RC photos and physical descriptions

[Dualpower]

This is a query for those of you who know people who have
come across different RC's.



In a perfect world, RC's would be 100% pure and their appearance would
correspond exactly with the description in pikal/<st1:City><st1lace>tikal</st1lace></st1:City>.



Is this the case with RC's you have seen? Trying to be as
specific as possible in terms of colour, consistency (clumped, powdery etc),
homogeneity (a single pure substance, or something different distinct parts)
etc.



Hotlinking to a picture of an RC would be ideal for those of you with digital
cameras. (you can host images @ imageshack.us) Remember, if you're taking a
picture of a light coloured substance, a dark background will give the best
results.

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Why am I so interested?



A friend of mine recently came across a couple of RC's that didn't quite meet
what he expected in terms of their physical appearance. He compared them to
only one or two pictures hosted on Erowid, and was unable to find any other
pictures around the net.



It is possible that there is a variation in physical appearance within a
reasonably pure substance depending on how it was prepared. Perhaps some RC’s
are sold with “filler” chemicals to bulk them up.



So let me start off with my friends description of a couple RC's he happened
across:



<b style="">2-CI[/b]

This sample was pure white and sparkly.It did not bunch into larger
clumps. In fact, it was a consistent sample of very fine "crystal
bristles" ranging from near powder to 1mm in length.



<b style="">5-Meo-Dipt[/b]

This sample was off white - pinkish or orangeish. Much of the sample was made
up of .5mm "flakes". As the bag was tilted, these flakes sparkled each
in turn. This sample contained many irregular clumps. Oddly, it also had in it larger
pink/brown crystal chunks that seemed to be distinctly different from the bulk
of the material. This sample was on sale – perhaps it was the last of a large
batch.





Anyone else have some descriptions or photos of stuff they or their friends may have seen?

[noeticbuzz]

That is fairly similar to the visual description of my 2c-i, almost spot on. I had slight crystal clumpage but very small maybe 2mm tops. I guess you could add that my 2c-i looked 'fluffy' in a very solid hard way, if that makes any sense.

[sunyata]

5-meo-Dipt: Fine, white powder crystals with a slight pink hue, no lumps or flakes,reflected lightthe same way snowdoes when it's really cold(sparkling), "fluffy".


AMT- Slightly yellow crystals,more lumps than 5-meo-Dipt, smells like the fur from a clean dog(I know it sounds weird, but it really does, Alaskan husky, if anyone is curious).


Both compounds taste horrible, the AMT slightly worse than the 5-meo-Dipt. Both dissolve quickly in alcohol, but AMT dissolves slower. Hopethis helps.Edited by: sunyata

[Dualpower]

Refering to chems described in my first post:



2ci & a metric ruler (click to load)





2ci & a penny





5meo-Dipt & a metric ruler





5meo-Dipt & a penny





the 5meo-dipt in these pic's looks more pinkish/orangeish in real life



I should also mention that this is what I was sent by a supplier, these
aren't neccesarily pics of what these chemicals actually look like.
Although said supplier supposedly does have a good reputation.




Edited by: Dualpower

[Dreeker]

how much mgs was the 2ci in the first pic with the ruler?


thanks

[serpent]

buy some scales dreeker,dont judge by eye!

[Dualpower]

"how much mgs was the 2ci in the first pic with the ruler?"



My friend says he just shook some out of the bag in order to take a picture of it.



And serpent is right.



Get some scales, or put the drugs on the shelf.

[Eirias]

In SWIM's experience,

AMT is a fine white to slightly-off white to faint
yellowish-white power that is more powdery than crystalline (almost
like ground-up chalk) and has a pungent DMT-like odor (not identical to
the smell of DMT, but very similar/tryptamine-esque). The more
the AMT is exposed to oxygen/aged, the more it smells/became slightly
off-white and then clumped together into one chunk (1 gram in a tinted
vial).



5-MeO-DIPT in the purest form SWIM has seen is white and
crystalline to slightly tan, and with a subtle tryptamine odor.
SWIM has also seen very pure 5-MeO-DIPT than was rather light-tan/khaki
and in tiny 1mm rod-like/needle-like crystals that "sparkled" like cold
icy snow when rotated in semi-direct light (the "needle-like "crystals
were different than "needle-like" crystals SWIM had seen of 2C-B).



