Opinions - trying E for first time

[purplehaiz]

so SWIM has not done too many drugs...just marijuana and salvia. He is looking to expand the things he has tried, not for the hell of doing drugs regularly, but just to have the experience at least once. anyway, SWIM is most interested in E and has done some research on the topic, but is not yet completely satisfied with the information he has found. does anyone here perhaps have any words of wisdom for him besides all of the copied and pasted info on just about every other website? possibly how to handle certain situations or whatnot?

i do not know if weight is a factor in dosage but if it is, then he is about 130 pounds. whenever he tries E, he is not sure exactly what the conditions will be but it will either be in a friends basement with a few good friends or at a small house party. no clubs.

any info you can give would be greatly appreciated!

purplehaiz added 30 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

also forgot to mention that SWIM currently takes an add medication called Vyvanse. he doesnt know if this will have any sort of reaction with the E and whether or not he should just plan not to take it they day he rolls

[Nargyle]

Well, the lizard's advice would be toonly take half and when it's peaking take the other half if needed, mdma is a very powerful and wonderful substance, but it's always good to be careful, if your pet can get his hands on a testing kit that's always a plus, since there are a lot of adulterated pills around, and regarding his medication, well, vyvanse is in the amphetamine family so it could be a good idea not to take it that day, it's not very good to mix uppers with uppers

[Flyers2008]

Does SWIY already have the E pill, if so, what kind is it? What is the stamp, color, etc. IF SWIY knows those things, there are many sites where he may find people who used the same kind and how they were, and can also find out if they were found in the smae area of the country and if they were tested what exactly was in it, how much MDMA, or MDA, or Amphentimine or caffine or even if it was fake or just all caffine or amphentimine.

[Nargyle]

SWIY shouldn't rely on the aspect of a pill, pills can look exactly the same on the outside and yet have completely different ingredients, the only way to be sure of what the lizard takes is using a testing kit

[Flyers2008]

You are completley right, but without a testing kit, this would be the best way I could think of, thats also why I wrote SWIY should find a site where they tell you for example, they may say... these were green smiley faces found in chicago in may of '08, SWIM might be inclined to think that those pills came from the same batch.

[purplehaiz]

no, unfortunately SWIM does not yet actually have anything. he just thinks that trying E would make for a great summer experience, but whatever may happen for him is still merely in the planning stages.

[Nargyle]

Nice to see that swiy is not in a rush, so it would be wise to get a testing kit so he knows that the first time he tries E it will be MD

[Flyers2008]

Well then use our advice, if you can get a test kit or somehow get it tested like my man said, def do so, and at the very least, do as I said. I see you are from Jersey, is that South Jersey, cause I'm from right outside Philly, SWIM used to be really into the E game, so feel free to PM me.

[purplehaiz]

Ill tell SWIM to follow this advice...

in the meantime is there anything else you can add that seems to be more constant between different pills?

[Flyers2008]

A site like this is what SWIM is talking about although it seems they stopped testing in 05, but this is the type of site i mean...http://www.ecstasydata.org/ Also, SWIM reccomends you go to erowid.org and click on their Ecstasy link and you will find all kinds of info on the drug and testing kits and all.

[Nargyle]

I think everyone should try to get a testing kit, I mean save that money SWIY was going to use for a couple pills and spend it on a kit, they're really cheap and well worth the money

[Panthers007]

Dammit! This is why this material (and others) should be re-legalized. If one had certified clean material, then writing out a dosage chart would be a piece of proverbial cake.

Until this day comes - the very people the government is entrusted to protect and take care of is forcing us all to play darts-in-the-dark. With no recourse to fall back on should the ACME Chemical Corp. throw PMA in the MDMA bottle. Nuts!

