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Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
Posted: July 15, 2008 Dr. R. Andrew Chambers is an assistant professor of psychiatry at the Indiana University School of Medicine. Question: Do mental illnesses and cigarette addiction go hand in hand? Answer: That's correct. One recent study documents that up to 50 percent of cigarettes are smoked by people with some form of mental illness. This includes schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depression, anxiety disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, borderline personality disorder. In the general population, the smoking rate is between 20 and 25 percent, depending on where you live. In schizophrenia, the smoking rate is 75 to 90 percent. Alcoholism is about 80 percent. Bipolar disorder is 60 to 70 percent, and major depression is 40 to 50 percent. Q: Why is there a link between smoking and nicotine addiction? A: The traditional theory is that people are self-medicating and they're receiving some kind of benefit from the nicotine. There is evidence out there that nicotine in certain circumstances does have cognitive-enhancing effects or might be a modulator of mood or anxiety. Another theory is that people with mental illness are more susceptible to the disease of addiction. There's quite good evidence for that because you also see addictions with many other drugs, such as cannabis, cocaine and alcohol. It may be that nicotine is just a not-so-unique example of a broader picture. There's a third cutting-edge perspective that nicotine can change the brain, especially in adolescents. In 90 percent of smokers, smoking begins between 15 and 25, when the brain is undergoing a lot of changes. Nicotine exposure in that period can change the brain chemistry in a way that may make you more susceptible to mental illness. Q: So are different smoking cessation methods recommended for the mentally ill? A: That is being looked at. Self-medication is the most popular theory, but ironically the least validated. If you label it self-medication, the label does not acknowledge that they're addicted, and when clinicians go along with that, they're sort of rationalizing the drug use. The cultures of mental health care and addiction-ology are segregated. That creates huge problems. Most of our patients who need mental health care have an addiction of some kind. Yet we have an amazing inability to effectively treat those addictions. Chantix, the newest drug for smoking addiction, appears to be very effective. When that drug was developed, the trials excluded people with mental illness. It got approved and the drug shows efficacy, but now we're finding out this drug has all kinds of implications for people with mental illness. What I'm arguing for is for psychiatrists to be trained in addiction. But that's a long way off. http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../1300/LIVING25 |
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
Nicotine also induces CYP3A4 enzymatic pathways, so that butyrophenone neuroleptics are faster metabolized and I don't know of anyone who likes this sort of medication.
Also, nicotine, as the short Dopamine-push it provides, might be used for learning and therefor by intelligent people, e.g. Wernherr von Braun or others, who where heavy smkokers, among with the widespread use of cigarettes in the general population, this is some far-fetched statement, that had to be validated, among any other thesis of psychiatry, like genetic predeposition, etc. , it's just all more assumption, than science, much more, than in any other medical field. Sounds like penis-envy from sides of the psychiatrist, imho. and -to add a little more to those speculation, what were the consequences of takin' this (smoking as a co-morbidity to mental illness) as a, more-or-less, valid assumption? I. It was just another far-fetched symptom to validate a maybe far-fetched illness, and even a very often found habit in the general public. II. Smoking cigarettes is something legal to do, so they don't have to rely on illegal activities, like smoking cannabis was illegal and going about an legal issue was itself a sign of mental illness, along with some mind-alterning effect. Conclusion: Taken together, those approaches to validify mental deseases are becoming more and more a danger to the civil rights of selfdetermination and the uniqueness of an individuum in its right to differ from the mainstream; the practice of psychiatry and psychology are such, that, already, it's very easy to diagnose nearly any human with a mental desease; and all that, on grounds of half-assed assessments of individual habits, that might fail to relate those habits to the lifestyle and forcing enviromental causes, which led the individuum take-on to those habits, to compensate for its own lifestyle in this society and the sanity's sake of its nature in it. What's next? -excessive sporting, which is not soccer? Being not obese? Being without a job? Not drinkiong red wine every forthnight? Selfmedication? Society is approaching the latter conclusions, thanks to psychiatry, in huge steps and it's us all to see the inevitable danger, that emerges from the "issue" psychiatry and its ways of diagnosing. The worst thing one can do to a human life, imho, is commanding societies' institutions to help humans, when there's absolutely nothing to "help," on basis of numerous half-validated symptoms, in the delusion the mere flood of questionable diagnostic sings were making them more valid and trustworthier, but which are all far away from the duty of very exact conventional scientific validation, which are only valid when the very same results have been achieved by any other scientific third party around the world under the same conditions. (Ever heard i.e. Shulgin, stating; "the meltingpoint is 15°C off, but I declare it's the correct substance, because other signs are just the same measure off, like those 15° in m.p.?) The line between helping and dictature becomes then non-existant. Last edited by stoneinfocus; 15-07-2008 at 15:46. |
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
Looks like another bullshit article from a doctor who sucks at being a doctor.
