Drug info - Cocaine quality in the UK

[Me-and-my-monkey]

SWIM used to do a lot of coke in the 90s. Quality was variable, but when it was good it was very good. Some really euphoric experiences.

Things got worse around 2000 and they have stayed pretty bad. SWIM gave up about two or three years ago, frustrated with poor quality and LONG comedowns caused by impurities.

Aboout two years ago, having had a break for a while, SWIM bought a few grams for old times sake. It was poor, and SWIM felt ill for a week afterwards. So, SWIM gave up for good. For good that is until SWIMS phone rang last week and an old friend said that he had found a new supplier and its "just like the good old days".

So, SWIM thought he or she would give it a go and bought a bit.

So was it as good as the good old days? No, it was as good as the better stuff during the bad days. The feeling SWIM gets with poor coke is little of the euphoria but lots of "wiredness". Really poor coke doesn't make one feel happy, just wired. This stuff had a bit of euphoria about it, but not significant. It was also necessary to take a lot of it to get that feeling.

Back in the day, even after an evening's use, a relatively small line would bring back the chilled out euphoria.

One noticeable thing, though, was that SWIM found the comedown not too bad. This suggested that the coke was cut (hence the quantities required) but with a benign cut.

So where does that leave us? Well, back in the 90s things were good sometimes, but far from all the time. Over the past ten years things have been pretty much rubbish. This stuff "just like the good old days" is what SWIM would have considered "passable" ten years ago. SWIM understands why people try coke and don't then see the point - It's because most of what they are getting simply is not coke, and some adulterants that make it "a bit coke-like" give the user some nasty side effects.

So, SWIM has pretty much decided that unless a trip to Bolivia is on the cards, this is the end of the road. Cocaine is a fantastic drug, and SWIM used to enjoy it greatly, but SWIM does not believe that enough of the good stuff exists in the UK to make its pursuit worthwhile.

What seems to have happened is that Cocaine as a sold product has changed. SWIM suggests that 95% of the coke sold in the UK is no better than passable, and maybe 80% of it is dreadful. But because the punter knows no better, they think its OK (this is well known amongst dealers - people get used to what they get) and people want cheap, not quality (surprisingly). SWIM has had it from many people and the general standard is poor, yet the responses to the Drugs Forum survey suggest that all respondents find it satisfactory or good? It may, of course, be the case that these people really are getting better stuff than SWIM. But more likely its that they don't have anything to compare it with.

The quality of any product is determined by the manufacturer and to some extent its distributors. So, where in the chain is this poor quality introduced? SWIM believes that it leaves the manufacturer unadulterated. These guys work in large volumes, so it makes no sense for them to pack it out, it would just make their lives harder. So, in this case, the distributors are the most likely culprits for interefering, and SWIM believes that in the life of a gram of "cocaine" it will have been messed with two or three times. This is less common at street level, SWIM believes, because by the time its got to the street it is too weak to sustain a further cut. At street level, reduced measures is where the profit lies.

So does the manufacturer of this product care that SWIM has stopped using its product? Doubtful. For every SWIM there is a college student into whose budget cocaines now fits. Big spenders buying expensive quality product have been replaced by a greater number of people buying lesser product. SWIM doubts that the factories even notice the difference.

Me and my Monkey.

Reputation Comments on this post:

A silly-ass rant!

[Woodman]

Read this:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27089

There is a reason that we have sticky threads.
You might want to read through them before asking something that's already been answered.

[Me-and-my-monkey]

Woodman

I asked nothing. I commented. My post had nothing whatever to do with purification of cocaine.

Your response is inappropriate and confrontational.

Me and my Monkey.

[epote]

i find the post of me and my monkey excelent.

Its what SWIM experiences too though at a purely "gut feeling" kind of way, cocaine as SWIM has used it has no way near the atributes comented by actuall experienced users.

The question is, how does SWIM get up the product distribution line to where the product is as clean as possible, i mean what kind of personality and financial atributes must my cat have to do that?

