Combinations - Mescaline and Mushrooms....

[podge]

Any swiys tried mixing Mescaline with Psilocybin or even Psilocylin ?

Swim has a decent array of fungus and cactus available to him, swim is looking for any idea's on what would work best together strain and dosage wise. Swim may also have a small tryptamine tolerance going into it but thinks an MAOI is too risky for this combo.

Any idea's are welcome ?

[Dr. Awesome]

Swim has wanted to try this combo as well. While he doesnt really know much when it comes to strains of shrooms he would probably go with a tricho cactus (San Pedro, Peruvian, etc) instead of Peyote as that could be a really intense trip. Unless thats what swiy is going for. Like I said, swim has been interested in this combo too so if swiy tries it out let everyone know

[Lobsang]

SWIM senses something not right about doing this for SWIM personally. Too many alkaloids in cactus and mushrooms for SWIM to consider for himself. But if SWIy wants to try it everyone must complete their Karma.

[Richi]

A friend of mine would try it in the future, but he has not yet completed experimenting with mescaline on it's own to begin combining it with other drugs.

An MAOI is too risky in my friends opinion, at least for the first time. Advise him to try a moderate-low dose of each to see how they combine. One he is comfortable, step it up....

The drugs are of the same class, and would most definitely yield an intense and probably qualitatively different trip then either separate. Better or worse... only the person you speak of will know...

[Spare Chaynge]

what is the maoi in this situation. "An MAOI is too risky in my friends opinion, at least for the first time".

Swim had some interesting and pleasant experiences with San Pedro, 2c-e and mdma. combos.
Mescaline is an amazing drug its best done by itself. That being said swim does not know how the mushroom combo would be.

Spare Chaynge added 0 Minutes and 58 Seconds later...

never mind Swim read closer

[podge]

Swims got plans to go ahead with this in about a week. He has prepared a 12 inch san pedro, he has yet to choose his strain of mushroom but he's thinking roughly 30g's fresh cubensis probably drank in tea about 3 or 4 into the mescaline. No MAOI. Will report back if all goes according to plan.

[Lobsang]

The drugs are of the same class, and would most definitely yield an intense and probably qualitatively different trip then either separate. Better or worse... only the person you speak of will know...

Well while the drugs are similar they do have profoundly different effects on different areas of the brain. You can dee my post on Form Constants and mescaline. So mixing the two would be interesting. But SWIM would not do it as for SWIM. SWIM would be looking for the effects to becomer more defined of a molecule not less. But that is just SWIM's opinion.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Lobsang

Well while the drugs are similar they do have profoundly different effects on different areas of the brain. You can dee my post on Form Constants and mescaline. So mixing the two would be interesting. But SWIM would not do it as for SWIM. SWIM would be looking for the effects to becomer more defined of a molecule not less. But that is just SWIM's opinion.

A friend of mine would not say they have 'profoundly different effects on different areas of the brain'. They are both hallucinogens of the psychedelic group, and they both stimulate various 5-HT receptors.

For this reason, my friend would combine them more readily and with a greater confidence in the safety of his health than hallucinogens of different groups (such as a psychedelic with a deliriant) or drugs of different classes (such as a stimulant with a depressant).

[Lobsang]

Originally Posted by Richi

A friend of mine would not say they have 'profoundly different effects on different areas of the brain'. They are both hallucinogens of the psychedelic group, and they both stimulate various 5-HT receptors.

For this reason, my friend would combine them more readily and with a greater confidence in the safety of his health than hallucinogens of different groups (such as a psychedelic with a deliriant) or drugs of different classes (such as a stimulant with a depressant).

Well I agree with your friend partially. But in terms of the effects of mescaline and mushroom the experience is profoundly different. And simply because they act on similar receptors does not mean that the result is the same. The effects of mescaline and mushrooms ahve some commonalities. But they are profoundly different in many ways. Mescaline is much much more optical/geometric and psiolcybin. Obviously mescaline effects the brain very very differently tahn the others. Two things can work in a similar fashion but produce markedly different results.

[Geechee]

SWIM has often thought about this too. SWIM has lately been leaving behind LSD because SWIM doesn't like all the synthetics in it. And SWIM actually prefers organic psychedelics. SWIM will probably never take acid again. SWIM is actually intrigues by this and also has reasonable access to that amazing fungus and is thinking about starting with a mixture of San Pedro and shrooms.

[Lobsang]

SWIM has often thought about this too. SWIM has lately been leaving behind LSD because SWIM doesn't like all the synthetics in it.

Well there really are not a bunch of synthetics in LSD. It is just a molecule. And one could make the arguement that it is more natural to the body than other things because of the very small dose that it requires and the postulated cascade reaction that it causes.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Lobsang

And one could make the arguement that it is more natural to the body than other things because of the very small dose that it requires and the postulated cascade reaction that it causes.

I disagree. By definition, a natural compound is one that is found in nature.

[Lobsang]

Originally Posted by Richi

I disagree. By definition, a natural compound is one that is found in nature.

Well I did not say the molecule was natural. I simply said that it may be more natural to the body than putting in a bunch of alkaloids that cause different side effects. I mean just because a molecule is found in nature does not mean it is natural to the body or will have more of a natural effect than a synthetic. So I mean like I said the effect on the body. Not the molecule it'self. Lsd for example is less toxic than mescaline but mescaline is natural and LSD is not. And then when we move into cacti we see a lot of side effects compared to LSD.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Lobsang

Well I did not say the molecule was natural. I simply said that it may be more natural to the body than putting in a bunch of alkaloids that cause different side effects. I mean just because a molecule is found in nature does not mean it is natural to the body or will have more of a natural effect than a synthetic.

