Drug info - Newbie looking for a little advice!

[tobiasfunke]

Hi there SWIYers.

This is SWIMs first post here at drugs-forum. SWIM has only ever taken mdma to date and is interested in trying ketamine. SWIMs friend has taken it and after reading about it SWIM and his other friends decided this is something they would like to try.

SWIM doesn't take drugs that often and would like to know if mixing alcohol (say 5 pints), mdma (say 200mg) and ketamine would be advisable?

The plan would be to have a few drinks, then take the mdma at a club and then take the ketamine back at SWIM's mate's house at the end of the night. For a first time user what is an advisable amount to give SWIM and his friends a good trip, but not necessarily send them into a hole?

Thanks in advance!

[newgrower]

If swim hadn't taken ketamine before, swim would try ketamine alone first to know its effects before mixing with other substances. How would swiy know if you liked ketamine or not if you've got other things mixed in? If swiy does mix, use small doses at least.

[BlondieUK]

Well, Swim would say try a little bit on your own first, but it's a fairly safe substance as long as you don't take alot, it's not prone to freaking out (ala MDMA etc) either so..

swim would suggest a couple of very small lines, around 30mgs, wait about ten minutes and see how you feel, then administer as you see fit.. be aware that it takes a little while to kick in sometimes, so take it easy, it's all to easy to take too much and get k-hole'd which is fine on your own with some music, but not if you're with people and meant to be social etc =P

[Lettish]

Swim would not consume so much alcohol. Firstly, alcohol + ketamine is a no no, and alcohol + MDMA is not advisable, so alcohol + MDMA + ketamine sounds pretty bad. Yeh have one or two pints over the course of the evening but don't go over the top.

As other people have said, try a small bit of ketamine on its own first, to see if Swiy likes the effects. Many people compare low doses of ketamine to being drunk. As Swiy has read, higher doses will cause CEVs (Closed Eye Visuals) and even higher doses can cause very high dissociation (out of body experience).

If Swiy intends to reach dissociation with ketamine, Swim strongly advises to use MDMA a few hours before. The effects will be amplified and the whole ketamine experience will be 100x better with MDMA in Swiy system.

Swiy sounds like Swiy has done Swiy research, which is excellent.

[Joel90]

I'm in a pretty similar position. SWIM loves his stimulants but ketamine sounds so intruiging. SWIM and a friend want to try it some time soon. Should they be aiming for a K-Hole the first time, or should they just do smaller doses and see if they like the dissasosciativness?

What are the doses for both options?

[podge]

Avoid alcohol with Ketamine ..... the effects do not compliment each other and will most likely make one puke.

Also do not mix Ketamine with MDMA until swiy has at least some experience with Ket on its own. Ket is extremely powerful on its own, when mixed with MDMA only a very small amount is needed. The MDMA tend to keep one slightly grounded in their body, which doesnt really suit swim, he prefers going out of body completely.

[Lettish]

Originally Posted by podge

The MDMA tend to keep one slightly grounded in their body, which doesnt really suit swim, he prefers going out of body completely.

This is different for Swim - without MDMA he will not dissociate. With MDMA he will have the best out of body experiences.

[tinytom]

swim dosent have a great taste for ket alone but after a few tabs of mdma a fat line of K is the cherry on top!