Experiences - is it possible for lsd or other psychedelics to last for days?

[qbarat2]

SWIM would like to know if anyone knows or has heard of any specific psychedelic that can last for a period of approximately 32 hours. SWIM took 1 paper hit of what SWIM believed was lsd, only to spend the next 32 hours thinking SWIM had lost his mind . Could a very high dosage of lsd cause the effects to last longer than usual or does the dosage just increase the intensity but not the duration? SWIM even went to sleep and woke up with the same intensity as before. SWIM has taken lsd many other times but this experience was extremely different, emotionally scarring, and life altering. SWIM's girlfriend also experienced the same results.

SWIM would like to tell the entire story to find out what it was, but according to forum rules asking this is not allowed, so SWIM will limit his question to asking if anyone knows of a psychedelic substance that can last for this length of time (approx. 32 hours), so SWIM can begin his search there?

[Panthers007]

A prolonged reaction to psychedelics, and some psychedelics can indeed last for 24 or more hours, is quite possible. Especially if there is unresolved "baggage" from the trip. This being an emotional, rather than a chemical, reaction.

Best thing to do is to relax and not be overly concerned. These things resolve themselves. The material re-integrates into SWIM's psyche and leaves. And leaves a lesson for SWIM to think about for awhile. It's a normal and natural reaction. It may seem to be Hell to SWIM at the time, but as SWIM comes to understand this as a learning experience - it has spent it's energy and fades.

SWIM might be a bit frazzled for a few days - even a week or two - but unless SWIM is seriously considering harm to self or others, there is no need to involve outside help aside from a friend or two to talk to. It is often amazing to a SWIM what was so concerning is actually so nothing to another. Once SWIM let's the proverbial cat out of the bag - it goes away. Loses it's power. Diffused.

Such is the wonder and awe of a psychedelic sometimes. Eat. Sleep. Rest. Relax & Allow.

Check in later, tell us how SWIM is doing. Thanks!

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Good advice.

[Lobsang]

Could a very high dosage of lsd cause the effects to last longer than usual or does the dosage just increase the intensity but not the duration?

SWIMs experience in SWIM is that high doses do not extend duration that much

SWIM even went to sleep and woke up with the same intensity as before. SWIM has taken lsd many other times but this experience was extremely different, emotionally scarring, and life altering.

Well it sounds to SWIM that SWIy may not have had LSD since SWIy is familiar with it and would know the difference. And 2 people had the same reaction. There are other things that can be on a blotter and last a lot longer than acid. But SWIm has never taken them just been told about them. Like DOx compounds SWIM thinks. But SWIM is no expert in this. It could be a prolonged reaction to acid but it sounds suspicious to SWIM of something else.

[mickenator]

Swims first ever lsd experience lasted for 14 hours. Swim didn't mind it during the night it only became a problem for swim at work the next day as swim dad was also swims boss so everytime swim saw him swim ran and hid LOL.

[Panthers007]

We were talking about a prolonged reaction to a psychedelic. Speculation regards what molecule was involved is futile.

Back on topic, please.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by qbarat2

SWIM will limit his question to asking if anyone knows of a psychedelic substance that can last for this length of time (approx. 32 hours), so SWIM can begin his search there?

Originally Posted by Nargyle

Cant DOx last a lot longer than LSD? Maybe up to a day or so? swim has never tried it, but he found this on Pihkal:

DOM
STP; 2,5-DIMETHOXY-4-METHYLAMPHETAMINE
DURATION: 14 - 20 h.

Originally Posted by Panthers007

We were talking about a prolonged reaction to a psychedelic. Speculation regards what molecule was involved is futile.

Back on topic, please.

Wasn't qbarat2 asking if anyone knew of another substance that can last longer than LSD?

Either way, as Panthers007 stated, one likely cause of this effect is that it is psychological in nature.

I post frequently on a marijuana-based forum, offering help to beings that decided to consume marijuana. Even with marijuana, we get claims regarding certain beings that remain high for days, even weeks at a time.

Simply put, the body of an individual will attempt to process and metabolize all of whatever chemical it ingests. Then it will be excreted. This occurs with all drugs we know of to date but at different speeds. Any lingering effects are psychological in nature - resulting from expectations, experiences, reactions, stress, anxiety, etc.

[Lobsang]

Any lingering effects are psychological in nature - resulting from expectations, experiences, reactions, stress, anxiety, etc.

Well Not absolutely. LSD for example may be a cascade reaction which is initiated with the drug and continues despite the druug being eliminated. Alos people are resistent to the effects of LSD if they have taken it recently. Indicating a cellular change. Also HPPD exists and must involve cellular change long term. So LSD and other similar drugs can cause physiological changes in the function of neurons for durations longer than the drug is in the system. Much much longer. Perhaps changing membrane permiability or other things.

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good point ;)

[Richi]

Very true, I should have re-worded my statement, but we speak of slightly different topics.

With regard to the 'trip', it lasts so long as the chemical is present or the effects of the chemical are taking place.

However, someone blowing K day in day out will loose touch with reality all together. A large dose of datura can send someone into delirium permanently as well. In these cases drugs are damaging areas if the brain, as a toxin for example, or at least changing the way certain neural circuits function as you described.

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Very True...

[Panthers007]

Richi: This we don't know. When a person has a psychological change from a psychedelic, it does not mean a chemical reaction has taken place. It is, quite profoundly, a change in the perspective of the person. Things that were in hiding come to life in their full glory. The assimilation of this material might be chemical - but it takes one back to a fundamental conundrum: Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

Usually the change requires a shift in perspective often called "spiritual" in nature. A re-learning to co-exist with that which seems paradoxical in nature. Allowed to run it's course, these usually turn out for the best.