How can a synthetic molecule have natural effects on a human body?

'Synthetic' is the antonym of 'natural'.

Like I stated, a natural compound, which occurs in nature, evokes natural effects (positive, neutral, and negative alike) on the human body.

They are opposites.

Lsd for example is less toxic than mescaline but mescaline is natural and LSD is not.

This is irrelevant, even if it is true. There are plenty of natural toxins that are more deadly then other synthetics or natural substances.

And then when we move into cacti we see a lot of side effects compared to LSD.

These side effects are 'natural'.

[Lobsang]

How can a synthetic molecule have natural effects on a human body?

Well it can key into receptors and copy a natural molecule producing a response that is natural. The body simply does not know if the molecule is natural or synthetic. That's all.

Like I stated, a natural compound, which occurs in nature, evokes natural effects (positive, neutral, and negative alike) on the human body.

The body does not know the difference between a natural and synthetic molecule if the two molecules are identical. Or the molecule is so close to the key that normally fits the receptor.

We may be talking about two different things.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Lobsang

The body does not know the difference between a natural and synthetic molecule if the two molecules are identical. Or the molecule is so close to the key that normally fits the receptor.

Irrelevant. If the two molecules are identical, then they are the same molecule. Water can be synthesized, yet it occurs in nature, so we call it natural.

We may be talking about two different things.

I think so... back to topic...

[Geechee]

Swim is just saying he doesn't take LSD anymore because of the side affects. You must understand that SWIM has taken an inconceivable amount of LSD (at least 5 to start every trip) since he was 16 and is, at tis moment, suprised that he isn't permafried.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Geechee

Swim is just saying he doesn't take LSD anymore because of the side affects. You must understand that SWIM has taken an inconceivable amount of LSD (at least 5 to start every trip) since he was 16 and is, at tis moment, suprised that he isn't permafried.

Is this relative to other sentients taking the same LSD?

It could have been that the sentient you speak of is getting weak blotters.

[Geechee]

Definately not. Besides, SWIM usually only takes gel tabs or liquid dropped on sweet tarts. SWIM has had nights that have made him question if he was still tripping or if he was "stuck". SWIM can usually still taste the bitterness teh next day. But SWIM also has a love for excess and likes losing touch with the superficial realm that we use words to describe as "reality".

[Lobsang]

Well personally SWIM thinks that the blotter cannt be that strong. Because 5 of what SWIM considers acceptable blotter would send one beyond the "clear light" pretty fast. To the land of fractured broken fragments of the self.

[Spare Chaynge]

swim agrees five hits of what goes around in the crowd swim use to hang about would be insane and result in a journey that few would want to watch or let alone experience first hand.

[Geechee]

Originally Posted by Spare Chaynge

swim agrees five hits of what goes around in the crowd swim use to hang about would be insane and result in a journey that few would want to watch or let alone experience first hand.

SWIY hit the nail on the head there. If one takes psychedelics just for a buzz and a little laugh, then one would be passive in his/her consumption.

However, SWIM's reason for psychedelic utilization is to temporarily lose touch with the tangible, explainable world. If one is scared of what things would be retreived in the dragnet of their sub-conscious then one would not want to take as much or would seek a batch that lacks potency. However, SWIM understands that it is all in his mind and is not scared to go on long "journeys". Besides, in SWIM's humble opinion, that's the point of taking these substances. To lose touch with the self.

SWIM would rather be safe than sorry. As in, SWIM wants to break the barriers of our social and mental axioms because SWIM is inquisitive by nature. SWIM wants to make sure he reaches his figurative destination with plenty of "gas" to spare when he goes on trips.

SWIM is aware that most lack the mental strength, or for lack of a better term, balls, to get lost in the universe and leave their ego at home. SWIM is aware that some of his practices sound excessive and unbelievable, but SWIM has no reason to lie.

The tabs that circulate among SWIM's circle are inconceivable. And that's what SWIM wants. As some of SWIM's associates will so eloquently put it, "that deadman shit". If it's not going to make you question the axiom we call "reality', then what is the point in taking it?

But that's just how SWIM sees it. And SWIM is but 1 of 6.7 billion on this rock floating through space.

[Spare Chaynge]

I understand that kind of thought. Swim use to love having his ego crushed and going through all that. Unfortunately swim turned to things less mind expanding and because of this he made poor decisions which led to him having to refrain from all drugs and alcohol for a long time..
swim misses the days of the psychedelics.

Swim would always trip alone to spare people from seeing something that they could no possibly understand not being in that mind set.
For some reason swim always got more out of low doses.

[Dr. Awesome]

Swim is with swiGeechee as well, for swim its not completely about getting that high and being goofy(although these are great side effects lol).

Originally Posted by Spare Chaynge

Swim would always trip alone to spare people from seeing something that they could no possibly understand not being in that mind set.

Swim really likes tripping alone although for him its because he likes to be alone with his thoughts. His last mescaline trip he spent the majority of it laying on his couch in the dark with his iPod on. And it was amazing.

Along those lines, and back to the main point of the thread lol, swim will be consuming 40g of San Pedro and an 1/8 of shrooms. Probably tomorrow night. Should be interesting

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome

Along those lines, and back to the main point of the thread lol, swim will be consuming 40g of San Pedro and an 1/8 of shrooms. Probably tomorrow night. Should be interesting

Excellent, if you hear from this person again, post back on how it went!