[tooblue4you]

SWIM wishes he was around in the 80s to try some of the good stuff. He knows not alot different as he only been doing coke since the late 90s. But even since then he has noticed a decline in quality. Although if he buys in bulk with a couple of other SWIYs he gets the good stuff but has to but a large quantity.

Most of the dial a gram dealers arent worth the time of day.

[Spare Chaynge]

From swims studies in belgium he began to understand that even the best coke in europe is trash. Consider the logistics of shipping cocaine from south america all the way to europe. Swim lives or use to live in coaine heaven(gross) Florida,texas at least as far as the states go this is where the best location is for receiving bulk quanitity of good quality stuff from south america.

[BumpBump]

Swim has scored coke in various places in the uk over the last year.
Swim has gone to cook some up and these days it usualy wont disolve fully in water, and is what apears to be in a base already. Swim says this stuff will turn into oily crack without adding any bicarb...
Swim knows this problem is not just in manchester as he has scored in liverpool, leeds, and wales... all the same kinda stuff

Swim only get a half way hit off it when snorting as its taking so long to absorb into swims nose

it realy fucks swim off when he wants to hit it as it just wont turn back even with citric

[Benga]

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[big mick]

you think its shit in the uk you try the horse shit they sell in australia

[wafcwarrior]

Originally Posted by BumpBump

Swim has scored coke in various places in the uk over the last year.
Swim has gone to cook some up and these days it usualy wont disolve fully in water, and is what apears to be in a base already. Swim says this stuff will turn into oily crack without adding any bicarb...
Swim knows this problem is not just in manchester as he has scored in liverpool, leeds, and wales... all the same kinda stuff

Swim only get a half way hit off it when snorting as its taking so long to absorb into swims nose

it realy fucks swim off when he wants to hit it as it just wont turn back even with citric

SWIM tells me the coke in manchester is barely stronger than Pro-Plus tablets, SWIM lives close to manchester (wigan) and his high up the distribution ladder from close connections,

Referring to epote now if SWIY is good enough friends with a big dealer you will not need a higher finance as he will be happy enough to sell SWIY a few gram at a cheaper price than street price, As SWIM buys a gram sometimes of high quality cocaine and has tried it in alot of countries and SWIM would not mind making a trip over the pond down to texas in america to try over there.

[Solinari]

Originally Posted by BumpBump

Swim has scored coke in various places in the uk over the last year.
Swim has gone to cook some up and these days it usualy wont disolve fully in water, and is what apears to be in a base already. Swim says this stuff will turn into oily crack without adding any bicarb...
Swim knows this problem is not just in manchester as he has scored in liverpool, leeds, and wales... all the same kinda stuff

Swim only get a half way hit off it when snorting as its taking so long to absorb into swims nose

it realy fucks swim off when he wants to hit it as it just wont turn back even with citric

My fiend noticed this as well, what the fuck is this? He assumed that it might be something to do with bicarb being used to cut it, it's the only thing that makes sense.

[wafcwarrior]

SWIM had some stuff that made his nose runny as hell one time not normal and wasnt good coke what was with that what was the active cut to make it do that?

[Benga]

whatever it might be, if can't be acetone washed swiyou's still in trouble...

[kenbo]

SWIM like SWIM&MM started back in the nineties experimenting with cocaine with many a great euphoric experience and has watched the quality drop frighteningly until it's at (in SWIM opinion) it's worst now! SWIM hadn't bothered buying any for months because there was no euphoria when SWIM had tried it the past few times yet the after effects were terrible SWIM was suffering for days. However for good old time sake SWIM bought a bit at the weekend but used lejunks purification technique only to be left with an 1/8th!! of what SWIM had started with. Even at that what was left was not a very smooth ride, still quite jittery. The quality in the UK is appalling at the moment! I don't even know how they can call it cocaine! Waste of cash in SWIM's opinion.

[yaba]

In The Netherlands you can get the same quality as Peru, Colombia etc... AT least 10 years ago someone could..

Swim thinks the coke is of excellent quality in The Netherlands it wasen't the same in London..

