USA - Random student drug tests to begin

[chillinwill]

From: http://www.themoreheadnews.com/local...193125002.html

The Rowan County School District is one of almost 50 school districts across the nation to receive a grant from the U.S. Department of Education’s Safe and Drug Free School Program to fund random student drug testing at the middle school and high school levels.

School districts in 20 states will be sharing in nearly $5.8 million in grants designed to assist schools in discouraging and preventing further substance use and abuse. Rowan County Middle School and Rowan County Senior High School will be joining with more than 4,000 schools nationwide that have implemented a random student drug testing program to promote a healthy learning environment.

The grant, totaling $96,753, will cover 100 percent of the total costs of the program, including hiring a certified medical laboratory to conduct the random drug tests. Sixth through twelfth grade students who actively participate in competitive extra-curricular activities or who voluntarily enroll in the program will be randomly selected for drug testing. Representatives with the laboratory will work closely with the Rowan County Schools Drug Testing Coordinator. No test results will be shared with school personnel.

The Student Drug Testing Policy, which was put in place by the Rowan County school board, is intended to encourage students to refrain from substance use and abuse. Should a student test positive, a referral will be made for counseling and an early intervention program. For any subsequent positive test results, varying lengths of suspension from extracurricular activities will occur.

“With this student drug testing policy and grant, we are working to ensure that all our students are in a healthy drug-free academic and athletic environment,” said Tom Daugherty, Assistant Superintendent for Rowan County Schools. “The peer pressure that middle school and high school students across the state and the nation experience is tremendous. With this policy, we are giving our students a tool to resist peer pressure to use drugs.”

The first of three public forums has been scheduled for Thursday, July 17 at the Rowan County Senior High School Performing Arts Center beginning at 5:30 p.m. These forums will allow parents, students, and administrators to discuss the Student Drug Testing Policy, the testing procedures, and the grant.

[El Calico Loco]

One more reason not to send one's children to the government propaganda factories.


ECL

[Panthers007]

Originally Posted by El Calico Loco

One more reason not to send one's children to the government propaganda factories.


ECL

Hear! Hear! Get those kids out of there.

[Lobsang]

Originally Posted by El Calico Loco

One more reason not to send one's children to the government propaganda factories.


ECL

Yes fuck the schools. SWIM got to a point where he simply refused to go to school. On no uncertain terms. As soon as he was 16 he took the GED and went to community college and then 4 year coolege and then graduate school. You see the school system told SWIM's parents he was dull and incapable of doing the work and ever going to college. When SWIM's father heard that he was furious and had SWIM tested. When the scool saw the test results they were very embarased. The school for a while used to make SWIM's parents come in to meet with the school psychologist. Well SWIM's father who was a physician refused to go to the meetings any more because the school psychologist simply wanted to talk about his own personal problems as a child. SWIM remembers his father saying that the school psychologics was a "very disturbed man".

I think maybe in SWIM's day things were even more fucked up than now in some ways. The woodshop teacher would line all the boys up and paddle them with a wooden paddle in front of each other. In 7th grade the gym teacher would line all the boys up with no cloths on before they ran through the shower and yell at them for like 10 minutes. What the fuck was the purpose of that? I think we know.

And also there was this one lady teacher that would get a kid if he was "bad" and bring him in front of the class and have him get in push up position on the ground and put a big wet blackboard sponge under his crotch. The kid had to hold the pushup position as a punishment. If the kid's arms gave out he would fall on the sponge and all the kids would laugh because he looked like he wet his pants. It was totally fucked up.

So now maybe teachers would not get away with the kind of abuse in SWIM's time. However now the abuse is just in a different form. Human rights.

The school system did nothing for SWIM but damage. However it was a good place to find drugs.

We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

"Wrong, Do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"

[El Calico Loco]

Originally Posted by Lobsang

Well SWIM's father who was a physician refused to go to the meetings any more because the school psychologist simply wanted to talk about his own personal problems as a child. SWIM remembers his father saying that the school psychologics was a "very disturbed man".

Disturbed people often major in psychology in order to understand why they are fucked up. Some make it all the way through and still don't understand.