Is this even a real question? Asking why smoking leads to a nicotine addiction? Come on, we're told in elementary school why smoking is addictive. Quote:
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
You always hear those in the state loony bin are chronic smokers. Many a man doing the "Thorazine Shuffle" will have hands stained from cigarette smoke. Perhaps (because) it is one of the few vice allowed them (alcohol certainly not allowed). Just like in NA meeting, it is the one thing allowed. Maybe that factors into the association as well, but more on an environmental level.
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On second thought, I guess professional psychologists have defined so many types of mental illnesses and have defined them so broadly that easily 50% or more of the general population can be considered to have "some form of mental illness". So he may in fact be technically correct, but in this case, it's a meaningless statement. |
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That asshole in the video blocked me because I kept calling him out on his bullshit, but he has a point in this one. |
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
anyone been to a public psyche ward here? swim has been once...upwards of 80% of patients were smokers...when they were able to that is
lostmente added 9 Minutes and 11 Seconds later... having a form of mental illness requires diagnosis, this requires doing something to get a diagnosis (either forced or voluntary..) granted the number of people put on SSRI's is outrageous...it certainly works...but mostly in a capacity sense so its up to the patient to work with that new capacity...if they fill it with the same bullshit that got them there in the first place then yeah it becomes systemic Last edited by lostmente; 17-07-2008 at 03:46. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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Come to think of it, my friend, who was a bouncer at a night club, did say something to the effect of "all smokers are heat bags". By that he meant that people smoking outside of the club were always sketchy people that one would expect to cause trouble or be loud and obnoxious. Mental illness would sure explain his observations.
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I stumbled across an article that was too funny not to share, and it sort of relates to this!
Encyclopedia Dramatica - Abnormal Psychology Quote:
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
Interesting find/read man thanks.
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Not so much as a smirk--he truly believed what I threw out as a joke! There might be exceptions, but MDs, as a class, are almost incapable of self-critical reflection, esp. whan the person asking that they do so lacks an MD himself. |
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
Makes sense to me that cig smokers are self-medicating in the same way mentally ill cannabis smokers are. Nicotine does have cognitive benefits and anecdotal evidence suggests that schizophrenics find it helpful.
I notice that doctors and researchers seem to have become more eager to prostitute their professional reputations to sensationalist claims about drugs. I can only assume that they believe we are so stupid that we need to have the truth simplified, exaggerated and then spoon-fed to us in unequivocal headlines. |
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Which is a kind of flawed itself, isn't dopamine supposed to exaggerate the symptoms of mental illnesses, like shizophrenia, so actually one had to say cigarette smoking causes mental illnesses?
*LMAO* at Mr. Giraffe, bcubed and ShawnD ![]() stoneinfocus added 11 Minutes and 14 Seconds later... Quote:
Last edited by stoneinfocus; 07-08-2008 at 16:20. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
obviously there's going to be a link. Cigarettes are used as a quick way to relax, and anyone who's going to have some kind of anxiaty, is going to be prone to the quick fix smoking gives. It's really not that scientific.