[purplehaiz]

hmm...well, SWIM finally had his first experience with E the other day and told me all about it. he says it was so great, i dont even know where to begin. SWIM does not want to do this drug or his trip the injustice of putting it into words, but i will try to explain his experience anyway.

the day started by looking around for it of course. SWIM's drug connections did not have any E themselves, so they had to go to the dealers of SWIM's dealers. in short, SWIM drove around Patterson, NJ looking for a very ghetto dealer. they had to drive hours around patterson (not a very fun or safe thing for a white kid to do, mind you) but in the end they had picked up this dealer SWIM's friends knew and they got a bunch of white lady-g's. according to that ecstasy-data website, those lady-g's are only MDA not MDMA, and if that is the case, SWIM is truly excited for the day he gets to try full on MDMA because he already had the best day of his life on MDA.

after driving around patterson all day, SWIM and his other "rolling buddies" got home around 5:30. Swim thought it was pretty late to start rolling since E can last a very long time, but after all he went through that day, he wasnt about to save that E for another time. he popped 1 double stack white lady. a few of his friends were already starting to roll at this point because they took their E on the car ride home. about 15 minutes later, SWIMS friends convinced him that he should take 1 more roll. his friends were all experienced E-tards so SWIM ttook the advice. he downed one more double stack and then played a round of super smash brothers in his friends basement. after 1 battle that lasted about 10 minutes, SWIM was suprised to be starting to feel the effects slightly already.

it was only about 30-45 minutes after SWIM took the E and he started to get lightheaded. he went over to the couch to prepare for any more effects that might start to come on. he sat on the couch and looked up toward the cieling. it had this strange grainy texture on it, and all of a sudden, the texture started moving around. its hard to describe, but in other words, SWIM was just slightly tripping. then he looked down at this rug on the floor with rose floral patterns all over it. the roses started to dance a little bit. SWIM was snapped out of this strangeness when his friend whos house it was told him to lift up his shirt for a second (not in a gay way). he had a very fuzzy stuffed animal and started rubbing it on swims stomach. swim had never felt this kind of softness in his life. for those of you who roll and never had the chance to cuddle up with a beany baby, my friend suggests you get one, because that is what they were invented for.

they sat in the basement for about 15 minutes afterward, before they got up and drove to town. now SWIM cant stress this enough. BEST IDEA EVER. rolling was meant to be done in public places, not just with a few friends in a secluded space. the more people you meet, the better, so long as they arent parents or cops.

as for events that happened out in the middle of town, SWIM remembers the things that happened very well and did not forget anything. he does not remember the exact order or general time they happened at though. he did sum up many events for me.
running around while rolling face is possibly the most exhiliarating thing one can do. SWIY should try it next time they roll. SWIM and friends also encountered many people they recognized from school. they werent great friends with these people but they were all on friendly terms and hung out for a little while. over the course of the day SWIM and his rolling buddies encountered the same groups of people several times and it was actually quite fun. SWIM also met LOTS of new people who were friends with his rolling buddies. SWIM wanted nothing more than to meet as many new people as possible, because he just had his overwhelming feeling of friendliness and confidense in himself. SWIM made an effort to keep hydrated throughout the day even though he didnt feel too thirsty. he noticed he was sweating profusely so he made the effort to always have a waterbottle and sip on it occasionally. SWIM also took a vitamin C pill at some point which helped his roll along quite nicely.

so things went all fine and dandy meeting people and such. some of them were rolling, some were stoned, and a few were actually sober, but all were in great spirits (or at least swim thinks, it may have just seemed that way because he was in such a great mood)

near the end of the day around 10:30 or 11 SWIM and 2 of his friends who were rolling with him found a field and rolled in the grass some. this other guy was there who wasnt rolling face with them but instead he was rolling them a supreme blunt. they went into a dark corner of the field near some trees and in the shadows they smoked. apparently the combination of E and good weed = trippy shit.

