2 c-c or 4 ho-dipt

[storm]

I recently purchased some 4 ho-dipt and some 2 c-c. Does anyone have any experiences with either of these?

[Nagognog2]

I have tried 2-CC up to 45mg and found it disappointing - or worse. Though some have favorable experiences with this molecule, I found it never "took off" and just made me feel wired and sluggish at the same time. A rather toxic feeling. Then my body decided it was time to get rid of it - and proceeded to in the form of flaming runs for the entire next day. The rest of the gram I procured is living in my freezer until such time as someone I know expresses an interest. I sure won't bother again.

[mariecurie]

A few friends of mine tried 2C-C a few times when it was around and
they always described it as very "mellow." In effect they meant that it
wasn't very effective. A friend of mine actually threw away 500mg
because he couldn't find anyone who wanted it. I would recommend
possibly mixing it with another psychedelic to precipitate the effects
a little.



I don't know anyone who has done 4-ho-dipt but I've always heard of it
being rather good. Much shorter than most things that come around, but
so are mushrooms. Incidentally, it is most often compared to mushrooms,
so you might be in for quite a treat.

[yajw]

At the 50mg level, 2C-C was quite an interesting compound. There was
just sheer giddiness expressed by the individuals in the experiment.
The experiment usually seems to last around the 6 hour mark, and it
seemed the lightest body load (if any) on the researchers usually
involved. The visuals seemed to consist of a lot of tracers, and "aura"
effects on other objects and indidivuals. Things were just not right
and that added to the entertainment value of this compound. It seems
quite enjoyable in a social or musical setting. This is a "lighter"
compound when compared to something that can help reach a
"deeper" experience/feeling.



4-HO-DiPT is quite the opposite for some of the team. It seems to have
that characteristic tryptamine feel to it bodywise. Mostly mouth drying
and stomach disturbance. It is quite rapid ~15-20 minutes. At the usual
testing dosage level of ~17-19mg it is a pleasant experience. More
heady than 2C-C in the experiences noted. The longest period noted for
the experience was 3.5 hours, while most were ~3 hours before a easy
return to baseline. Neither have been deeply moving for the team, but
are nice little experiements in thir own right. The 4-HO-DIPT seems to
have more potential, but as of yet the dosage has not been used above
19mg. After the facility is finished relocating, a 25mg experiment will
probably occur to see the potential for a few researchers. Either way,
in our opinion, both are nice without a deep commitment.

[anj0vis]

iprocin is very much psychedelic above 30mg area, some friends have tried it up to 80mg and it is very powerful in higher doses. I was very disappointed of 2c-c, I hardly felt anything at 57mg and still had very negative after effects the next day. Iprocin is in my all-time top-5 psychedelics list.

[allyourbase]

4-OH-MIPT is superior to both in my book. its far more positive than 2 CC and more emmersive and visual than 4 HO DIPT.a 4 HO DIPT experience is hard to explain, its like mushrooms without the visuals (for the most part). 2CC is a fairly decent phenethylamine, it can be positive, negative, or nuetral, typical phenethylamine visuals, not as profound as 2CT21 or 2CT2Edited by: allyourbase

[mariecurie]

Ugh SWIM thought 2C-T-21 was the worst compound of all time. After
dosing you begin to feel nauseous, disoriented, and depressed. Mild
tripping feeling. Come down. The come down wasn't too hard, which was
the compound's only high point.



4-ho-mipt is legendary around here. Don't know many who have tried it,
but it's definitely supposed to be much better than virtually any
research chemical.

[GDxCAT]

It all subjective as to which chemical is the best.

I hear 2cc isnt that great.

I really enjoyed iprocin, and am going to get more. I almost had a ++++
on it. Not very visual but extremely euphoric in a shrooms kind of way.



I hear great things about miprocin. It defintely sounds like its going down in the hall of fame.

[Solidly-here]

4-HO-DiPT ... it's a winner.


I have not tried 2-c-c, but I have a lot of 4-HO experience. One thing about 4-HO ... it is a known quantity.I know that when I take it, there will be no "surprises" (unexpected hallucinations, massive time-warps). This makes it highly suitable for using when doing things in "public" ... I can be there, be clear, be appropriate.


I can take it, even if I didn't sleep too long the night before (something to be avoided for LSD and 5-MeO-DiPT, my only other experiences). If I get even 4 hours of sleep (usually because I am excited about the holiday-to-come), that is enough; its body load is light; its mental load is light. Even if I take a over-sized dose, I can ride along with it.


I usually (about 50% of the time) start with a layer of marijuana. This gives me a base, from which to trip; I use the familiar feelings, and combine them with the twin-edged sword of psychedelics. That way, when I get tired of its crystal-clarity, I can back-off to the usual view of life (not so clear, confusing, two-sided) for a few minutes (a quick vacation) ... then, back on with the show.

[genaro]

I tried all 2Cs (exeptingB, t7 and t4) and 2cc was the one I enjoyed the less: most 2C's feel toxic to me, but 2CC was probably the one that had the most toxic feeling: muscle tension,"electricity spikes"in the nerves endingsand such.


