Drug info - Unknown chemical on blotter - amazing experience, what was it?

[jtb]

So.. my friend got a lot of what he thought was LSD at bonnaroo a few weeks ago. he didn't get a full sheet, about half of one, so i couldn't exactly tell what the art was on the blotter, but it looked kind of like a rainbow heart on a black background with grayish green thorns sticking out of it. It also had this orange blobs surrounding it.

swim says this is defintely not lsd.

swim is trying to figure out what it is and nothing is matching up. swim said the sheet was perforated and looked about the same size and thickness and texture as a hit of lsd, maybe slightly larger but not significantly.

swim took two hits and it starting coming up fast only after about 20 minutes. some of swims friends took 1 hit and they had a strong experience too.

swim says the visuals were amazing and there was a very nice body buzz. swim has never done phenethlamines except mdma, but it felt like one. swim says the description for 2c-b seemed to match the experience well, but thinks there is no way it could be active on blotter. swim says the experience wasn't so much in his head like lsd, but very directed towards communicating and connecting with others. swim felt like he had a lot of control over it even though the trip was very strong and very visually overwhelming.

swim says the peak lasted for about 6 hours after a 30 min come up and there were about 3 or 4 hours of lighter affects. the whole experience seemed to last about 12 hours. actually about 11 hours after taking it swim was still experiencing slight affects but was easily able to sleep. swim had an appetite too right after the peak was trailing off.

5-meo-amt seems to be the most likely candidate but swim nor any of his friends experienced any nausea or negative body load which swim thought was very characteristic for 5 meo amt.

swim doesn't think it is DOx because it came on so fast and didn't last that incredibly long.

swim is at a complete loss as to what this was. does anybody have any ideas?

[jux]

honestly, i dont think anyone is going to be able to id a substance based on a vague description.

two words....test kit.....only way you can get a real id of whats on the blotter (assuming you still have some left)

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[illuminati boy]

No one will be able to tell you with any certainty what is/was on that blotter without access to some laboratory tools and the actual material in question. This is true for all other blotter as well. Even given the description above, there is nothing there to suggest any particular compound. It could well be LSD, it could well be a DOx compound, it could well have been simply paper and a pure placebo response!

Simply put, you do not know and others here do not know either. People can (and do) have different reactions to the same drug at different times. LSD (and other drugs) can have various related compounds present with it depending on how the synthesis was done that could well impact the overall experience. With psychedelic drugs often the effects can be strongly related to the emotional dynamics present at the time of ingestion. If you doubt this, read the literature on LSD psychotherapy where persons were given massive doses with little effect or had profound experiences with only the slightest trace of the drug.

If I had to hazard any guess (which is just that nothing more than a random guess), it would probably be that the compound was anything but 5-MeO-αMT as there is no mention above of grueling body-load, vomiting, or diarrhea.

IB

[jtb]

thanks for the replies

i guess what i was hoping for ultimately is that somebody else got ahold of blotter paper that looked the same but they were told what it was

and illum while i respect your sentiment about the variables involving the psychological response to certain chemicals, i also believe that there is definitely some objectiveness to the spirit of certain substances, and swim has taken lsd many times and knows for certain that it was not lsd, or at least if it was lsd it was combined with a large proportion of something else.

I also believe that given the results repeated time and time again by the ingestion of certain chemicals, it is possible to make deductions and possibly arrive at an answer or at least narrow down the possibilities for an answer by the process of elimination. For instance, in all that I have read, I have never heard of anybody ingesting DOB and beginning to feel the effects within 20 minutes (especially when they ate a couple of hours prior). Also, as you mentioned, it seems almost everybody that takes 5-meo-amt experiences at least some significant degree of body load. Swim and his 4 other friends that took it didn't experience any. I think, as you said, it seems likely that this rules out 5-meo-amt. And especially when you mention it possibly being a placebo effect I feel like you are taking your notions too far. The experience was STRONG, very strong.

For instance, if somebody told me they took a pressed tablet that had a swan on it and within 30 minutes to an hour stared to experience very pleasurable tactile sensations combined with a sense of empathy and energy and a tense jaw and a desire to hop around and dance and hug people that lasted for about 2 or 3 hours, i think i could tell them with confidence that they ingested mdxx. I don't think this would be a random assumption.

