discomfort...fyi the lady on morphine was on 130 x 100mgs of kapanol per day!! yes 13,000 mgs per day morphine!!! she was pretty screwed up from a car accident tho and did the detox not to get off, but to drop her tolerance down so she would only need less than a 10th of the amount.

i must add i didnt know of the ketamine b4 my dr explained the process, once i knew it was being used i researched it and found out its effects.
besides experiencing a k hole which would require the whole 200mgs in one hit, i pretty much had all the other effects from it like hallucinating,feeling of overwhelming strength etc etc and for 8 days straight

in my opinion , the best way of rapid detoxing i have seen/heard of and the most effective of ridding an addiction and tolerance..

please dont knock this method and rant on about how subs are the best unless u have experienced it or know of a better way first hand...

[infekt]

That sounds cool. Swim has read things about Ketamine and its use in opiate addiction...anybody know why this method is so uncommon?

[frankz81]

probably cos its used in 'vets' or the fact it is popular undergroud...if it became recognised over in the UK can u imagine how many people would say they are on h or methadone just to udergo this process??

although u wont have any probs if u dont have opiates in ur system, but imagine the amounts that would abuse the system

[allyourbase]

ketamine and other dissaciatives have been shown to have behavior and (negative)cognitive effects. perhaps the decreased cognition allows for some relearning process vis a vis the user, the user's present reality, and the reality the user escapes in to while using.

swim is in no way trying to denegrate the understandable impulse for a little variation, be it in one's reality, surroundings, or perception of reality.

[frankz81]

has anyone been on narcs, and while on them taken k and noticed they didnt feel like a narc?or didnt have the need to?

[sarbanes]

Originally Posted by frankz81

i thought i would share this as it is a unique process to my dr by the looks of things...basically:

i was on methadone 130mgs at the time i went into hospital for a detox.my dr said not to have my dose that day so i didnt.by the noon i was having mild wd's but was confident in my drs method...the method is:

a subcutaneous injection setup in my torso delivering me 200 mgs of ketamine/ketelar over a 6hr period.
i know about ketamine being used recreationally and all that but:
it is an anaesthetic and for the whole 8 days in hospital i felt no wd's AT ALL!!i have had severe wd's so i know all about it...
the amount of ketamine i had is determined in hours,ie how many hours it takes for the syringe driver to deliver 200mgs, i started at 12 hours then after a day down to 6hrs.
my dr also gave me alot of vitamin c which helps the body get rid of methadone along with xanax to help things along..
i might also add that ketamine resets your receptors as my dr told me, and it really has as b4 detox 300mgs of codeine did nothing, now and immediately after hospital 15mgs is ample for moderate pain.
the whole time i basically felt like i was on the verge of being drunk, was a very weird feeling but definately was not in any physical discomfort.

i had to get the nurses to switch the injection site as it became inflammed very quickly and the first site felt like there was a cricket ball lodged under my skin, was very very painful so from there on i had the sites relocated often...

has any1 else heard of or seen this method??
i can tell u now that it wasnt just me it worked with, there was a heroin addict and a oxy/morphine addict in the same section undergoing the same process and i spoke with both of them and neither were in physical discomfort...fyi the lady on morphine was on 130 x 100mgs of kapanol per day!! yes 13,000 mgs per day morphine!!! she was pretty screwed up from a car accident tho and did the detox not to get off, but to drop her tolerance down so she would only need less than a 10th of the amount.

i must add i didnt know of the ketamine b4 my dr explained the process, once i knew it was being used i researched it and found out its effects.
besides experiencing a k hole which would require the whole 200mgs in one hit, i pretty much had all the other effects from it like hallucinating,feeling of overwhelming strength etc etc and for 8 days straight

in my opinion , the best way of rapid detoxing i have seen/heard of and the most effective of ridding an addiction and tolerance..

please dont knock this method and rant on about how subs are the best unless u have experienced it or know of a better way first hand...

This isn't really WD'ing without opioid assistance, as ketamine is an opioid agonist.

[drug-bot]

swim found the dissacociative dxm didnt do anything to help aleviate heroin withdrawl so he's skeptical of ketamine would be of any real use, other than a possible improved outlook during withdrawls.

swim found this online-
Treatment of addiction

The Russian doctor Evgeny Krupitsky (Clinical Director of Research for the Saint Petersburg Regional Center for Research in Addiction and Psychopharmacology) has gained encouraging results by using ketamine as part of a treatment for alcohol addiction which combines psychedelic and aversive techniques.[34][35] This method involved psychotherapy, controlled ketamine use and group therapy, and resulted in 60 of the 86 alcoholic males selected for the study remaining fully abstinent through one year of treatment. He has also treated heroin addicts and reached the conclusion that one ketamine-assisted psychotherapy session was significantly more effective than active placebo in promoting abstinence from heroin during one year without any adverse reactions. In a recently published study 59 detoxified inpatients with heroin dependence received a ketamine-assisted psychotherapy (KPT) session prior to their discharge from an addiction treatment hospital, and were then randomized into two treatment groups.
Participants in the first group received two addiction counseling sessions followed by two KPT sessions, (with a single im injection of 2 mg/kg ketamine) with sessions scheduled on a monthly interval (multiple KPT group). Participants in the second group received two addiction counseling sessions on a monthly interval, but no additional ketamine therapy sessions (single KPT group). At one-year follow-up, survival analysis demonstrated a significantly higher rate of abstinence in the multiple KPT group. Thirteen out of 26 subjects (50%) in the multiple KPT group remained abstinent, compared to 6 out of 27 subjects (22.2%) in the single KPT group (p < 0.05). No differences between groups were found in depression, anxiety, craving for heroin, or their understanding of the meaning of their lives. It was concluded that three sessions of ketamine-assisted psychotherapy are more effective than a single session for the treatment of heroin addiction.[36][37]

[OpiateWarrior]

Wow, swim has looked into all sorts of methods of methadone detox. Swim has never heard of this before, but is definitely impressed. Will talk to swim's Dr about this also, still at 78ml a day though so will wait till swim's down on a much lower daily dose. Swim's problem is he wds for months on end for some reason, just hope something works for swim as well as it did for swiy cos swim hasn't touched H for 11 months, and has finally grown out of it after 11yr.

[sarbanes]

Sounds like ketamine is very promising...just remember for you purists, ketamine is an opioid, and activates the mU receptors (just like morphine), but to much less an extent. I guess its the natural amt time it takes for your body to WD dictates (to a certain limit) the length of the treatement. Wondering weather using with accelerated WD might work too? Like higher dose naltrexone and heavily sedated and heavily buzzed under ketamine? Ketamine is not only NMDA antagonist, but basically a general anasthetic. Instead of being Dr. Waismanns 8 hour accelerated (naltrexone induced WD), and propofol general anasthesia, you are under a type of dicassoiative general anasthesia as your body naturally detoxes. Plus the added benefit of the NMDA, and euphoriant effects from the ketamine. MY GUT tells me the ketamine procedure would be superior (to Dr. WaisAss's) in almost every way (except for length of time).