ECL

[JaWill88]

hmm swim could imagine kids all of the sudden not wanting to partake in extra cirricular activites anymore and other things. thats too bad, kids should not feel like they should not participate just because of what they do outside of school. swim believe extra cirricular activities can be very good for their health, mentally and physically.

[ShawnD]

Originally Posted by JaWill88

hmm swim could imagine kids all of the sudden not wanting to partake in extra cirricular activites anymore and other things. thats too bad, kids should not feel like they should not participate just because of what they do outside of school. swim believe extra cirricular activities can be very good for their health, mentally and physically.

I agree with this. What kind of crackhead school administrator thinks it's a good idea to discourage students from being part of school activities like organized sports?

Either that, or it was an unintentional mistake; possibly because the person thinking of the policy has severe psychological problems.
"Choosing between social activity with my peers, or to play football? As a schizophrenic with antisocial personality disorder, I would pick football, and I think the kids will too."

[AquafinaOrbit]

Great news! Spend money on infringing rights rather then educating students, man I love it. I am sure these test are going to stop tons of people from doing drugs to, simply from the fear of it all.

[Panthers007]

But they are getting an education - at the least the intelligent one's are. But not what the schools had bargained on. Revolution, anyone?

[Milk man]

I got a call today from the district saying they are having a hearing on random STUDENT drug tests. They want to get parent input and they said they would look into adding it to the school if funding becomes available. They are currently doing this in a nearby school, although I haven't really heard much about it. And I don't think it is just in sports now, they want your piss for just being a student too! While I will not be in school when/if this goes into effect(probably will go into effect 09-10) and I am drug-free because drugs are illegal and I wouldn't do something illegal. If kids want to stop doing drugs and then you tell them that if it looks like you do drugs a.k.a. "random drug tests" then your going to piss test them, they will just stop going to school...


EDIT: I found the memo on the website and it appears it is only for sports....

[discjunkie313]

thats nuts..if todays schools are anything like swidj's schools(i'm sure they are worse considering all the new and crazy designers there are now)..then school district better plan on suspending 3/4 of the school..with the exception of the drugs are bad groups(which there are not many,lol) the goody goodies are definitely outnumbered..swidj cant imagine pissin in a cup at school..why dont they just give all students striped suits and numbers..better yet..a tracking device in thier skulls..rediculous-DJ

[AntiAimer]

Yeah drug test the students while they have teachers that do not teach, there only there for a paycheck. Which is the biggest problem at ANY school you go to, out of the whole school there's only 1 maybe 2 outstanding teachers who actually want to TEACH and make it fun having there students actually respect them and learn. They do not just sit there reading out of a book, putting you down because there ignorant and they want to profile you by the way you act or the grades you get.

That alone, will make Smurf forever hate school. Education has been thrown out the door and this just further prooves it. Hell, not only Smurf himself but alot of people he knows, only passed because of drugs in the first place. Being sober, gave them no motivation to do work that will have 0 influence on the job they will have in the future. Where as being on something made them remember the goal "Diploma".

If they have extra(any) money for something like this that's NON school related, there's a big problem. Most schools are already suffering because the lack of funds and Smurf thinks these people need to be drug tested because you'd have to be on something if you think this is right.

The domino effect will prevail and end the end more people will suffer then get helped from this.

[El Calico Loco]

American schools were designed to dumb us down.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm


ECL

[superdupernaut]

I've always found this to be particularly disturbing. Requiring it for sports has been going on here for a while. I guess it's supposed to be some kind of deterrent, but in reality it just prevents the loadies from developing hobbies besides bong construction and video-games. What a great way to help out kids that might have a drug problem.

Testing the general student population, is just down-right Orwellian. I encourage all of us (especially those of us who don't use drugs) to refuse these tests on principal.

[El Calico Loco]

Cally's inner conspiracy theorist wonders if this isn't just conditioning to program the next generation to accept random searches of their person, including their body.


ECL
( If we don't allow this, the terrorists have already won!)

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by AntiAimer

Yeah drug test the students while they have teachers that do not teach, there only there for a paycheck.

