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Old 09-03-2005, 10:57
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why dont u are interested in mind machine?
I've got one! It's great

This text is copied from www.mindmodulations.com because i'm too lame to write something myself...

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A Mind Machine uses light and sound pulses at specified frequencies to alter the brain wave activity of the user. This is done in order to reach a variety of interesting and beneficial states of consciousness. These powerful tools can help you relax quickly, reach trance and shamanic states, aid in lucid dreaming, and bring your meditation practices to a whole new level! Behind your your closed eyelids you will see a complex kaleidoscope of color, multidimensional layers of fractals, and a variety of dream-like imagery.
I've got the Proteus and Thoughtstream from this website. haven't tried out the Thoughtstream to it's full potential yet, but just Proteus itself is very beneficial, especially for sleeping, relaxing and energizing.

With this device you can literally 'zap' between your states of consciousness. And when being stoned or high on shrooms or so you can get completely blown away in the depths of some sort of "shamanic state"... very powerful!

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Old 09-03-2005, 21:00
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What is Mind Machine? can u give us some details on that for us that have no clue what your talking about? it sounds interesting


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You can download one for free here


It works on me. Whether or not that's placebo I don't know.
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Old 10-03-2005, 02:20
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Someone I once met said he had severe side effects from making his own programs. Does anyone has simular experiences?
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You can download one for free here


It works on me. Whether or not that's placebo I don't know.


So your telling me that if i go there i will have this thing that changes my state of conciousness? or what's up, this whole thread is wicked interesting, but i cant figure it out.. to me it sounds like a Mind Machine or what ever is something u put at your house? maybe i'll go to the link that Alfa posted and see what that is...


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Old 10-03-2005, 18:17
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Euh, what Hyperreal referres to is something completely different than a Mind Machine. A mind machine can 'read' your state of conciousness and enhance it. It gives you feedback and can train you in adjusting your state of mind and it also aids you in learning to be alert and relaxed at the same time for example.


The 'brain wave generator' that Hyperreal referres to lacks the feedback-principles, what is exactly what makes a MM so interesting.





I didn't try to make my own programs, but what severe side effects are you talking of, alfa??
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Old 10-03-2005, 20:57
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will it help induce lucid dreaming, that always intruigues me, had a couple of dreams myself when you realise your dreaming but don't wake up. very groovy dreams.


Really intruigues me all this kind of stuff, love to hear more
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Old 10-03-2005, 23:50
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Euh, what Hyperreal referres to is something completely different than a Mind Machine. A mind machine can 'read' your state of conciousness and enhance it. It gives you feedback and can train you in adjusting your state of mind and it also aids you in learning to be alert and relaxed at the same time for example.


The 'brain wave generator' that Hyperreal referres to lacks the feedback-principles, what is exactly what makes a MM so interesting.





I didn't try to make my own programs, but what severe side effects are you talking of, alfa??

Oh, I see. I wasn't to sure what exactly this 'mind machine' you're talking about was. The BrainWave Generator works by the same method, but doesn't respond to your physiology. I gotta say I'm slightly skeptical about the claim that any machine can 'read your state of consciousness'. From what I understand from that site, it seems to read only your skin conductivity, which is hardly an accurate way of assessing 'state of consciousness'


The main advantage of the brain wave generator is that it's free


What are your experiences with the mind machine?
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Old 10-03-2005, 23:56
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does anyone know where i can find a serial no. that will work for this Brainwave generator?
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The mind machine seems interesting must research it.

Might download that free brianwave generator thing. See what the story is
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Hyperreal says that that Brainwave gen is free? and you need a serial #? i'm confused... i had a link up but i'm more interested in my membership then for posting a link that could get me banned (no warez posts) so go to google search something to the effeft of "brainwave serial no" or something like that


For anyone that has MM How do u hook it up? is it like an EKG? or what is it? I figure that it could be able to tell how tense you were through some very simple ways like the skin, blood pressure, etc and so on but i have never heard of these so i've never had the pleasure of knowing how they work. it seems to make sense,to an extent, how does it go about "changing your conscience" or what ever...


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Old 11-03-2005, 14:56
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Hyperreal says that that Brainwave gen is free? and you need a serial #? i'm confused... i had a link up but i'm more interested in my membership then for posting a link that could get me banned (no warez posts) so go to google search something to the effeft of "brainwave serial no" or something like that


For anyone that has MM How do u hook it up? is it like an EKG? or what is it? I figure that it could be able to tell how tense you were through some very simple ways like the skin, blood pressure, etc and so on but i have never heard of these so i've never had the pleasure of knowing how they work. it seems to make sense,to an extent, how does it go about "changing your conscience" or what ever...


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You don't need a serial number. Just click the link I posted and dowload.


