Effects - MDMA + MDA - do you think it has a synergy?

[lucian]

SWIM wants to pick the brains of people who have had experience of taking MDA and MDMA in combination. SWIM expects most people who have ever had an enjoyable ecstasy pill have probably taken the two in combination but would like to hear from those that have combined the substances themselves.

Specifically, SWIM would like to know whether SWIY finds that with MDMA & MDA combined SWIY comes up from the MDA a few minutes prior to the MDMA; whether SWIY finds the combination more euphoric, and that MDA adds a slight psychedelic edge to music which MDMA alone does not quite induce. SWIM also wonders whether SWIY finds the come downs much worse then MDMA alone.

SWIM wonders if other substances such nitrous oxide and LSD reacted differently to the combination of MDMA and MDA, then if the substances had been combined with MDMA or MDA alone. Finally SWIM wonders if taking MDA after MDMA simply cancels most of MDMA’s effects in favour of MDA’s effects.

Thanks

[purplehaiz]

SWIM has sort of had an experience with taking both MDMA and MDA at the same time. SWIM started out his day taking two green clovers (MDMA) and then towards the end of the day, about an hour after the effects wore off, he took one G's up Ho's down (MDA).

He cant tell SWIY for certain what the effects of both at the same exact time would be, but he still knows that during the second roll, his roll was more powerful than if he had just taken that pill without having taken the other two earlier in the day.

SWIM is sorry to say he cannot answer the questions too well, as he does not have many experiences to compare the MDA/MDMA mix to. he rolled once on two G's up Ho's down on his first roll. The two Green Clovers were his second roll, and the addition of the g up ho down later that night was the third roll (if that can be considered a separate roll)

however, swim CAN answer the question about the comedown. SWIM noticed that when he rolled on two MDA pills for his first time, he had relatively no comedown. just a slight headache the next day but no real problem. when he took the two MDMA pills he did have a comedown. he wasnt feeling too sociable and wanted to be left alone. mainly he just felt a bit grumpy, but still nothing terrible. however, after the comedown of the MDA pill that followed up the MDMA that night the comedown was HORRIBLE. SWIM felt very angry and pissed off the next day. he had no patience and felt like ripping a small childs throat out. later he bought some 5-HTP pills which are supposed to replenish serotonin and put the user in a slightly better mood. these worked for about an hour or so, but then they stopped working and SWIM fell back down into a bad mood. but this time instead of anger, he was feeling depressed. VERY depressed. it took swim nearly all he had in him to keep from bursting out in tears in front of his friends.

all in all, mixing the two chemicals leads to a FANTASTIC roll. very entertaining and fun. but it also has an equally powerful comedown that is so bad, SWIM isnt sure it was completely worth it and willl not mix the two for a very long time or until he feels brave enough to try it out again in the distant future

[ColinGibs]

fuck yes it has a synergy

SWIM has experiemented with many combos of mdxxs and such and this is his absolute favorite.

Swim likes to take molly crystals and come up on that and then a little after the peak, take a lil more molly and a Gs up MDA pill or 2.

The synergy is ridiculous. Swim finds that what each drugs lack, they gain by being combined. The trippyness just makes you get into the music even more, the mdma brings in the loveyness that the mda doesn't. And then the molly tapers off at the end and you just afterglow but the mda is still strong

and then you forget everything that is going on and cry because you can't stop being happy 14 hours into the roll haha

ColinGibs added 0 Minutes and 38 Seconds later...

fuck yes it has a synergy

SWIM has experiemented with many combos of mdxxs and such and this is his absolute favorite.

Swim likes to take molly crystals and come up on that and then a little after the peak, take a lil more molly and a Gs up MDA pill or 2.

The synergy is ridiculous. Swim finds that what each drugs lack, they gain by being combined. The trippyness just makes you get into the music even more, the mdma brings in the loveyness that the mda doesn't. And then the molly tapers off at the end and you just afterglow but the mda is still strong

and then you forget everything that is going on and cry because you can't stop being happy 14 hours into the roll haha

[KomodoMK]

Definitely has synergy. Little fishy loves the tripyness that MDA adds to the experience, and as the MDMA wears off towards the end of the night the MDA has given him some wonderful CEVs where he has felt like he was in a computer game. This was on high doses of both.

Little fishy thinks that both drugs combined are extremely positive with practically no negative aspects.

[lucian]

Some responses thanks. SWIM does not use MDMA or the like anymore due to likelihood of damage to teeth! Unfortunately this is its major drawback for SWIM!