From what I heard, the most interesting 2C's would be 2ct7, 2ce and 2cd for spiritual psychedelic effects, and let's say 2cb for partying (2cc, 2ci, 2ct2, 2ct21beeing less interesting)


4hodipt...mmm all tryptamines are great I think (and much less toxic than phens).Edited by: genaro

[gn2osis]

4-HO-DIPT is really something special, especially with music
euphoria. However, some subjects report too many muscle tremors,
as well as some loose stools during the come-up. 4-HO-MIPT is
cleaner on the body, more potent, and more visual, but lacking a
certain magical euphoria. About 8-12 mg of each taken together
has been found to be a truly wonderful blend with the best aspects of
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[radiometer]

Man, everyone's knocking 2C-C!

My wife and I have found this compound to be almost as interesting as
2C-B, and easier on both body and mind. I don't think it's a heavyweight,
but it seems to make for good, clean tripping fun.

I haven't tasted 4-HO-DiPT, so I can't make any comparison.

[radiometer]

This seems relevant enough to this thread.

SWIM has been sitting on some 4-AcO-DiPT and is curious to taste it.
Anyone care to make any comparisons of this compound to 4-HO-DiPT?

[anj0vis]

iprocetyl feels like just a weaker (~30%) and slower version of iprocin. Still nice, but iprocin has some punch in it.
.. miprocin on the other hand.. as you can see even here, a thread supposed to be about iprocin and 2c-c, collects the award.

[genaro]

suppressed, sorryEdited by: genaro

[QGdoxl]

swim rather enjoys 2c-i alot more than 2c-e would he possibly enjoy the subelty of 2c-c does anyone think?



is the 2c-c euphoric at all? like 2c-i?



swim found 2c-i euphoric and 2c-e to be very introspective (with better
visuals which he liked) but dislikes the introspection and perfers the
euphoric (less visual though)2c-i

[Mezza]

2C-C is a kind of psychedelic for beginners, as all the effects are there but weak and not particulalrly interesting. 4-HO-DIPT is the real deal, fantastic in all respects and one the top psychedelics to get your hands on.

[radiometer]

Sometimes you don't need to have your ego trashed to have a
trancendental experience.

I recently had one of the best psychedelic experiences of my life on 34mg
2c-c (this is a follow-up to my previous post in this thread about my
30mg experience). In some ways, it lived up to the promise that 2c-b has
shown me but never delivered on.

I'm not sure whether or not this compound could do this again for me,
but I am very grateful, and will never scoff at 'lightweight' psychedelics.Edited by: radiometer

[nanobrain]

2C-C is not a lightweight by any means.

i took 24mg 2C-C about 6 months back (my one and only time) and had 3 hours of transcendence, where i left the body and was unexpectedly transported to a place where (from a forthcoming trip report):

"underneath a cloudless endless cobalt sky, the great snow capped mountain behind, lush green valleys around and below, an icy spring from a monolith flows pure, becoming a rushing river in the hazy distance.

a higher, evolved version of myself sits in a relaxed lotus position, meditating on the nature of thought. in this place of supreme clarity, where the very air, while silent is charged with life, there is perfect harmony of the body mind, energy flows through the chakras, unimpeded by the former damage now overcome.

here, a grain of rice is per day is sufficient for daily physical sustenance as breathing is a much more effective form of energy intake, all function is accord. each breath free of pain and stress and fear, this enough in and of itself to provide the essence of the Truth upon which to meditate and how simple the Truth - it is all one, you create that which is real and Free Will means You have reason enough and power to change this Reality."

this was coupled with the worse 2 hour cleansing/detoxyfying pukefest i ever had.

did not expect this at all with the supposedly low dose. 2C's are hardcore medicines, i have found.

infact, i am coming to believe there are no lightweight psychedelics. the mind is an amazing space, and thresholds differ place to place...Edited by: nanobrain

[Mezza]

I stand corrected. Further evidence of the extraordinary variation in experience a single chemical can give to different individuals!

[Eirias]

From Sasha's reports, 2C-C seems to be rather similar in action
to 2C-B, which makes sense from a chemical perspective. Swim has
quite a bit of this RC and will bioassay it soon-- he has 2C-B, 2C-T-7,
and 2C-T-2 to compare to among the 2C's. I know many people who
dislike 2C-T-7, but for Swim it was one of the most intensely
transcendental experiences that he has ever had on psychedelics, on par
with ayahuasca. 2C-T-2 is very nice for "museum" type bioassays,
as is 2C-B. Also, while 2C-B is hailed as some sort of "holy
grail" of the 2,5-dimethoxys, I know many folks whom, when it was in
abundance, disliked it a great deal due to body load and other
phenethylamine-type side effects.

What is rare will be lauded as legendary and thus superior, and
what is available will vary greatly from subject to subject and within
each various set-and-setting.

I am especially interested in the subtle differences between the
4-hydroxy and 4-acetoxy versions of the psilo analogues. Keep in
mind too that even an identical compound from two different sources can
feel very different subjectively due to a myriad of factors.

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Edited by: Eirias