How about we take the money going towards drug-testing and put it towards teacher salaries? Why should they give a fuck with the amount of money they are making?

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right?!?!?! teachers make a greater difference than scare tactics

[superdupernaut]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

How about we take the money going towards drug-testing and put it towards teacher salaries? Why should they give a fuck with the amount of money they are making?

They really dont have it all that bad. They average about 50K a year, and if they decide to work summers as well that should kick it up to around 65K.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by superdupernaut

They really dont have it all that bad. They average about 50K a year, and if they decide to work summers as well that should kick it up to around 65K.

Really depends on the area. Here is a good overview.

[superdupernaut]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Really depends on the area. Here is a good overview.

Propaganda from the american federation of teachers, that ought to be objective.

I'm not saying that teachers are raking it in, but they do earn more than the average wage. In states where teachers make less money, everybody else also makes less money.

I disagree with the idea that by paying our teachers more we're going to attract better teachers into the profession.

In general teachers don't teach for the money, the teach cause its what they want to do. That is a good thing. Do you want your kids taught by some guy who teaches because it was a relatively easy degree to earn, with great pay and the summers off?

[Cryptic Concoction]

Send your children at the malleable age of 6 for a 12 year conditioning process by the government.

Don't worry, your children's minds will always be safe in the nurturing hands of the almighty government whilst they administer their holy creed of the cosmos.

Given the firm establishment of the government in the minds of children, it is no surprise that we are mired in an ostensibly inexorable march of collective insanity.

Just remember: Press the Big Button.

[gardis]

I could never understand drug tests at all especially if it ever goes too the random student drug test and not just athletes. At least in America that is really unconstitutional just read the 4th and 5th you'll get it instantly. People who use drugs usually do play in sports and if this is put in place they disappear and it seems like druggies can no longer play sports? not good, another way to discriminate against drug users.

This is actually going on in my old high school and i am ashamed. They are even testing for high amounts of caffeine from what i am told. I am not sure how that can be true... the reason i was given was to prevent people from drinking to many energy drinks.
I was sort of okay with drug testing in the workplace as that was a separate establishment and blah blah blah(even though i hear they get some sort of benefit for testing employees in the form of $$$). This however is downright ridiculous, and is moving us ever closer too losing even more of our rights as citizens. Something needs to be done.

[Cryptic Concoction]

My 10th grade health teacher "taught" my class a few years back that the brain has only a finite supply of serotonin that cannot be replenished over the entire span of a person's life.

She affirmed that using LSD depleted this finite store and that once the store is expended a person can never experience happiness again.

Anyone with a limited understanding of neuroscience could grasp the absurdity of such a proposition.

To borrow the refrain of drug prohibitionists everywhere: save the children.

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crazy and depressing story

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by chillinwill

Sixth through twelfth grade students who actively participate in competitive extra-curricular activities or who voluntarily enroll in the program will be randomly selected for drug testing.

The semi-good news is that this only applies to extra curricular activities. SWIM remembers doing the case before running out of money from H and dropping out of law school, and fortunately the Justices perceive the Constitution as at least protecting the general population of High School students from such an intrusion, although the 4th Amendment is the fastest disappearing Civil Right we have (and almost completely useless at this point, at least compared to it's protection during the 1960s). It was also only decided by 5-4, so maybe this ridiculous policy will be gone some day. It's really sad how both Liberals and Conservatives in the Judicial System are almost equally odious to the Constitution, albiet in different ways.

Here's an article I dug up real quick about it: http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/earls_ussc1.htm

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You're right that both liberals and conservatives are responsible for erosion of civil liberties. But on the flip side, ...

[Evil GIR]

If i had kids and they tried that shit I would disallow it and i would get the kids to refuse any kind of testing no matter what.

[Greenport]

And yet America wonders why its economy is crashing.

They are going to start drug testing students randomly and every single one of them is going to come up positive for marijuana use. Then they're just going to look stupid because they can't kick everybody out.

How is this not an issue to be voted on?!?! This seems like something people should be able to fight against. It's unfair