san pedro mescaline content

[el bandito]

I was interested in extracting pure mescaline from a san pedro cacti, and i was curious if anyone could give me an estimate on about how many grams of mescaline could be extracted from say a 2ft cutting?

[san.pedro]

um a 2foot cutting is about one trip depending on the potintcy..a way to test that is to cut a small chunk out and suck on it depeding how bitter it is...bitter the better. secoundly...the extration process is....welll not that simple..a very common fourm is juice..cut it all up blend with water...boil then strian drink...this is foul...or u can make powder out of it...now eating powder is DISGUSTING. i dont recommnd it what u do recommend is jello..i have yet to try it but plan to for my next trip. take your powderd cacti and mix it in with a packet of yellow mix and jus swallow the hunks of jello...gl yo

[noeticbuzz]

San Pedro mescaline content is somewhere around 0.3-1.2%.


Personally I don't think you would get anywhere near a gram from your cutting and it wouldn't be worth it.


Make some really gross san pedro sludge tea instead.

[indjuwandjuwa]

Go for about 1% of the fresh weight on avarge. so between 300 and 350 grams of fresh cactus.


Better to have a light trip then to have a HELL OF A BAD TRIP!


Remember in the beginning it's fun,..... when the fun starts to wear off, it's time to get serious. And if you can not be serious, the cactus will give you that bad trip.


tripping should be a experience to learn & growfrom. This is somthing that can not me stressed enough. be please carefull when dosing cacti. Sotake it easy!

[san.pedro]

i agree to some point but i think its much much easier to have a bad trip on mushrooms instead of mescalin

[bman1]

Swim thinks one should plant and root the cutting. Then take a cutting from it (after it is a good size)do the extraction figure in you losses (probally 40% loss of product) then you know the potency of your cacti and can cantinue taking cuttings off the same one with the same potency. ALL cacti are different and potency is also unless it is from the cactus.


From a 2foot cutting swim would not even think one would gett a gram depending on how wide it iswhich makes a huge differece in the size and 2ft is not much to beging with anyways.They say 20kg of dried torch yeilds approx. 12grams of product torch is stated as usally twice as potent as pedro so you might be able to get an estimate from this. Also making syurp is part ofdoing an extraction so if you have experince with it you canalso get an estimate of how much it is before and after the extraction doing an extraction is the best way to know potency of your cacti

[indjuwandjuwa]

"much easier to have a bad trip on mushrooms instead of mescalin"


May I ask where you got that information from San.Pedro? I think it is just as easy to flip on both of them. Could be that you are right. But i would not want to find out, that is why I take it easy. better be safe then sorry. Is it scientifically proven?


I would think that because shroomies cause less of a bodyload (stress) and are easier metabolized by the body ( liver ) thus shorter trip that it is a much safer visionary aid then cacti.The reason psychosis occurs is because of psychological stress.


One thing I know for sure is that on Mesc it is much easier to OD then psylocibin. Muschrooms you can eat 10 times the required dose and you will not die. With mescalin if you do that, it will likely be fatal. I do not remember the Lethal Dose per mg/kg for mesc, but I know that going over 10000 mg mesc ( not calculating the sulfate, citric acidorthe HCl attached ) can have very very bad consequences, possibly fatal.


I will look it up what the psylocibin LD and Mesc LD dose is and report back.Edited by: indjuwandjuwa

[indjuwandjuwa]

http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/sanpedro.htm


note the dosage section.



<TABLE cellSpacing=5 border=3>
<T>
<TR>
<TD width="40%">rodent LD-50 (lethal dose)</TD>
<TD>370 mg/kg (~20,000 mg)</TD></TR></T></TABLE>


LD-50 means the lowestdose to kill 50% of the rodents. doesnt mean that if you double that dose that you kill all the rodents. it also doesnt mean that the same mg/kg dose applies to humans. huimans could be more or less sensitive then rodents. FDA (food and drug administartion )does not allow HUMAN LD-50 testing,... kinda logical.
<BLOCKQUOTE>


PSILOCYBIN
Psilocybin is the major psychoactive agent in psilocybian mushrooms. The main difference between psilocybin and psilocin is their relative stabilities...psilocin is much more easily oxidized, so deteriorates much more quickly than psilocybin. The following chart shows oral dosages of psilocybin in mg.
<DIV align=center>
<CENTER>
<TABLE width="40%" border=1>
<T>
<TR>
<TH align=left width="20%">Threshold </TH>
<TH align=middle width="20%">2 mg</TH></TR>
<TR>
<TH align=left>Light </TH>
<TH align=middle>2 - 4 mg</TH></TR>
<TR>
<TH align=left>Medium </TH>
<TH align=middle>4 - 8 mg</TH></TR>
<TR>
<TH align=left>Strong </TH>
<TH align=middle>8 - 20 mg</TH></TR>
<TR>
<TH align=left>Heavy </TH>
<TH align=middle>20 + mg</TH></TR>
<TR>
<TH align=left>LD? (Lethal Dose*) </TH>
<TH align=middle>250 mg/kg or ~17 g</TH></TR></T></TABLE></CENTER></DIV>


Onset (when held in mouth) : 15 minutes
Duration : 2 - 6 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 8 hours


* LD? = The dose at which some mice died in the experiment. [Leo Hollister at Palo Alto Veterans Hospital, 1961] </BLOCKQUOTE>

[indjuwandjuwa]

http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/mushrooms.htm


more good info on the LD50

[Eirias]

Yeah I'd like to see
someone even attempt to ingest 15-20+ grams of mescaline. I do
not recall ever seeing a single human fatality from "overdose" from
either psiliocin or mescaline. Besides, it's "set and setting",
not relative toxicity, that determines whether or not the subject is
prone toward experiencing a "bad trip". <!--
var SymRealOnLoad;
var SymReal;

Sym()
{
window.open = SymWinOpen;
if(SymReal != null)
SymReal();
}

SymOnLoad()
{
if(SymRealOnLoad != null)
SymRealOnLoad();
window.open = SymRealWinOpen;
SymReal = window.;
window. = Sym;
}

SymRealOnLoad = window.onload;
window.onload = SymOnLoad;

//-->

[el bandito]

The only danger that I know of from ingesting mescaline and having it be fatal is a guy i used to know who died from vomiting in his sleeping and choking to death, but I am pretty sure he had more than just mescaline in his stomache at the time, but as far as bad trips, I have been lucky and Ive never once had a bad trip on mushrooms and Ive eaten over a half-ounce dried.

[fatal]

if the mescaline content of this cactus was around 1 percent then 300 grams would yield 3 grams of mescaline. apparently the percentage is likely closer to .1%

[pistol pete]

3 inch in diameter
12 ft in lenght
from minium of 200 to around 500
average ussually 350 would be a good estimate

pistol pete added 15 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

what kinda exraction do u plan on doing i suppose that also makes a quite a diffrence in ur end result of mass material