[kenbo]

SWIM is so disappointed every time he hears people up here saying much the same thing but SWIM can almost, and with utmost respect, guarantee it won't be what it used to be or what some of the other pet elephants on here talk of abroad and what was about in the 80's - 90's. SWIM has friends who buy in reasonable bulk and talk of top quality stuff - it's top quality crap SWIthem buy. SWIM used to take the stuff over the weekend and not feel the need to go running for a vodka within seconds of taking it to calm down. If SWIM is happy taking the stuff he's getting then more power to you! enjoy it - I think SWIM is getting old and bitter. LOL. SWIM reads about the stuff the other pet elephants on here can extract them selves and it sounds like a completely different product? When SWIM first started buying it over 15 years ago it had a pearescent look to it like SWIM have seen on here in pics - now it's just white powder or repressed blocks. SWIM back washed some as per lejunks purification and it was more pearlescent - SWIM hadn't seen that for a long time.

[BoxStar]

The purity in the UK is pretty low compared to the European average and it’s much more expensive, most of it gets imported from the Netherlands and then heavily cut to make profit since it’s really hard to get it into the country and has a high seizure rate.

Contrary to popular think worse and longer comedowns are not caused by impurities unless these cutting agents are toxic (very, very rare), like kerosene or other left-over solvents which smell strongly and would make anyone sick in minutes, anyone who has tried a “basuco” in south america (unrefined coca paste) knows what “toxic” impurities mean.

Nearly all cutting agents are inactive (which the exception of local anesthetics, which can be bad for the heart in high doses), including other alkaloids in the coca plant, the fact is the more SWIY uses the worse the come down will get due neurotransmitter depletion and down-regulation of their receptors, the down regulation is mostly responsible for the huge crash experienced with long term use or after a binge.

Coke can lose its pleasurable effects completely and eventually (for SWIM at least) the crash is mostly gone too since coke no longer does any effect, of course snorting is another world comparing to using over 400 syringes per month on average for quite a long time.

Everyone remembers the first times w/o comedown and very euphoric feeling and associates it with high quality; SWIM has tested coke in many countries, from shitty product to stuff right from manufacturing lab and comedowns correlate to tolerance and hence quantity used and for how long but in essence it’s the same with varying intensity.

In just a month slamming coke can change from an extreme flash to barely having effects with the exact same product and can produce extremely intense crashes that seem to last forever due down-regulation of dopamine, norepinephrine and serotonin receptors, this effect happens with all administration routes but slower, this effect also happens with pharmaceutical stimulants which are not cut.

However the purer the cocaine the greater the absorption rate gets due the lack of crap clogging the nostrils and the effects are more intense, more intense effects mean more intense crash due the brain attempting to restore base levels, “The Higher You Get The Farthest You Fall”.

[kenbo]

SWIM remembers back before stopping for a couple of years noticing buying stuff that although having what SWIM then "thought" (I know this isn't the case now) was all the characteristics of good cocaine - in a lump, same smell as before etc. but had no effect at all after taking!!. SWIM bought some more like this from the guy and sure enough same problemo - went back to the dealer told him it was crap (this guy was SWIM's friend so that was cool) The dealer said he had had no complaints off anyone else? The following week he called to say he had found a lump of old stuff at the back of his hiding hole and asked SWIM to try it - looked similar, smelled similar SWIM was sure it was the new crap stuff - tried it - woohoo felt proper nice! SWIM hadn't just lost his mojo it was definitely the actual stuff.

[BumpBump]

yeh BoxStar.. couldnt have put it better!
Swim got a gram last night when he was out of a local dealer in manc. Swim had a line but was too much hastle to do in the club.
When swim got home he inspected his purchase and gave it a test in disolving!
Again swim found that it would not disolve in water.... so swim added some acetic acid and heat and it still remaind a base.. But when swim sees crack base it has a yellow like colour to it when in oil... this is a clear oil with no yellow... It wont turn back even with an acid present.
So now most coke swim seems to buy in the uk is not suitable for much! Its a base, with added adulterants so its not good to snort or smoke, and wont even disolve with an acid and water for a hit.
The aperance and smell of this cocaine is quite good, and indeed it is cocaine but not cocaine HCI