Dose - Dutch Maxi Papaver Somniferum advise please

[Kryton]

SWIM received 500g of Dutch Maxi Papaver Somniferum pods legally from his local postman today sent from his own country. SWIM opened the box and saw a mix between small, medium and large pods inside. Each pod had around a 1 inch stem attached to it. Swim proceeded to snap off the stems to create a hole and empty the seeds from each pod before crushing up the empty pod material.

SWIM ended up with 3 piles. 250g of seeds, 30g of stems and 220g of pod material.

Regarding the seeds, SWIM described to me that some were grey black looking and others a dark red colour. The red colour seeds seemed to be quite sticky, as were the inside of the pods these came from. SWIM assumes these may actually have a higher M content, would SWIYou agree this is the case or not?

SWIM proceeded to use an Electronic Kruff's Coffee Mill to turn both the stems and the pod material into a sawdust looking powder keeping both separate for now.

SWIM wants to make a tea from this. How much of each different parts of the poppy should SWIM start with? Would 20g of pod matter be a good starting dose to test its strength? SWIM was also thinking of using 250g of seeds in a tea as one dose and 30g of stem sawdust as another dose. SWIM assumes the stem sawdust will be weaker than the pod sawdust, would 30g of stems be enough to feel effects or should SWIM just mix it with the 220g of pod sawdust?

[patourkid]

Depending on swiyour tolerance, 20g of pods could be WAY too much to do all at once!!!! If the pods are of even half decent quality swiyou could be potentially talking about a dose of over a thousand mg. of just Morphine ,plus a whole host of other alkaloids. SWIM would recommend maybe making a batch that size but just starting with a FRACTION of the liquid as an actual starting dose. BE CAREFUL!!! You can always take more......

[samuraigecko]

The martial arts lizard also recommends similar although he is EXTREMELY doubtful that it would contain 1000mg of morphine alone (1000mg+ in combined alkaloids maybe)

An experimental theoretical entity could take small amounts remembering that more can always be taken, but once a dosage is taken it cannot be un-taken.

Especially keeping in mind that if this is a first theoretical time for a hypothetical patient then their tolerance may be quite a lot lower, so lower dosages are always recommended.

Remembering also that a tea has to be digested and the relative alkaloids absorbed into the receptors of the gastrointestinal tract.

A hepatic 2 pass metabolization will also occur, meaning that it will take time to kick in (approx 1 hour but usually about 30 mins in theory).

Hope this has been of theoretical research value.

[Kryton]

SWIM has a tollerance for high quality Kratom and usually requires single doses in excess of 20g Premium Commercial Thai or Malaysian Kratom to at least feel good on it now. SWIM has heard there is a cross tollerance between Kratom and Opiates.

SWIM has also taken 300 mg of codeine and also 250 mg of DHC on different occasions before without any problems. SWIM is looking for a dose containing around 30mg of Morphine as a start and work from there.

SWIM will probably make first Poppy pod tea with 20 g and drink 1/2 of it, wait 1-2 hours and drink the other 1/2 if effects are not what is desired.

SWIM thanks SWIY's for there feedback so far.

[patourkid]

Yeah, SWItour wasn't implying that the tea would be that strong by any means just that it is theoretically possible and even at half of that strength that is a HUGE dose for someone with no tolerance.Switour just doesn't want to see anyone get hurt. Please be safe and have fun!!!

[Kryton]

SWIM brewed 20 g with 2 cups of water mixed with a squeezed lemon in it for 30 minutes. SWIM strained the mush through a mesh coffee filter and brewed the mush again with a fresh cup of water and another smaller lemon. SWIM then mixed the two liquids together and drank 1/2 of it over a 30 minute period.

SWIM did not drink the second half as effects were quite nice as a first attempt with this pod strain. SWIM may have more later on or put it in the fridge and microwave it tomorrow to drink. SWIM probably could have drunk the whole 20g and will attempt a full 20g dose some time in the future. SWIM feels like he is on 150-200mg of codeine but does feel different effects than pure codeine pills as expected.