The Mind Machine (from what I understand, I may be misunderstanding something) reads your response by testing skin conductivity. That is to say, it has two wires pressed against your skin a short distance apart and it passes a small electrical current between them and measures how much of the current gets through. When you sweat, the salts in your sweat increase the conductivity of your skin. So basically it just measures, very accuartely, how sweaty you are. The same method is used in lie detectors.


It (supposedly) works by using flashing lights and rhythmic sounds to sync your brain waves to a desired setting.
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Old 11-03-2005, 17:25
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if you want to import specialised programs that people have designed for sole use on the brain wave generator it will not allow you to importwith the free download...was gonna put a link to these programs can't find at mo, but for eg. found a 15min program that runs with audio and visuals called 'Boxed Nirvana' it looks very promising from the reviews people have given it.
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The mm is said to help you with Lucid dreaming, but i havent tried these programs very often; I do have more lucid dreams than before but i'm not sure if that's a result from using the MM.


I use it for falling asleep often however and it helped me a lot when i tried to stop smoking grass. You know; when it's a habit to smoke a joint in the evening in the end you can't sleep without... The MM has these 'falling asleep' programs and they work very good; within 10 minutes you're off. My father had some problems sleeping; we sometimes woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't fall back into sleep; he borrowed my mm and it worked fine for him.


Another program that work greatis the 'Athletic Warm Up'; when i'm feeling a bit washed-out and i want to go to training i put on the MM and after 15 minutes i'm full of energy and ready to go. I don;t think you get alot of'extraenergy' or so, but your state of mind definately changes.





btw; the biofeedback-device uses the skin conductivity; the mind machine itself only 'forces' you a certain brainwave-frequency. It gets interesting when you use both the devices to learn to control your brainwave-frequency and thus your state of conciousness. With the mm came a cd-rom with some games; you can hook up your biofeedback to your computer and play games on your computer with your mind. Thats pretty cool; for example; when you relax at the right time you can let this helicopter land on a platform. I believe there are some more of these examples on the mindmodulations website.
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A guy i've met was deeply into brain machine programming and used the brain machine for a great deal of the day. He was very enthiousiastic, but at the same time confessed thathe messed himself up. He hadsevere ticks and memory loss. He said that they started to appear after using a program he wrote, that sounded drastic to me. Going from delta to alpha, stimulating the strangest combinations of states after another. He was really freakin around with it. He tried to get rid of the effects by reprogramming. He tried to make a program to fix the errors he created. I've checked with his friend to find out if it was the brain machine programming that did this or if it was just the way he was. His friend said he changed extremely since he went into his brain programming thing and that was when the ticks started to appear.


I have used various brain machines with awe of what they can do, but after I heard this I never felt the urge to mess around with programs myself.Edited by: Alfa
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so this is a machine you have in your house right? where do u get them and how much are they? they are legal i assume right?


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They're very illegal, almost as illegal as possible.


this guy once said to me; "I've got this box, and this box is sooo illegal", but this mind machine-thing is even more illegal.
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Tell yah guys what:

Im not open 4 placebo. Ill try this out 4 lucid dreams. I should have one 2night because I had one last night and the night before. If the lucid dream is anymore clearer then sony wega theatre(normal lucid dream 4 me) Ill let u know.

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So how do you go about obtaining this mind machine? just like any other substance that SWIM partakes in huh? well they sound intresting, and maybe i'll check out that free one, but know that just by going to that link your having a spyware file loaded to your computer by the site... you might wanna delete the spyware file.


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They're very illegal, almost as illegal as possible.


this guy once said to me; "I've got this box, and this box is sooo illegal", but this mind machine-thing is even more illegal.
They could be considered illegal in the US under the analog act if they have effects that are substantially similar to illegal drugs. Not for human consumption - to be used only as incense.
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They're very illegal, almost as illegal as possible.


this guy once said to me; "I've got this box, and this box is sooo illegal", but this mind machine-thing is even more illegal.
They could be considered illegal in the US under the analog act if they have effects that are substantially similar to illegal drugs. Not for human consumption - to be used only as incense.


I thought a Mind Machine was something that you hooked up to your body? not something that you took? correct me if i'm wrong here... so of course it's not for human consumption, and it isnt burned as incense...


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I was joking, man
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that's cool hyperreal, i'm not questing your or poking at what you said in anyway... just these MM's sound wicked cool, and i still am a little confused by them... i'd be interested to see one, or see someone using one sometime


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Can someone tell me if Im right here, a few years ago I saw something on a small machine that you do not put on your eyes or ears, but it had 2 rings connected to electrodes that you put on your fingers, and it supposedly instantly zapped you into new levels of conciousness.
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no ther not ileagle in any sense ive done bio-feedback testing at mental hospital as part of my therapy there so i know these are not ileagle and never will be LOL
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