SWIM was interested in peoples subjective experiences of MDMA and MDA combinations because of something SWIM noticed SWIM self, but to explain this SWIM needs to tell you SWIM’s history.....

SWIM got caught up in the rave culture of the 90’s and started going clubbing in the mid 90’s using ecstasy a few times a year at the most. It was such an intense enjoyable experience SWIM wanted to have it for as long as SWIM could. Until the millennium SWIM only had access to ecstasy pills, but from then on SWIM gradually switched to MDMA powder. Some pills had been obviously not MDMA or been contaminated with other chemicals, but the vast majority in this early period were okay to good and felt pretty clean.

SWIM had tried MDA a few times but only after SWIM had tried ecstasy, and whilst SWIM’s mates preferred MDA (they went clubbing most weeks) it just didn’t cut it for SWIM. Compared to ecstasy MDA had a heavier more pronounced rush (the best part of it), was more energetic, and just made SWIM feel more ‘fucked’. It also lacked the ‘love’ SWIM got from (good) pills, but more importantly gave SWIM an awful comedown. This was felt midweek in the form of life seeming pointless and without purpose. Pills could do this to SWIM too but never to the same extreme. SWIM found MDA to be trippy in quite a disassociate way. Music sounded pretty much the same but something major was missing from MDA compared to pills.

Then in rolled MDMA powder. At first SWIM thought SWIM wasn’t taking enough but after taking too much and just not remembering anything, needing to piss all the time, or everything seeming really hollow and empty, decided that dose was not the problem. SWIM had been doing for some time so put it down to the fact that the magic had gone. SWIM thinks this can’t be discounted as MDMA powder used to have a more positive effect when SWIM first used it. However SWIM realised the last time SWIM had a truly astounding time was when SWIM had taken pills, or pills/MDMA powder – SWIM had never had the intensity with MDMA powder.

Then come to think of it, even years on, MDMA powder never gave SWIM particularly bad comedowns – not compared to when SWIM took pills. MDMA powder by comparison seemed a little mongy and didn’t have the ‘love’ that was experienced with good pills. And also the come up of MDMA powder compared to pills was different – with MDMA it was quite smooth, but pills had this curious effect of working after about 30 mins, feeling really good until BANG – a suddenly plateau was reached and euphoria increased tenfold. It was like one drug was kicking in 15 mins after to the other one.

Since the pills SWIM took were not tested it is all just conjecture, but it is SWIM’s opinion that most pills that were any good around the mid 90’s till the mid 00’s – at least where SWIM lived – were MDMA / MDA combos. SWIM has had pills with amphetamine and other chemicals it is quite noticeable, but MDMA / MDA would be much more subtle SWIM thinks. It would also be beneficial in terms of the people producing the pills in financial terms since MDA SWIM believes is cheaper to manufacture.

Since SWIM gave up MDMA SWIM has never got test SWIM’s theory but has read various times people’s confusion as to why they used to enjoy pills more than powder, often dismissed by others as they simply like the meth that is in pills. SWIM has done meth and MDMA and didn’t think this was the answer. The last few pills SWIM had didn’t seem to be amphetamine derivatives, but something else, at a push piperazines maybe. SWIM wonders if this phenomenon is even still present.

There was also the curious supposed ‘ephedrine’ and ‘ketamine’ pills which used to be around, often pressed into novelty shapes like lovehearts, which with SWIM having tried both chemicals knows were not in these pills but the list could go on ha ha......Memories.....

[RedBaron]

[QUOTE=ColinGibs;515782]fuck yes it has a synergy

SWIM has experiemented with many combos of mdxxs and such and this is his absolute favorite.

Swim likes to take molly crystals and come up on that and then a little after the peak, take a lil more molly and a Gs up MDA pill or 2.

"The synergy is ridiculous. Swim finds that what each drugs lack, they gain by being combined". The trippyness just makes you get into the music even more, the mdma brings in the loveyness that the mda doesn't. And then the molly tapers off at the end and you just afterglow but the mda is still strong

This is Swims absolute favorite combination...its amazing if it could be described in one word. Like Colin said what each drug lacks they gain being combined, so true.

Swim liked to do E first then as soon as it starts kickin he will drop a couple parachutes of MDA so at the peak of the MDMA some of the other effects start appearing. E you get that energy rush and a general love of everything and everybody around you. MDA you feel lifted still but way more mellow and with some very cool visual effects to go with it.

combining these drugs is a high Swim wishes many people would be able to experience.

like one of his friends described it as a " 5 hour orgasm" --how can you beat that?

[piuiher]

absolutely. MDMA + MDA is the best combo SWIM can think off and would not mind suggesting it to anyone up for some good times