Drug info - The quality on today's streets

[deargdoom]

Hi there,
My friend was wondering just how good today's ecstasy is. I think he is considering taking some but he told me he was concerned over the quality.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

It varies.Swim has learned MDMA is the most unpredictable drug on earth in terms of quality.A testing kit is definitely a worthwhile purchase.

[Ontherooftops]

Ecstacy (MDMA in pill form) is contaminated by nature in swim's opinion. Anything sold as a pressed pill could contain any number of substances other than MDMA. Most pills contain caffiene, and many contain methamphetamine or amphetamine.

Ecstacydata.org has a wealth of information on the subject, but sadly, has been underfunded in recent years and much of their data is somewhat outdated. He doesn't think that they have data regarding the UK, but in general the scene surrounding E is pretty similar everywhere.

Taking one pill probably won't negatively affect swiy in the long term, but swiy should be aware that they are probably not taking pure MDMA.

Reputation Comments on this post:

ecstactdata.org is not reliable,, people press tabs to resemble good ones

[D-termine]

Ecstacydata.org, send SWIYs pills in before hand, I'm not sure how long testing takes, but that is probably the best way of finding out whats in a pill. other than that having a very trusted friend test your shit is also another way. But even then everyone reacts differently... Know your source I suppose, SWIM has had three very different experiences so far with X, and he is sure his fourth will be just as different as the rest

[Matt The Funk]

It's like playing russian roulette. Except most likely not as dangerous....but you never know. SWIM has gotten lots of different chemicals in his E pills, but lately they seem to be pure.

[raven3davis]

"Ecstasy" is one of the most adulterated substances out there. It can be great, horrible and anything in between.

A test kit is a good place to start but they still have their shortcomings.

[Panthers007]

What would be useful would be a simple spot-test for PMA - by far the most dangerous chemical pawned off as MDMA in pill form.

[deargdoom]

I thank you for all your helpful information. I'm sure my friend will put it to good use. He just asked me if I'd ask you this last question. SWIM says he knows that all drugs can have a different experience on everyone. I think my friend doesn't really care as long as it doesnt do him any long term damage. He was wondering if the adulterants are really dangerous?

[chillinwill]

SWIM has gotten many e pills and the quality of about 75% of them has been absolute shit....SWIM tested some of these and most of the shitty ones tested positive for meth or caffeine....the only time SWIM feels confident that he is getting MDMA is when he gets crystals

[chiggyman]

For the UK at least, the quality of pills is horrific.

Even using pill reports, there are so many coppies it gets you nowhere, the only way to go really is buy a testing kit.

Normally MDMA powder is of higher quality, failing that, befriending a good dealer will get you far as he is less likely to deal you crap.

[ValliYummy]

Originally Posted by chiggyman

For the UK at least, the quality of pills is horrific.

Even using pill reports, there are so many coppies it gets you nowhere, the only way to go really is buy a testing kit.

Normally MDMA powder is of higher quality, failing that, befriending a good dealer will get you far as he is less likely to deal you crap.

SWIM agrees that the quality of pills in the UK has been completely shite since the mid 90's.

[sylenth]

smurf agrees the quality is crap here in sa too. yeah it's all the usual names 007's, armani's, blah blah blah. but it's shit. when smurf was taking to feel any thing the last few times it was 6 rounds at a time in 1 go. and you felt mostly poisened. & searching for mdma is like searching for chickens teeth. non existent.

[sknkv2]

Majority of pills going around Melbourne at the moment contain lots and lots of amphetamines. Luckily, SWIM ran into a good pure batch, the kind that comes around probably once every year or two and bought up plenty for him and his friends.

[BrainMelt]

The pills going around NYC these days are great quality.

[fiveleggedrat]

FL pills are bad. The South US pills are bad.

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stereotype, not needed

[paperclipseller]

The first thing SWIM would say is that if SWIY is concerned about the quality of the drug in terms of myths you may have heard saying that there is heroine etc in pills this will never happen it wouldn't make sense. However, as the other posters point
out there may be other things in the pill MDMA-like drugs e.g. MDA or other stimulents like caffine or cough suppresent there may also be speed or similar drugs in the pills too.