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
Apparently, this is the gist of what some researchers from Toronto, published in the Journal of Molecular Psychiatry:
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Most people take drugs until they reach a certain level of satisfaction, such as me drinking 2 beers, or a friend smoking 1 cigarette. Drinking 10 beers would be too many, and smoking 5 cigarettes would be too many. People with clinical depression will need more drugs to get the same level of satisfaction, such as alcoholics, cocaine addicts, chain smokers, etc. When someone is given dopamine antagonizing drugs, it will obviously take a lot more drugs to get the same reward from a dopamine boosting activity. For a schizophrenic taking Seroquel, this means smoking 5 cigarettes at once instead of just 1. If you want more information about how this works, try googling things that are related to depression, drug abuse, or alcoholism; use those specific terms. |
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
SWIMs a psychiatric nurse and can vouch for this, perhaps more even than 80%. SWIM has also been a patient in a psych ward and is a non-smoker. She started smoking roll ups as she wanted a joint to chill but had no access to weed at the time. There was also NOTHING to do all day so at least this was SOMETHING to do.
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
shawnD, that's not what they're referring to...sorry, I took the liberty to edit down the actual article, but I did so, apparently, at the expense of the article's content.
I'll have to find the original to re-quote exactly, but what the researchers found is that cigarette smoking has both POSITIVE effects (rewards) and NEGATIVE effects, mentally...their hypothesis was, essentially, that in people who take anti-psychotics (anti-dopamine drugs), the effect with regard to cigarette smoking is that the NEGATIVE effects of nicotine were BLOCKED!!! See?? I'm not sure about the validity of this conclusion...but I do know that there is definitely a known association between the looney-bin and cigarettes... MY APOLOGY IN ADVANCE FOR QUOTING HERESAY-->i know a nurse practitioner who SWEARS that nicotine is a self-medication tool that allows schizophrenics to regulate their own dopamine excess...i don't know the exact mechanism, but maybe it was MAGIC! no. seriously...we should look this up. |
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So the "Schizophrenic-Brain" model is the Rat-In-Cage that keeps pulling the lever for the banana. There is no downside to the nicotine's effect on the dopamine-centers. Just continuous pleasurable stimuli involved.
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
Panthers--yeah, that's how I interpret it....and it would certainly explain the continuous pattern of asking any and all healthcare workers, "hey man, give me a cigarette...i know you have some."
Some Cigarette/Smoking and Schizophrenia Findings: --abnormal electro-physiological and eye-tracking deficits can be normalized by cigarette smoking or nicotine administration (Olincy et al. 1998). --Smoking, at least partially, alleviates neuroleptic-induced extra-pyramidal side effects (Sandyk 1993). --Nicotine increases the metabolism of haloperidol (Haldol), requiring patients that smoke to take higher doses than non-smoking schizophrenics, often further increasing their smoking behavior (McEvoy et al. 1995). Interestingly, clozapine, which does not induce the motor dysfunctions (extrapyramidal effects) seen with typical neuroleptics, clozapine actually reduces smoking behavior and normalizes the electrophysiological deficit in schizophrenics (Nagamoto et al. 1996). Quote:
Interestingly they mention nicotine's effect on GABA transmission, only in the last paragraph...GABA is an inhibitory neurotransmitter. i.e. GHB is a metabolic product of GABA, & benzodiazepines have an overall GABA-effect. Here's something to consider...if the nicotine-supplemented brain, while resting (i.e. between cigarettes) had an enhanced GABA flow, this would lead to a calmer, relaxed thought-stream... I imagine this would be a welcome addition to any schizo's day. -DICK
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Re: Mental illness linked to cigarette addiction
There probably is some type of link between cigarette smoking and mental illness. But to suggest that mental illness is the main factor in determining whether someone smokes or not is erroneous. The main factor in determining whether someone smokes is the culture in which he lives.
The U.S. used to have a much higher percentage of smokers than it does now. Does this mean that mental illness levels in the U.S. have dramatically declined? Of course not. It just means that the culture changed. In many countries today, particularly developing countries, there is still a very high percentage of the population who smoke. Does this mean that these countries have much higher levels of mental illness than the U.S.? No, it primarily means that smoking is viewed differently in these countries. That's why it's ridiculous to say that, "up to 50 percent of cigarettes are smoked by people with some form of mental illness," as stated in the article above. |
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