So I guess I am hoping that somebody who has experience with many different research chemicals can make some deductions based on some of the significant characteristics of swims experience: the lack of nausea, the quick come up, the duration, the fact that it was on a normal sized piece of blotter paper that can only hold a small amount of liquid, and swims assertion that it definitely felt very different than lsd. swim doesn't know enough about the differences between DOx chemicals, so maybe there is one that is active in dosages under 2mg and doesn't last longer than 12 hours and comes up fast. I haven't been able to figure that out.

jux: what kind of testing kit would you recommend? I was under the impression swim would probably have to send it off to a lab.

[jux]

there is a kit called "ez test".... get the "complete" and you can test for many different substances. google for suppliers.

hope that helps!

[sarbanes]

its too bad...I bet a knowlegable person could rule in/out a number of things with the limited info you provided, and provide several (best guess) candidates. remember, maybe its none of the above, but some highly potent analog of something else. you never know what your geting when you buy drugs on the street....one of the biggest reasons SWIM never buys drugs. for SWIM, its just his tramadol and company Rx.

[Songcycle67]

SWIM:

It could even be a substance not listed in the literature. Shulgin gave a talk a few years ago about the future of psychedelics and according to him, there are many compounds being synthesized (most notably in China) and sent into circulation with virtually no identification, not even so much as a name. Due to the nature of clandestine chemistry and the amount of danger that goes along with even so much as publishing the effects and synthesis of a synthetic trypt/phenethylamine that there could be many chemicals floating around that we don't even know about.

Long live the drug war and its long-standing effort to disrupt the intelligent discussion of such substances openly and in public forums. God bless America and may we all rot our brains on chemicals we don't even know the names of.


Edit: With this in mind, and since one must use the resources available to one in order to fight the ignorance so staunchly promoted by drug enforcement officials: no chemical that SWIM knows about fits the profile that you mentioned. All the X-fly's and DOx published in the literature last forever and have long come-ups. Assuming no bitter taste; it does, however, fit the description of one analogue of LSD-25 known to be circulated in certain circles: ALD-52 (Orange Sunshine). The only problem with this theory is the fact that ALD-52 would most definitely degrade into LSD EXTREMELY quickly on blotter if left exposed to the elements and also few people can distinguish between LSD and ALD. Most-likely SWIY would've just thought it an extremely intense (visually), but extremely clean and vivid version of LSD.

There is also ETH-LAD, which comes on in about 20 minutes and does fit the profile quite accurately, but difficulty of synthesis and extreme sensitivity to degradation under the elements would not lend themselves to either synthesis for a mass market or blotting onto paper.

We should all try to help as much as we can in figuring these things out. We're all we got, folks.

[cosmicruler]

could have been any RC or psychedelic.

Bromodragonfly,DOxx etc etc etc...use test kit as suggested and/or get new supplier.

[Songcycle67]

It couldn't have been ANY RC or psychedelic. Only a select few that we know of are potent enough to blot--many having extremely different and identifiable effects from others. For example, Shulgin synthed a tryptamine that only affected hearing. He claims that ingestion of this chemical leads to instant tone deafness due to the way that it bends frequencies: but it has no other notable effects. No visuals, no buzz of any kind. Still a psychedelic. Just because a chemical is in the same class as another chemical doesn't mean that they effect you in the same way. Psychedelic/Tryptamine/Phenethylamine are extremely broad terms.

I agree that test kits are the only surefire way to know, but there are many identifiable characteristics that can weed out certain drugs.

It could, however, be an analogue of any RC or psychedelic--or a new compound altogether. Increasing potency, after all, is simply a matter of replacing and adding molecules in certain places to pre-existing chemical structures--be they synthetic or natural.

[cosmicruler]

sorry didnt realise swiys were gunna be pedantic.
it could be any RC etc that could fit onto the size of blotter consumed.

is that better.?

swims point is NO1 on this forum can answer this question with any confidence and these same type of questions that keep coming up should be CLOSED.

[Songcycle67]

You're still off a little. May need to refine your statement some more. Sorry to be pedantic and all, but as stated before there are only a select few that both fit on a blotter (very rare for any chemical) and fit the description of action that was outlined in the first post (even more rare).

As you can see we've already weeded out several DOx, a 5-methoxy and an analogue. If the swimmer had never taken LSD or a phenethylamine before, I would agree that speculation would be futile. I mean, c'mon, you can rule out certain things just by asking if it was bitter or not.

[trptamene]

This is all speculation. If SWIY doesn't know what drug they took, it is very unlikely we will be able to tell you.

Most "I tood a drug what was it?" threads are taboo tho I do like seeing some of the stuff ppl run across and pondering this thread should be closed.