2C-I is fluffy white and sometimes "bright", and rarely
off-white, simliar to 2C-B HCL but a bit less crystalline and more
powdery fluffy. As described earlier in this thread, it reflected
light and "sparkled" a bit, but not in the "snowy" reflective fashion
that 5-MeO-DIPT responded to light and movement.



2C-T-7 is finer than 2C-I in consistency, and less fluffy and
crystalline. It is most often light-tan in SWIM's experience, but
is sometimes (rarely) white that gradually fades to tan over time and
exposure.



5-MeO-DMT is chunky and crystalline like methamphetamine (but
not really in the "shard-like" crystals that meth has), and ranges from
a pale semi-translucent yellowish to an off-whitish/white to
translucent/clear/water-white. It lacks the classic "tryptamine"
odour but has its own distinct smell that is much more subtle than
n,n-DMT or AMT and is kind of "sweet" smelling. The smell is
stronger when the substance is melted/vaporized. Upon being
exposed to open air for longer periods of time, the yellowish colour
increases and it can even become ever-so-slightly reddish-hued.
If the substance reaches this reddish-hued state, it is seemingly
rather oxidized from the atmosphere and will have lost a good deal of
its potency.



DPT HCL is light-tan, often with faint purplish hues, but occasionally and
quite rarely it is whitish to off-white. It sometimes has a very faint
odour most reminiscent of 5-MeO-DMT, but still different. It is
powdery and not very crystalline, but it still reflects light a bit.



IMO, with all RCs the ideal purest forms would be pure white
powders. But with different methods of synthesis/xtalization used
to manufacture the compounds, and different lengths and conditions of
storage, the textures and colours are bound to change from batch to
batch. Even if an RC seems "impure" it could be from extended exposure
to moisture or oxygen/air or hot temps, but is most likely not "cut" or
adulterated with any foreign substance. The liability and
damaging effect this would have on a supplier, should the word get out
that their products were adulterated, is too much to risk IMO for most
companies, and would soon be detected by researchers with access to the
proper testing equipment. SWIM has had RCS in a myriad of
different hues and textures, with often surprising results as to the
apparent subjective purity and potency of each substance. The
only way to know for sure is to get a Mecke or Marquis reagent kit and
do a field test, or send the compound somewhere where its identity can
be accurately verified.

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Edited by: Eirias

[Dualpower]

The
only way to know for sure is to get a Mecke or Marquis reagent kit and
do a field test, or send the compound somewhere where its identity can
be accurately verified.

I checked out these tests on dancesafe.org. They don't seem like they
would be very useful for IDing RC's, but then I don't know the
mechanics of how they work. Would a positive for 2ct7, for instance, be
indicative of a 2c-like substance?



What kind of lab would you send this too?



If only my friend were still in school - he had his own lab with some ridiculously hi-tech mass spectrometer.

[Eirias]

There used to be a lab you could send any substance and have it
verified, and even Sasha Shulgin was performing this service for
awhile. But nowadays your best chance would be to send it to the
labs at DanceSafe or EcstasyData.org if they are up and running, and
act like it's an "Ecstasy" pill that you want to have tested.
They can't/won't test it if you say that it wasn't sold as or
represented as or otherwise "supposed to be" MD(M)A.

The Marquis reagent probably wouldn't be very helpful in all
reality, and even the Mecke reagent is still a bit general in its
analytical capabilities, but it could at least determine if the
substance was either "MD-like" or "2C-like". For indolic
substances like tryptamines, there is a reagent that can be prepared
fairly easily to determine the presence of any indolic compound, and I
believe that Rhodium's site had instructions on how to prepare it.

Another option if you are chemistry-literate would be to do some
type of simple liquid "spot" chromatography, and then compare the
results with the chromatographic guidelines for whatever compound you
were testing.

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Edited by: Eirias

[freakybass]

<b style="">TMA-2[/b]


This sample was off white - pinkish or purplish. Much of the sample was made
up of .2mm "flakes". The flakes didn't sparkled at all. This sample contained many irregular clumps.



TMA-2 & a penny





A 100mg TMA-2 bag





TMA-2 Zoom





Note: The bag was never open before taking the picture.