So SWIM would say that while SWIY'll never know what's in them without getting them tested don't worry too much about the myth of them being full of poisions.

[fiveleggedrat]

Meth and H do end up in pills, although H is def. less common.

In the US, Swim has seen idiots pressing pills with crazy fucking drug combos.

Research chems, DXM, H, Meth, Caffeine, Amphetamines (including ADD/ADHD meds) Ephedra, MDMA or MDA if you are lucky, and more he can't recall.

Too many pill makers are morons.

Swim also knows people who swear by DanceSafe's pill tests. If a pill there tests good (Say, Red Smilie Face), even if the testing was 4 years ago, will still do any random "Red Smilies", just because Dancesafe says it was a good pill, even if someone just copied designs of "known good pills". Like really, do people not realize that someone could just COPY a design?!

[Ketamina]

The last time SWIM had any ecstasy she considers 'good' was 7ish years ago, 'Mitsubishi Doublestacks' SWIM thinks. Since then (she does it about 2-3 times a year), it's been hit-or-miss, usually miss. By miss, SWIM means you get some of the 'up' symptoms, but not the euphoria.

SWIM needs to get out more, she might hit on something good.

[sylenth]

smurf also has a seasonal flood of a good type of x they call them 'disco biscuits' they're white. they pretty decent. these are the strongest around. the rest are'nt worth trying like the good ol days. x testing kits are'nt available here so the purity can't be tested easily.

[Wierd Logic]

If you can get pure MDMA crystals, do.

[beena]

SWIMs boyfriend is 13 years older than SWIM and has therefore been taking various substances including MDMA a lot longer than SWIM. He and his friends (who are his age too) all bemoan the quality of ecstasy in the UK today compared to when they were young and first started taking it (when 'e' was in its heyday apparently). SWIM can't help thinking that is is the same thing as when older generations bemoan the quality of music ("oh, it's just noise...not like the music we listened too when we were young"). All SWIM can say is that the ecstasy she has taken has usually (9 times out of 10 at least) been very good and she has enjoyed a nice clean buzz lasting a good few hours.........as long as the drugs work and SWIM is enjoying them then SWIM is not going to worry about whether they were better 10 or even 20 years ago.....and neither should SWIY!

[chiggyman]

Appologies if I sound like a bit of an anti drugs person here (I am not), but ecstasy is one of the greatest marketing scams of all time.

Pump out good pills, so people like a certain logo, then flood the market with replicas made of crap which if your lucky contain a drug that's similar.

The quality is generally terrible because of the dodgy nature of deals, you can hardly get refunds on bad quality stuff, and THE MAJORITY of users don't care/know better (no offense to anyone).

Get testing kits, or at the least use pillreports or similar, if people stop buying the terrible quality ones, hopefully the quality will increase *Crosses fingers*

[tryptamaster]

Swim has done e bout 10 times and only had one verygood patch, pink pistols....

[beena]

SWIM always buys from the same dealer and she knows he is reliable and therefore she doesn't really have a problem with the pills she buys....they're generally good quality most of the time.

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by beena

SWIMs boyfriend is 13 years older than SWIM and has therefore been taking various substances including MDMA a lot longer than SWIM. He and his friends (who are his age too) all bemoan the quality of ecstasy in the UK today compared to when they were young and first started taking it (when 'e' was in its heyday apparently). SWIM can't help thinking that is is the same thing as when older generations bemoan the quality of music ("oh, it's just noise...not like the music we listened too when we were young"). All SWIM can say is that the ecstasy she has taken has usually (9 times out of 10 at least) been very good and she has enjoyed a nice clean buzz lasting a good few hours.........as long as the drugs work and SWIM is enjoying them then SWIM is not going to worry about whether they were better 10 or even 20 years ago.....and neither should SWIY!

smurf has put that theory to the test & where as one x tab made smurf dance the whole night, a newbie smurf the smurfs met & saw have one x tab hardly felt squat & said it was a waste of time. swey is fortunate to feel satisfied from the quality swey has access to.