somewhere around 5 minutes after smoking SWIM started feeling some trippy shit going on like the beginning of his roll, but 100X stronger. he was seeing the real world with cartoon shit superimposed on top of it. there was a point where SWIM was driving on a cartoon highway, but he wasnt even in a car! he was just sitting at a park bench, prfectly still. for those of you who have seen the cheesing episode of south park, the cartoons looked like that, just without the boobs everywhere. SWIM got to hallucinating pretty hard, and at first was a little scared, but soon got over it. it wasnt scary in the fact that things were out to get him, its just that SWIM has never done LSD or other things that make you trip like that, and the feeling was new to him. once he got used to these hallucinations he was fine.

when swim got home that night, his parents were luckily asleep so he didnt have to worry about acting normal or hiding his eyes. the hallucinations were toning down alot and he was mostly just feeling the normal rolling feeling of the E again. SWIM was still feelin good but he wished he had someone to have contact with again. being alone made SWIM feel a bit restless. had he been peaking at that point, he probably would have been desperate enough to converse with inanimate objects in his home. he actually considered it a few times but in the end was not rolling hard enough to do it anymore.

the next day comedown was not too bad at all. SWIM was slightly wired all day even though he only had about 2 hours of sleep, he had a very mild headache for most of the day, and his jaw was still clenching up some. that was pretty much it though. no depression or crankiness. swim now feels like he is a happier person in general and had a revelation from E. while SWIM has always been a very bitter cynical person who was quick to judge others based on any immediate faults he saw with them, this is no longer the case. SWIM now sees that people are generally good. of course there is still bad in people but not so much as he once thought. he is no longer going to judge so easily.

SWIM had this one moment in the field at night when he just sat there and meditated on life. for a minute, everything and nothing in the world was happening at once, right there in front of him. there could be nothing bad happening in the world because nothing bad was happening in front of him. this is very hard to explain, and in text it seems impossible to convey this so ill just say this.

next time SWIY rolls, when it is that time of day right after the sun sets and it is just light enough to make out someones sillouhette, go to a nice serene place like the middle of a field. sit there for a minute or 2 (2 was all SWIM needed because it felt like 10) and just reflect. take in everything. the sights, the noises of the people in the distance, and the ambient sounds of nature. bring them all together into one. then, like magic, the whole world is in front of you, unable to hide anything because you can see all.

(btw, sorry for the very long post)

purplehaiz added 28 Minutes and 20 Seconds later...

one last thing to add to this seemingly endless post:

SWIM would like to thank SWIn, SWIp, SWIf, and all the other people on this forum that post useful info often in this and other topics in the E forum. SWIM found the advice found in this forum to be very helpful and appreciates the friendly nature of all those experienced users here for taking the time to give advice to those looking to change their views on life or just have a fun time rolling.

so..THANK YOU

Reputation Comments on this post:

nice trip report

[chiggyman]

Nice to you had a good first time.

With so many bunk pills go round it's becoming annoyingly often that a first trip is not a good report, more a question "Why didn't I roll?"

Glad to hear it.

[Panthers007]

First off - an admonishment for SWIM's lab-rat: If Squeaky ever considers driving on a psychotropic substance again, I hope a meteorite hits his car and flattens it beforehand.

The experience sounds quite similar to MDA - not MDMA. Tell Squeaky he hasn't yet gotten the "roll" he was looking forward to. Rejoice! Squeaky is an MDMA-Virgin still. Two things stand out that cause Bongo Research, Ltd. to reach this conclusion: 1. Visual aspects. MDMA rarely, except in cases of taking too much, causes imagery to manifest. 2. Length of time before effects are felt, and lack of a distinct "Peak-Experience." MDMA has a sharp maximum effect (rolling) that usually is noted at around the 45 minute mark. MDA takes 30 to 45 minutes to even become notable.

As a side note: Squeaky got lucky, perhaps, in finding this pill listed with MDA being noted as the main molecule. But those tests are often extremely inaccurate. Do not, in the future, let Squeaky regard such as gospel. Finding pure crystal should be on Squeaky's to-do list. As well as an accurate low-milligram scale or balance.