[qbarat2]

Thank you very much to everyone for all of your input, it has been very helpful. SWIM has definately had a psychological change because of this. However SWIM must say the difference between this experience and all of the other drug experiences SWIM has had was night and day. SWIM has taken mdma around 200 times (over a period of 8 years, avg dose 4-5 pills), and lsd on 4 other occasions and never having any problems other than typical short term side-effects and a slightly bad trip once. This was definately different. SWIM must note however the possibility of an interaction of another substance which SWIM did not mention before due to SWIM thinking it was irrelavant and all others telling him it was irrelevant and wanting to specifically answer a single question. About 3-4 hours prior to taking the dose, SWIM (and gf) took 2 red capsules of T2N (Formerly Trip 2 Night, now sold as red dawn). This was out of curiosity and SWIM had never taken this before, which SWIM now regrets mixing due to not knowing for sure what caused the intense trip. Since SWIM was not experiencing any reactions after 3-4 hours, SWIM decided to take 1 paper hit of lsd.

Whether it was caused by another chemical, or the combination, or just plain fear of not knowing what was happening, SWIM does not know for sure.

The onset was about 1 hour, and SWIM threw up (so did SWIM's gf) right before the trip came on really hard. SWIM knew something was different right away within the first hour and kept questioning friends and gf on whether he needed help. SWIM thought he was going to die from this experience and felt he had been poisoned because he had never had something come on so strong so fast. SWIM was ready to call an ambulance but friends there kept SWIM calm and controlled. The visuals were insane, pointy, very fast moving lines and snake figures, random circle figures that would come and go, colors inverting, very sharp and pronounced morphing of objects and figures but kinda like looking through a kaleidoscope but still able to see everything in front of you. SWIM also started to feel pains specifically on his lips and could barely even feel his tongue or mouth. SWIM then started to get feelings like he was watching his life go to waste because of this night and his brain was permanently damaged now and "looped" this way in slow motion, almost like SWIM was in hell reliving the same horrible experience slowly over and over. Then SWIM felt like he was on a quest or a mission to "come back" and was being "led" back to safety slowly. Every second felt like one page unfolding from a book with a billion pages and no end in sight. Like SWIM had entered a time warp and had to get through this experience one brutal and agonizing page at a time.

SWIM thinks this is what finally did him in. The visuals eventually got less intense (but by no means weak) as daylight came and the feelings of insanity continued. SWIM then went to sleep and woke up only to have the same visuals, paranoia, and even worse feelings of insanity and brain damage (due to it not going away or getting weaker). This continued the rest of the day. (The total experience was Friday night to Sunday early morning). SWIM still didn't feel normal for about a week but at least his mind was back by Sunday. The strangest part was that SWIM remembers the first part of the night backwards as if it happened in reverse chronological order and was watching it unfold like a played back movie. During the "movie" it felt like someone was pressing Stop and Play over and over and this is why SWIM felt like each second was a page in an endless book of a billion pages.

SWIM now sometimes experiences feelings of unreality (like everything is fake) and SWIM has had 2 panic attacks completely sober, while thinking about the night. (SWIM has never had any history of mental problems). SWIM sometimes gets very real feelings like he is still "stuck" in that other dimension or still in that "loop" reliving hell again, watching himself go crazy, and this is the "trigger" that causes the panic attacks. To sum things up SWIM looked and felt RETARDED and never wants to experience that again.

The feelings have very slowly started to go away over the past year. (It has been about a year since this happened). I think SWIM could have handled it had he known what he was taking, but not knowing what was truly happening to SWIM is what SWIM thinks is the cause of this psychological breakdown. Indeed this may be why the effects lasted so long as suggested by panthers007, or it could have been a DOx, no one will ever know.

SWIM never knew how powerful a subtance could be that even thinking about it, sober, a year later could produce such feelings.

From this single experience though, it's as if the whole world was put into this crazy new perspective.

The mind is a very mysterious and powerful thing.

SWIM is doing better now.

Thanks for everyone's input.

[Lobsang]

SWIM must note however the possibility of an interaction of another substance which SWIM did not mention before due to SWIM thinking it was irrelavant and all others telling him it was irrelevant and wanting to specifically answer a single question. About 3-4 hours prior to taking the dose, SWIM (and gf) took 2 red capsules of T2N (Formerly Trip 2 Night, now sold as red dawn). This was out of curiosity and SWIM had never taken this before, which SWIM now regrets mixing due to not knowing for sure what caused the intense trip. Since SWIM was not experiencing any reactions after 3-4 hours, SWIM decided to take 1 paper hit of lsd.

And again we see surface Trip2Night (Red Dawn). Yes our friend Indian Bromine causing yet another problem. This cocktail probubly still contains DXM and some other herbal stimulants. The stuff is bad enough on it's own as no one can be sure what is in it. But then to combine it with another drug. Yowzaaaaaaa!

The trip2night Indian Bromine Shuffle strikes again!:eek :

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Thanks for reiterating

[Panthers007]

Yes. As Lobsang knows only to well - Red Dawn et al "Indian Bromine" is actually dextromethorphan. Or a chemical cousin. Mixed with a major psychedelic - LSD25 or DOx - can indeed trigger reactions that are wholly out of the norm.

Glad to hear SWIM is healing from the encounter with eternity and the dreaded Mucus-Beast who guards the doors of Purgatory. I would expect an expeditious and full recovery in short order.

Thank you for keeping us informed!

[qbarat2]

SWIM read some of your other posts. This sounds all too familiar lol... Sorry to hear SWIM went through this, but glad to find another SWIM who has been there too...

Originally Posted by Lobsang

The trip2night Indian Bromine Shuffle strikes again!:eek :

[Panthers007]

"Misery Loves Company."